Pakistan neglecting education of its people

[Hyperion]

Imbecile, that pic is for "school exam results in England"........... mujhay to lagta hai, tumm bhee koi anparh jahil gan'war ho!

This is from Twitter.
Just look at the economist = source, which has come with startling data on Sub-continent!!

 

[Dubious]

Is there any reason as to why the International Baccalaureate Diploma Program is not popular in Pakistan. There are just about 4 IB schools in all of Pakistan. India has over 100 and more are added every year.

I guess it has something to do with being in an ex British colony hence the exams of Britain are more famous....

I dnt know how many IB schools there are ...but whatever the number it is less than the academies for Olevels and all..Plus I think IB is seen as a diploma or something lower than A levels....

Plus The International Baccalaureate (IB) is new....an international qualification that covers GCSE and A-Level. It is the A-Level equivalent that is called a diploma.

Many Pakistanis havent been exposed to Alevels fully (its costly) Let alone hear of IB!




The International Baccalaureate versus A-levels: which one will help your child shine?

Expat Anthea Rowan weighs up the advantages of traditional A-levels against new favourite the International Baccalaureate.

As one who witnessed her son struggle through the International Baccalaureate, and is presently watching his sister enjoy the same syllabus, I have to question whether there really is a superior choice between A-levels and the IB. Is one honestly better than the other? Is the IB, as some schools and heads of sixth form would have us believe, the “new black” in education? Are A-levels really a near-obsolete route to university?

Pat Jewitt, the registrar at Queen Ethelberga’s College in York, says: “Offering the IB gives us a competitive edge, and students a highly respected qualification.”

Universities apparently love it: the new gold standard to guaranteed entry, which seems appealing when you remember the rush for clearing places this summer.

On the flipside, Brian Hickmore, the former head of Mougins School, in France, says: “Contrary to what people think, when it comes to applying to university, there is not much difference between the IB and A-level programmes. That’s an outdated way of thinking.”

As a result of the conflicting views, supporting a child through their choice can be very confusing. So allow me to present two case studies.


My son, 19, went to an international school where there was no choice but to do the IB, which was sold to us as the best choice. In hindsight, it was a mistake.

An IB student takes six subjects: three at higher level and three at standard, which must include maths, a science, English, and at least one foreign language. Words aren’t my son’s thing: science and maths are.

The language component (including the obligatory 4,000-word extended essay) pulled his final mark down. He believes that he should have moved school to take A-levels, where he could have concentrated on pursuing engineering, which is what he knew he wanted to do.

His sister, an all-rounder, copes competently with Spanish, biology, maths, English, art and anthropology. She has no idea what she wants to do: teach English? Become an art critic? An archaeologist, or an aid worker in South America? She’s left her options wide open, and her IB choice reflects and supports that.

David Miles is the deputy head at Gresham’s School in Norfolk, which offers both the IB and A-levels, so can offer an unbiased view.

He says: “The IB is more about an ethos of an educational style, while A-levels place more emphasis on individual subject knowledge.”

So what they say about A-levels yielding depth of knowledge, and the IB a broad education, is true? Partly. He continues: “This is not to say that the IB lacks academic rigour. The three higher-level subjects will be demanding, and will take the pupil to a high level of knowledge.”

He says that this is why top universities making offers to IB students place emphasis on the overall score, and on the scores attained at HL (higher level). My son’s experience would support this, but if the IB really hasn’t worked for a child, his or her overall score might be seriously compromised by low grades in one subject that drag down the whole result. And my son’s university offers were dependent on his achieving a five in English.

Mr Miles acknowledges that pupils aiming for degrees in the sciences, maths, or subjects with a high science content, such as engineering or medicine, might be better off doing A-levels.

How does one advise a student, such as my son, when faced with the arguments that one route is definitely the safer to a coveted university place?

“If we had a candidate who was heading in this direction, we would have to be fairly certain that they could cope with the extra breadth, as well as maintaining the highest standards in their science and maths HLs before we would recommend the IB route,” says Mr Miles.

So one choice is better for some children than others? Yes, says Gresham’s head, Philip John, for many reasons. Some pupils appreciate breadth, some like contact time in lessons, some are more indecisive than others.

“Some children might be better served by A-levels in order to get into their chosen university on their chosen course,” he says, but adds: “It’s important to bear in mind that a genuine Oxbridge prospect will have a better chance of 'making the grades’ at A-level but a better chance of proving their worth at IB.”

The IB’s popularity with some universities is the result of several factors: it suffers less grade inflation than A-levels and prepares students well for university. Mr John says that IB students who have gone on to university tell him that they are better prepared and do not find it as difficult to adjust as their new friends with A-levels.

My daughter’s timetable requires a dedicated focus to very mature levels - the IB allows less timetable space than A-levels, by about five lessons a week. The curriculum, with its extended essay, world literature and theory of knowledge components, means that she handles an enormous amount of research across a broad spectrum.

Dr Geoff Parks, the director of admissions at Cambridge, commented last year that when it came to tutors making decisions on borderline applicants, students taking the IB stood a better chance than their A-level counterparts "Because the IB differentiates better than A-level; if we are hesitating about making an offer at all, we would be more likely to make an offer to an IB student than an A-level student" , he explained. But the recent introduction of the A* grade at A-level "has given us a mechanism by which we can resolve doubt in the same way that we have always been able to do for IB applicants."

Mr Miles says that Gresham’s IB students last year received “1.5 more university offers than our A-level students - although the proportion who got their first choice was roughly equal”.

That statistic would seem to sustain the argument that, though universities increasingly rate the IB, schools that acknowledge and support different sorts of children through different syllabuses end up doing what pupils need: help them secure a place at university.

The International Baccalaureate versus A-levels: which one will help your child shine? - Telegraph

 

[imran169]

What is there to hate? every second Pakistani kid hasnt seen the inside of a school - not even a madrassah, i.e. 50% of Pakistani kids dont know what a school is - this worse than the study that 50% of Pakistanis dont know what a toilet is.

source?

 

[Bilal.]

What is there to hate? every second Pakistani kid hasnt seen the inside of a school - not even a madrassah, i.e. 50% of Pakistani kids dont know what a school is - this worse than the study that 50% of Pakistanis dont know what a toilet is.

Wrong figures, Pakistan's current primary school NER is 70%+

School enrollment, primary (% net) | Data | Table

And GER if I am not mistaking is 90%+....And please don't embarrass yourself by talking about toilets. If I start quoting Indian figures it would be embarrassing for you.

 

[Dubious]

Imbecile, that pic is for "school exam results in England"........... mujhay to lagta hai, tumm bhee koi anparh jahil gan'war ho!

Yea and it seems like the measurement for who is being educated...you know if you dont get a C you are uneducated

Though @Hyperion try the post above yours...more comedy there

 

[imran169]

What is there to hate? every second Pakistani kid hasnt seen the inside of a school - not even a madrassah, i.e. 50% of Pakistani kids dont know what a school is - this worse than the study that 50% of Pakistanis dont know what a toilet is.

Leave your hatred out of this,this is not india where 50% people dont have toilet as Modi said...dont propagate false news out of your hatred

 

[acid rain]

Globally 2.5 billion people
do not have clean toilets; 1.1 billion
people defecate in the open of which
43 million are in Pakistan. More than
half of the women in Pakistan do not
have access to a safe toilet,
threatening their health.
Abdul Hafeez from WaterAid Pakistan
said “Pakistan is currently 15 years off
track from meeting the sanitation
Millennium Development Goal target,
which was due to be completed in
2015. Every year it is estimated that
over 30,000 women and girls die from
diseases brought about from a lack of
access to sanitation and water in
Pakistan. We can and should be doing
better.” WaterAid has also issued the
report “We Can’t Wait” developed in
collaboration with Unilever and WSSC.
School teachers and representatives of
civil society organisation Shoaib
Jagirani, Shahnaz Shahid, Hands’
manager advocacy Abdul Raheem
Moosavi and others advocated about
the importance of toilet in their
school, houses and locality, stating
that Pakistan is among 10 worst
countries whose citizens does not
have proper access to clean water and
proper toilets. The events ended with
endorsement by all participants as an
oath for ensuring provision of
sanitation options for the people of
Pakistan with the message that “Toilets
for all because we need Happy People,
Healthy Economy, Dignified Women
and Smiling Children”.
“According to UN statistics, water and
sanitation related diseases are
responsible for 60 percent of the total
number of deaths of children under
five years of age around the world.
The fact that every 24 hours, 320
children die from diarrhea supports the
earlier alarming fact. In relation, better
sanitation and hygiene in the toilets
can improvise the situation because as
per United Nation’s research, an
average person spends a total of four
years of his life in toilet. This takes us
to lack of clean public toilets in
Pakistan, where we find only 17
functional public toilets out of 40 in
the bustling city of Karachi,” expressed
the Vice Chancellor Karachi University
(KU) Prof Dr Muhammad Qaiser during
his address to a seminar organised to
celebrate the World Toilet Day by the
Department of Public Administration
here on Tuesday.
The event was organised to mark the
day as, in last July, Singapore
sponsored the United Nations General
Assembly resolution declaring
November 19th as the World Toilet
Day. The Chairman – Prof Dr Khalid
Iraqi was of the view that poor
hygiene and sanitation problems calls
for a change. He said that a change in
behavior and dynamics of policy is
direly needed adding that hygienic
and comfortable toilets also give
psychological relief to people. He said
that speaking about toilets has always
been considered hilarious but we need
to take the matter seriously as more
than 16000 children die every day due
to diarrhea and that negligence in
terms of toilets leads to 2.5 billion
people in the world which makes 30%
of the world’s total population are
living without toilets.
Dean Faculty of Management and
Administrative Sciences – Prof Dr
Abuzar Wajidi quoted Mahatma Gandhi
who said that the more pathetic
condition of India is that out of every
3 people, one person is living without
well-constructed clean toilet. He
indicated that almost 1.1.billion people
defecate in the outside and in
Pakistan, specifically; 43 million people
remain deprived of toilets and are
forced to defecate in the outside
which allows many easily prevented
diseases to be contagious.
The nation.pk


Half of pakistanis dont have resources to feed their family - forget about schools and toilets. Pakistanis have lost 4 inches of height on a national average because of malnoutrushment.

 

[waz]

This is not surpising. With the amount of ineptness in Pakistan, you can expect this to continue. With the youngest population in Asia, having little or in many cases no access to education, you have a multiplying effect that takes back Pakistan years.

 

[imran169]

Globally 2.5 billion people
do not have clean toilets; 1.1 billion
people defecate in the open of which
43 million are in Pakistan. More than
half of the women in Pakistan do not
have access to a safe toilet,
threatening their health.
Abdul Hafeez from WaterAid Pakistan
said “Pakistan is currently 15 years off
track from meeting the sanitation
Millennium Development Goal target,
which was due to be completed in
2015. Every year it is estimated that
over 30,000 women and girls die from
diseases brought about from a lack of
access to sanitation and water in
Pakistan. We can and should be doing
better.” WaterAid has also issued the
report “We Can’t Wait” developed in
collaboration with Unilever and WSSC.
School teachers and representatives of
civil society organisation Shoaib
Jagirani, Shahnaz Shahid, Hands’
manager advocacy Abdul Raheem
Moosavi and others advocated about
the importance of toilet in their
school, houses and locality, stating
that Pakistan is among 10 worst
countries whose citizens does not
have proper access to clean water and
proper toilets. The events ended with
endorsement by all participants as an
oath for ensuring provision of
sanitation options for the people of
Pakistan with the message that “Toilets
for all because we need Happy People,
Healthy Economy, Dignified Women
and Smiling Children”.
“According to UN statistics, water and
sanitation related diseases are
responsible for 60 percent of the total
number of deaths of children under
five years of age around the world.
The fact that every 24 hours, 320
children die from diarrhea supports the
earlier alarming fact. In relation, better
sanitation and hygiene in the toilets
can improvise the situation because as
per United Nation’s research, an
average person spends a total of four
years of his life in toilet. This takes us
to lack of clean public toilets in
Pakistan, where we find only 17
functional public toilets out of 40 in
the bustling city of Karachi,” expressed
the Vice Chancellor Karachi University
(KU) Prof Dr Muhammad Qaiser during
his address to a seminar organised to
celebrate the World Toilet Day by the
Department of Public Administration
here on Tuesday.
The event was organised to mark the
day as, in last July, Singapore
sponsored the United Nations General
Assembly resolution declaring
November 19th as the World Toilet
Day. The Chairman – Prof Dr Khalid
Iraqi was of the view that poor
hygiene and sanitation problems calls
for a change. He said that a change in
behavior and dynamics of policy is
direly needed adding that hygienic
and comfortable toilets also give
psychological relief to people. He said
that speaking about toilets has always
been considered hilarious but we need
to take the matter seriously as more
than 16000 children die every day due
to diarrhea and that negligence in
terms of toilets leads to 2.5 billion
people in the world which makes 30%
of the world’s total population are
living without toilets.
Dean Faculty of Management and
Administrative Sciences – Prof Dr
Abuzar Wajidi quoted Mahatma Gandhi
who said that the more pathetic
condition of India is that out of every
3 people, one person is living without
well-constructed clean toilet. He
indicated that almost 1.1.billion people
defecate in the outside and in
Pakistan, specifically; 43 million people
remain deprived of toilets and are
forced to defecate in the outside
which allows many easily prevented
diseases to be contagious.
The nation.pk


Half of pakistanis dont have resources to feed their family - forget about schools and toilets. Pakistanis have lost 4 inches of height on a national average because of malnoutrushment.

your BS about 50%....i know its disgusting but 43 million dont have access to closed toilets,still it make 21.5% as we are 200 million...but 626 million people in india dont have access to toilets...out of 1.2 billion people if you r good in mathematics then you should know its round about 50%...so as i said you are full of hatred,nothing else...go clean your own house...
India News, Latest News in India, Live News India, India Breaking News - Times of India626-million-Indians-lack-access-to-closed-toilets/articleshow/14739145.cms

 

[acid rain]

your BS about 50%....i know its disgusting but 43 million dont have access to closed toilets,still it make 21.5% as we are 200 million...but 626 million people in india dont have access to toilets...out of 1.2 billion people if you r good in mathematics then you should know its round about 50%...so as i said you are full of hatred,nothing else...go clean your own house...
India News, Latest News in India, Live News India, India Breaking News - Times of India626-million-Indians-lack-access-to-closed-toilets/articleshow/14739145.cms

I am sorry to have not posted the whole article that says that 44% of Pakistanis and more than 50% of its women havent seen the inside of what a toilet looks like.

Lets not veer from the topic of the literacy rate of the poor Pakistanis that is actually increasing rather than dropping inspite of being one of the worlds largest aid recipient nations and just a shade above than the ranking of a poor country and the 10th failed (fragile) state in the world.

 

[imran169]

I am sorry to have not posted the whole article that says that 44% of Pakistanis and more than 50% of its women havent seen the inside of what a toilet looks like.

Lets not veer from the topic of the literacy rate of the poor Pakistanis that is actually increasing rather than dropping inspite of being one of the worlds largest aid recipient nations and just a shade above than the ranking of a poor country and the 10th failed (fragile) state in the world.

oH man you are not believing its 43 million and its about 21% not 55 and btw i was wrong 626 million is 52% not 50% and you people calling Pakistan failed state from 5-6 years and yet it still exists you and your BS media...live in your delusional world where Pakistan is weak failed state and India is superpower...and if i m not wrong this POOR NATION gave money to free your country men from pirates back in 2011 i think...SUPERPOWER doesnt have money for its citizens,huh...and we r failed state

 

[Kabira]

your BS about 50%....i know its disgusting but 43 million dont have access to closed toilets,still it make 21.5% as we are 200 million...but 626 million people in india dont have access to toilets...out of 1.2 billion people if you r good in mathematics then you should know its round about 50%...so as i said you are full of hatred,nothing else...go clean your own house...
India News, Latest News in India, Live News India, India Breaking News - Times of India626-million-Indians-lack-access-to-closed-toilets/articleshow/14739145.cms

Ignore him, latest figure says 15% and all of them in remote rural areas. In urban 0% without toilets, while in Indian urban centers 11% without toilets. Imagine 2 million people in Delhi without toilet and having to shit in open.

 

[Ola]

I dnt know how many IB schools there are ...but whatever the number it is less than the academies for Olevels and all..Plus I think IB is seen as a diploma or something lower than A levels....
Plus The International Baccalaureate (IB) is new....an international qualification that covers GCSE and A-Level. It is the A-Level equivalent that is called a diploma.
Many Pakistanis havent been exposed to Alevels fully (its costly) Let alone hear of IB!

India is probably the cheapest place in the world for an IB education. I know of a residential IB school in Lonavala which has over 60 students from Thailand alone on its rolls. An IB education costs as little as INR 8 to 10 lakhs per year in India, its more than double in Thailand, and about thrice as much in Singapore. On completion the Diploma and ease of access to major universities worldwide is the same, so this can also be a good opportunity to earn foreign exchange, and subsidise the cost for local students.

 

[Dubious]

India is probably the cheapest place in the world for an IB education. I know of a residential IB school in Lonavala which has over 60 students from Thailand alone on its rolls. An IB education costs as little as INR 8 to 10 lakhs per year in India, its more than double in Thailand, and about thrice as much in Singapore. On completion the Diploma and ease of access to major universities worldwide is the same, so this can also be a good opportunity to earn foreign exchange, and subsidise the cost for local students.

Probably but from the budget and all it is clear that for our jahil govt education is not a priority...
They take the tax money and when they do something "useful for the public" with that money they expect to be bowed at...Our own money, our rights are treated as "gift" from these sadist losers!

 

[Pakistanisage]

Pakistan government is criminally negligent about its responsibilities to educate its masses.