Pakistan PM announces $3.2 billion package for farm sector

[Thəorətic Muslim]

You need to learn some economics....

it costs money to harvest a grown crop. The cost of harvest exceeded the price they would have received for the produce. That would have been a direct loss, not low earnings.

"Deadweight loss"

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[Finer]

and you expect people to take you seriously?

You should worry about getting people take you seriously. That's how the whole Pakistan sees Imran Khan now.

 

[Dubious]

You should worry about getting people take you seriously. That's how the whole Pakistan sees Imran Khan now.

reported for derailing!

Thread has nothing to do with IK

 

[Finer]

reported for derailing!

Thread has nothing to do with IK

That is what your strategy gonna be like every time? Remind me not to debate with crybaby Imranistan.

 

[flameboard]

HOw about ridding of the feudal system?

 

[kamrananvaar]

I was thinking rationally. Please look at the statistics published. The data is from 2010 so is a bit old but hopefully will help understand the cultivated area in Pakistan and by what type of farmer. From the report the total farm area is about 52.9 million acres of which only 42.6 million acres is cultivated. If you look at the size of the farms then you see almost 75% fall into small farmers (15 acres cultivated) and believe me these farmers don't have the ability to store their crops as they hardly make ends meet. Furthermore only about 6% of the farmers are large scale farmers.
http://www.pbs.gov.pk/sites/default...ensus2010/Tables (Pakistan - In Hectares).pdf


I said there are a number of cheese producers and the industry is expanding.
You can ask gunja why he released the tax money. I don't support him or anyone else in politics.

Well if 15 acres is small for you jageerdars mu paltry 4.5 acres would be even smaller but believe me , we are doing fine . Have cousins and they have between 3 -15 acres and by the grace of god every one is doing ok. Not filthy rich by your standards but OK.
Now instead of just ranting , I tried to give a possible solution to the woes of farmers unlike you, plz the name of small cheese makers in punjab. I was talking of cottage industry not a big firm like habeeb .

 

[Icewolf]

Awww Nooooni angry. How cute.

Handing out cash is detrimental to the economy. It serves no benefit to flush billions into the system like this.

Actually it does. Pakistan needs to turn into a credit based economy for the future of its people. A credit based economy is like a boat in a storm. It swings back and forth but each evolution it grows even larger than before. This is how the world economy works as well

 

[Dubious]

Imranistan

@Jango I am not sure what this means ....Kindly do remind the poster of a certain rule

 

[Imran Khan]

give me some cash i am former also

 

[Shah01]

child when was the last time you went to Pakistan? Do you know MOST of the small scale farms are owned by wadera and they control what happens to the yield...
Sure there are individual farmers who dont do that but no one would bring them up since they dont do that!

I visit Pakistan almost once every year. I spent majority of my life in Pakistan. I belong to a family who would fall into the small scale farmers. But you know better than me. By posting the statistics the aim was to understand how many small, mid and large scale farmers are there. And how many of them will be able to store their produce (with or without wadera pressure).

Well if 15 acres is small for you jageerdars mu paltry 4.5 acres would be even smaller but believe me , we are doing fine . Have cousins and they have between 3 -15 acres and by the grace of god every one is doing ok. Not filthy rich by your standards but OK.
Now instead of just ranting , I tried to give a possible solution to the woes of farmers unlike you, plz the name of small cheese makers in punjab. I was talking of cottage industry not a big firm like habeeb .

Fair enough. I am glad you are doing fine. So ask your cousins how many of them who hold 15 acres store their produce and wait for the higher prices?
Please share some ideas so I can ask my family to employ the same techniques in farming. As my cousins have even less land than you do.
I have said reforms and education is needed for farming sector. I even said farmers should be taxed.
I only know the big firms. I will look into the cottage industry and may set up a small scale production unit for my family.

 

[Dubious]

I visit Pakistan almost once every year. I spent majority of my life in Pakistan. I belong to a family who would fall into the small scale farmers. But you know better than me. By posting the statistics the aim was to understand how many small, mid and large scale farmers are there. And how many of them will be able to store their produce (with or without wadera pressure).

Ahh I see...

No I rarely talk about small scale farmers coz I know their situation

However, large scale farmers make news more often than necessary with their doing
2ndly, I had a look at the agriculture dept more closely at Sindh than Punjab....it was a disgusting mess I am talking about national level farming.....

 

[Shah01]

Ahh I see...

No I rarely talk about small scale farmers coz I know their situation

However, large scale farmers make news more often than necessary with their doing
2ndly, I had a look at the agriculture dept more closely at Sindh than Punjab....it was a disgusting mess I am talking about national level farming.....

Sir I belong to one and family went through some hardships. I myself don't like large scale farmers as they are the ones who pulled this country to ruins. Sindh is no doubt in a very dire state but in Punjab the balance is tilting as the waderas loosing their hold slowly but steadily. We only need reforms in this sector. With education farmers will cultivate their land intelligently and efficiently. My grand parents use to cultivate with oxen and then we got first tractor in 1981 I think (with government loan). As a nation we have done well but much more is needed. That is why I stress on individuals to take initiative rather than wait for the government.

 

[Dubious]

With education farmers will cultivate their land intelligently and efficiently.

That is the problem....

I had a look into that section of the agriculture...I forgot what its called it is the section which links the researchers and the educationists to the farmers.....
That section is totally screwed in Punjab! Almost 100% based on safarish hence not many people know their jobs and not many people actually go to field to listen to the farmers and provide the help they are paid to!

Right now I am a little distracted on another thread...I will try to recall and get back to you as soon as I can if I dont kindly do mention/ quote me

 

[kamrananvaar]

I visit Pakistan almost once every year. I spent majority of my life in Pakistan. I belong to a family who would fall into the small scale farmers. But you know better than me. By posting the statistics the aim was to understand how many small, mid and large scale farmers are there. And how many of them will be able to store their produce (with or without wadera pressure).


Fair enough. I am glad you are doing fine. So ask your cousins how many of them who hold 15 acres store their produce and wait for the higher prices?
Please share some ideas so I can ask my family to employ the same techniques in farming. As my cousins have even less land than you do.
I have said reforms and education is needed for farming sector. I even said farmers should be taxed.
I only know the big firms. I will look into the cottage industry and may set up a small scale production unit for my family.

I have only 4.5 not 15 acres . I said the largest land by a relative of mine was 15 acres. We donot store , period.
I said valu added industry like instead of selling milk it can be turned into cheese , have a look at italy or france where there are loads of small farmers who make cheese by hand the old fashion way . No fancy machine needed . This could work well in pakistan evironment . The best mozarella cheese is made from buffalo milk not cow milk. Guess what pakistan is in the top ten buffalo milk producing country
the sind small develipment finance has launched a programme to add value to produce . Like storing of dates , dairy farm etc . But like the rest of sind everything is shrouded in corruption.

 

[Dubious]

That is why I stress on individuals to take initiative rather than wait for the government.

That I can agree on

I have only 4.5 not 15 acres . I said the largest land by a relative of mine was 15 acres. We donot store , period.
I said valu added industry like instead of selling milk it can be turned into cheese , have a look at italy or france where there are loads of small farmers who make cheese by hand the old fashion way . No fancy machine needed . This could work well in pakistan evironment . The best mozarella cheese is made from buffalo milk not cow milk. Guess what pakistan is in the top ten buffalo milk producing country
the sind small develipment finance has launched a programme to add value to produce . Like storing of dates , dairy farm etc . But like the rest of sind everything is shrouded in corruption.

I have pointed this out many times on this forum....

We used to sell chunks of cotton raw material overseas and buy back clothes made from the same cotton....Pakistan's cotton at 1 time used to be top quality but now other countries have got better products coz they invested in research and got their plants resistant to pest and drought....same case for other stuff like cereals such as wheat! We could have been selling porridge and bread!

Cheese industry would have kicked off good sadly no one thinks in the progressive direction!