Pakistan PM rejects ‘independent Kashmir’

[MultaniGuy]

I am not sure I understand. Please elaborate.




There is not going to be any war unless you initiate. All wars have been initiated by you - the last one being Kargil.



Far away province? LOL - It housed over 50% of your population - if anything, you were the far away province.

At that time Bangladesh may have had more population.

lol territorially Bangladesh is smaller than Pakistan.

It is Bangladesh which was the far away province from Pakistan.

 

[Jackdaws]

At that time Bangladesh may have had more population.

lol territorially Bangladesh is smaller than Pakistan.

It is Bangladesh which was the far away province from Pakistan.

LOL - that's like saying New York is a province of Alabama because New York is smaller.
Do you also believe that Punjab and Sindh are provinces of Balochistan?

 

[MultaniGuy]

LOL - that's like saying New York is a province of Alabama because New York is smaller.
Do you also believe that Punjab and Sindh are provinces of Balochistan?

Wrong comparison. East Bengal holds less land than the rest of the provinces of West Pakistan.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

The only solution to Kashmir is change the demographics. Settle Indians for other states in the valley, and all violence and protests will go. If you don't change the demographics, the violence will return again in the future.

That's essentially an implicit acceptance of the fact that the residents of Kashmir do not and will not accept Indian rule.

 

[The Eagle]

I think Indian constitution matters more in India. Anyway I don't recall any international law that prohibits settlements of Indians of other states in Kashmir. Indian constitution itself prohibits settlements of Indians of other states into Kashmir though article 370.

It is nothing to do with I being a keyboard general, I am a realist. There was only Kashmir once between India and Pakistan. Now add water to it. Hate is growing. Media is not making things any easier. Things are becoming more complex between India and Pakistan and not less, and India and Pakistan are not even talking to each other. Anyway good to know that you are a peacenik.

You wasn't quoted as keyboard warriors but people even it includes you or me, mongering war. I being peace-loving could be the based upon being more realistic that don't wish for the initially.

If a prisoner named Sam renames himself as "Always Free Sam" then would it make any difference to his life in jail?

Prisoner held being criminal and Kashmir is either Azad and occupied. Flawed reference.

I am not sure I understand. Please elaborate.

Personal opinions does not matter when it is about Law. However, an offender wouldn't care as such.

 

[MultaniGuy]

That's essentially an implicit acceptance of the fact that the residents of Kashmir do not and will not accept Indian rule.

I have said it many times that the Kashmiris hate Indian occupation, but these Indians never understand.

 

[Jackdaws]

I have said it many times that the Kashmiris hate Indian occupation, but these Indians never understand.

That's your opinion. An "x" number of ethnic Kashmiris do see India as an occupying force - but a significant number also see themselves as Indian. Maybe some in Pak held Kashmir see themselves as Pakistani.

 

[MultaniGuy]

That's your opinion. An "x" number of ethnic Kashmiris do see India as an occupying force - but a significant number also see themselves as Indian. Maybe some in Pak held Kashmir see themselves as Pakistani.

All Kashmiris in Pakistan see themselves as Pakistani.

 

[Chhatrapati]

But mostly of Jammu and Kashmir is Muslim.

The minorities are irrelevant, even if they make 25%.

How irrelevant? Stop throwing random words like irrelevant. They are as relevant as muslims in the region, because if ever a plebiscite happens you are gonna need the support of Hindu and Buddhist community, as you cannot have more than 50% of the Muslim community supporting a union with Pakistan.

 

[ito]

That's essentially an implicit acceptance of the fact that the residents of Kashmir do not and will not accept Indian rule.

Yes, I agree on the first part. Not all residents of Kashmir, but many valley Muslims do not accept India. But not the second part 'will not accept Indian rule'. Valley Muslims have no option but to come into Indian main stream. There is no way either Kashmir will become part of Pakistan or Independent. Coming into Indian main stream will take time, but sure valley Muslims will recognize the reality.

 

[Jackdaws]

All Kashmiris in Pakistan see themselves as Pakistani.

Not all it seems -
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahom...Chinas-increasing-strength.html#ixzz3H8rYBMVW

 

[MultaniGuy]

How irrelevant? Stop throwing random words like irrelevant. They are as relevant as muslims in the region, because if ever a plebiscite happens you are gonna need the support of Hindu and Buddhist community, as you cannot have more than 50% of the Muslim community supporting a union with Pakistan.

I see you are back from your ban.

You better behave youself so you don't get banned again.

Again, Muslims make up 68% of Jammu and Kashmir.

Non Muslims you said make up 25%.

The minorities are irrelevant.

Not all it seems -
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahom...Chinas-increasing-strength.html#ixzz3H8rYBMVW

Read this article:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-39702303

Yes all it seems.

 

[Chhatrapati]

I see you are back from your ban.

You better behave youself so you don't get banned again.

Again, Muslims make up 68% of Jammu and Kashmir.

Non Muslims you said make up 25%.

The minorities are irrelevant.

As long as there is impartial webby and mods, ban is a non-issue. And the ban was originally handed for few hours which I deserve. I sleep it over. And don't tell me Pakistani don't get banned on the forum.

Why do you think the entire muslim community support Pakistan? Both Political parties in Kashmir namely PDP and NC do not support a union with Pakistan. They are both Muslim parties and both having millions of members, while the separatist tried and failed to gather any support even though they formed a political party. Guess why?

Kashmir region is dirt poor, rather it failed to attract investment due to the wars. Unemployment was high which resulted in many people getting payed for stone throwing and protests. Since the funds were crushed, the stone pelting has reduced. So, one can understand why and how.

I said total people who support Pakistan may make up to 25%.

Non-Muslim make up 32% (Simple math).

India considers Shia and Ahmedi as Muslim, so both make up 12%. In that Muslims population. And the separatist movements and Hizbis are supported and funded by Sunni organization and wahhabis.

If every person in J&K wants to be part of Pakistan then India can't stop such a movement. The support India gets from inside Kashmir is what is keeping you at bay. That's why on both instance, i.e during 65 war and 99 the Kashmiri villagers spotted the infiltration and pin point the locations for army.

 

[MultaniGuy]

As long as there is impartial webby and mods, ban is a non-issue. And the ban was originally handed for few hours which I deserve. I sleep it over. And don't tell me Pakistani don't get banned on the forum.

Why do you think the entire muslim community support Pakistan? Both Political parties in Kashmir namely PDP and NC do not support a union with Pakistan. They are both Muslim parties and both having millions of members, while the separatist tried and failed to gather any support even though they formed a political party. Guess why?

Kashmir region is dirt poor, rather it failed to attract investment due to the wars. Unemployment was high which resulted in many people getting payed for stone throwing and protests. Since the funds were crushed, the stone pelting has reduced. So, one can understand why and how.

I said total people who support Pakistan may make up to 25%.

Non-Muslim make up 32% (Simple math).

India considers Shia and Ahmedi as Muslim, so both make up 12%. In that Muslims population. And the separatist movements and Hizbis are supported and funded by Sunni organization and wahhabis.

If every person in J&K wants to be part of Pakistan then India can't stop such a movement. The support India gets from inside Kashmir is what is keeping you at bay. That's why on both instance, i.e during 65 war and 99 the Kashmiri villagers spotted the infiltration and pin point the locations for army.

Most Muslims are Sunnis in Jammu and Kashmir.

We will see

All you say is just speculation.

Absolutely you deserved the ban

 

[Chhatrapati]

Most Muslims are Sunnis in Jammu and Kashmir.

All you say is just speculation.

Lol! Your face palm moment. Even you are speculating. Not all Sunni Muslim support Pakistan. Not to mention the majority of police officers in J&K Police.

We will see

You saw that in national assembly elections in J&K. At 50% voters turn out. And in J&K assembly elections had 60% turned out to vote.