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PAKISTAN PROCEEDS WITH NEW MINIATURE SUBMARINE PROGRAM

Saifullah Sani

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In its 2015-2016 yearbook, the Pakistan Ministry of Defence Production (MoDP) listed the development and construction of a miniature submarine as a target for 2016-2017.

This may be related to talks in 2016 between the Pakistan Navy and the Turkish defence vendor Savunma Teknolojileri Mühendislik ve Ticaret A.Ş. (STM) for the joint development of a mini-submarine to supplant the Pakistan Navy’s aging Cosmos MG110 (SX756/W) mini-submarines.

The Cosmos MG110 displaces 119 tons submerged. It can carry eight special operation forces (SOF) divers and two swimmer delivery vehicles (SDV). The MG110s were bought in the 1980s to replace the SX404 mini-submarines, which had been deployed in 1971 against India.

According to MSI Turkish Defence Review, Pakistan and STM had studied the feasibility of upgrading the MG110s, but both sides concluded that this was not an affordable route.

Subsequently, STM proposed “designing a submarine platform from scratch,” which – if inked – would be considered a “different and strategic” collaborative effort between the two countries.

Turkish shipbuilder Yonca-Onuk is proposing its Underwater Offensive Team boat (i.e. SDV).

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The MoDP listing the mini-SSK as a program could indicate that Pakistan is proceeding with STM’s offer. If so, this would be STM’s fourth naval project for Pakistan, following the Pakistan Navy Fleet Tanker, Agosta-90B submarine upgrade program and MILGEM Ada corvettes.

Until recently, STM’s naval designs have been surface ships of various kinds, such as frigates, corvettes, tankers and patrol boats. At the 2017 International Defence Industry Fair, which took place in Istanbul during May 9-12, STM showcased its design proposal – i.e. x-TS1700 – for the Turkish Navy’s National Submarine/Milli Denizaltı (MILDEN). STM seems to be building a sub-surface portfolio.

It is not known how Pakistan will configure its next-generation mini-submarine. Today, Pakistan uses its MG110s for SOF missions involving the Special Service Group Navy (SSGN), such as frogmen operations. It may also use them for laying mines and, as per some unverified reports, firing torpedoes. That said, Pakistan should be expected to retain a focus on SOF operations, which would prioritize deploying divers and SDVs.

New concepts, such as deploying unmanned underwater vehicles (UUV) for clearing mines or autonomous underwater vehicles (AUV) for surveillance, could be considered for this new design. It would be valuable for positioning these mini-submarines against asymmetrical threats.

It is unclear if the Pakistan Navy would require its new mini-submarines to carry torpedoes. Granted, the Pakistan Navy’s order for eight Hangor-class submarines indicates a plan to use submarines for anti-access and area denial in Pakistan’s littoral waters. Having many smaller submarines armed with heavyweight torpedoes lurk in coastal waters (with coastal anti-ship missile batteries) could deter amphibious landing attempts. However, this would be in the realm of a sub-1,000-ton coastal submarine more so than a miniature submarine.

Aside from Turkey and Pakistan, Indonesia and South Korea also developing their own series of mini-submarines. At Indo Defence 2016, the Indonesian shipbuilding PT Palindo Marine showed a mock-up of its mini-submarine design – the Kapal Selam Mini (KSM). The KSM will displace (underwater) 127.1 tons. South Korea’s Hyundai Heavy Industries (HHI) has its HDS-400-series of mini-submarines.
http://quwa.org/2017/05/23/pakistan-mini-submarines/
 
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The shallow water submarines might not offer much as Posiden Tech will easily detect the shallow water submarines as depth is low

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American Tech was already detecting German submarines in WW2 now we are talking good 50 year of advance tech

The midget submarine program I am afraid won't offer much
 
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The shallow water submarines might not offer much as Posiden Tech will easily detect the shallow water submarines as depth is low

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American Tech was already detecting German submarines in WW2 now we are talking good 50 year of advance tech

The midget submarine program I am afraid won't offer much

Pakistan Navy might have evaluated its capability so fingers crossed.
 
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Just better to nuke India when we get chance

But remains to be seen what exactly are the technology standards in these submarines , seems like these are not armed with much ammo just special operation team due to small size of these submarines
 
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The shallow water submarines might not offer much as Posiden Tech will easily detect the shallow water submarines as depth is low

1053202981.jpg



American Tech was already detecting German submarines in WW2 now we are talking good 50 year of advance tech

The midget submarine program I am afraid won't offer much


Not really kind of disagree with you, yes in offensive front they do not have much to offer because of there low depth and anti submarines sonars, planes and coast guard can easily identify them in deep waters well before they reach the range to attack the target.
But on defensive front they have a lot more to offer, when combined with coastal defense system and air defence system over the coastral seas, air force support
1) these submarins can actuly hunt for enemy larger, bigger submarines without being spoted
2) Light weight torpedoes can be used against any suface ships enabling naval blockade or trying to attck harbour
3) 15-20 submaries can actuly break through any type of naval blockade and can even cripply carrier battle groups because CB group might not be able to detect all of them and destroy them(killer move but in quantity they are like stealth jets in the sky due to smaller size)
 
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Just better to nuke India when we get chance

But remains to be seen what exactly are the technology standards in these submarines , seems like these are not armed with much ammo just special operation team due to small size of these submarines


yup better option, nuke india once and within minutes ur existance may not even exist.
 
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Brother these submarines really small so they will disappear in shallow water furthermore they will be assigned the duty to patrol Pakistan coastal areas so they are not to engage with posiden as posiden will be flying only in indian waters ...

I think the real task of these submarines will be intelligence gathering and to gather information about indian submarines close to Pakistan coastal water ... i hope tbey must have few tarpedos and abilitiy to communicate with other naval assets ...
The shallow water submarines might not offer much as Posiden Tech will easily detect the shallow water submarines as depth is low

1053202981.jpg



American Tech was already detecting German submarines in WW2 now we are talking good 50 year of advance tech

The midget submarine program I am afraid won't offer much
 
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