Pakistan Needs J-20 If It Wants To Stand A Chance

[Khafee]

Hi,

Thank you---JH7B is indeed the best bang for the buck for pakistan.




Hi,

Those sob's---can now say---' we took your advice '.

Anyone one of these aircraft will do the job----but it needs to be complemented with a heavy strike aircraft.

Please define Heavy Strike.

Thank You.

 

[waz]

The cost will be astronomical, the infrastructure and overhaul facilities just as immense, and I doubt this jet will be allowed to fly in anything but Chinese colours. I could see another good stealth jet, with many borrowed tech from the J-20, but the J-20, I'm not so sure about.

 

[Photon]

http://www.defenceaviation.com/2015/03/china-bans-export-of-chengdu-j-20.html

https://sputniknews.com/military/201611041047075205-china-export-j20/

https://warisboring.com/beijing-banned-export-of-its-new-stealth-fighter-6c50124fec6a

 

[Khafee]

http://www.defenceaviation.com/2015/03/china-bans-export-of-chengdu-j-20.html

https://sputniknews.com/military/201611041047075205-china-export-j20/

https://warisboring.com/beijing-banned-export-of-its-new-stealth-fighter-6c50124fec6a

That's it? Only three links? Come on, you can do better than this! Please provide more links!!

 

[Cookie Monster]

well me being from the uk making logical statements and you from the uae and in the military. id firstly believe you. but then i remember again, your in the military. you dont just go on to forums and splurge out all of the current activities pakistan is involved in. there would be elements to deviate some from the truth with a false wall. but thats beyond my need.
yes china and pakistan are tier 0 partners (not one) and there are elements which remain to be seen and most of which will never be seen. but nothing is ever free, theres always a cost either directly or indirectly.

oh and i do know the pakistan airforce literally setup the uaeaf and still have a large presence of pakistanis there

I think the money is an issue. However China wouldn't just look at the cost Pakistan can pay per fighter bcuz China has other things to consider.
Those other things being US propping up India to tackle China. Also China already has other adversaries and US allied countries around SCS to deal with(Japan/South Korea/Vietnam/Phillipines).
India rising economically and with US support can pose a significant threat. So keeping India busy on two fronts can come in really handy. For China the ideal situation would be to have a economically strong Pakistan so it can boost its military capabilities on its own. Since that's not the case, China has been helping Pakistan improve its economy/military capabilities.
It is only for the strategic value that China may consider making an exception to sell J20 to Pakistan(or some variant derived from that tech). And it might provide those on a loan instead of cold hard cash if Pakistan can't pay up front. Mainly due to strategic benefits that a strong PAF would provide to China.
In the long run I think Pakistan and China may go the way of NATO countries. Meaning having military platforms(jets, tanks, etc.) that can work well with each other as if they belonged to one country.

 

[Khafee]

Didn't mean to step on your tail.

But if you had bothered to open the links, you would found all three news pieces are from are from different time periods (2014, 2015 and a few hours ago). Where Chinese officials have again and again reaffirmed, that J20 will not be exported to another country.

Hence this discussion is purely hypothetical.

Now you can go ahead and claim, "J20 is coming to PAF" because you know "things", others don't.

But then thats about it, It is your word against that of a Chinese state official.

Take your heartburn somewhere else.

 

[MastanKhan]

Please define Heavy Strike.

Thank You.

Hi,

A heavy, strike aircraft---

 

[AlyxMS]

Why would JH-7B be frequently recommended to Pakistan by some members?

The concesus around Chinese military forum is JH-7A is a 2.5 Gen(Like the Tornado)strike fighter(This role is being replaced by Multirole fighters in modern militaries). It's engine is old with low thrust and TWR, it's avionics is out of date and it had little, if any BVR capability. It also had the highest crash rate in all PLA jets.

PLAN is using it as a platform to launch standoff anti ship missiles and cruise missiles, nothing more. And people are talking about replacing all JH-7/7A with J-16s.

The JH-7B program is scrapped a long time ago.
If Pakistan wants to buy JH-7s, the only option is JH-7A which is arguably obsolete. If Pakistan wanted a strike fighter, this is an awful choice.

 

[Khafee]

Hi,

A heavy, strike aircraft---

I mean what did you have in mind besides JH7B? Su35, what else do you think could fit that role?

Why would JH-7B be frequently recommended to Pakistan by some members?

The concesus around Chinese military forum is JH-7A is a 2.5 Gen(Like the Tornado)strike fighter(This role is being replaced by Multirole fighters in modern militaries). It's engine is old with low thrust and TWR, it's avionics is out of date and it had little, if any BVR capability. It also had the highest crash rate in all PLA jets.

PLAN is using it as a platform to launch standoff anti ship missiles and cruise missiles, nothing more. And people are talking about replacing all JH-7/7A with J-16s.

The JH-7B program is scrapped a long time ago.
If Pakistan wants to buy JH-7s, the only option is JH-7A which is arguably obsolete. If Pakistan wanted a strike fighter, this is an awful choice.

IF China wanted, it could come up with a JH7C, or a newer J11 /J16, i.e. a tailor made solution for Pakistan's maritime and deep strike roles. IF it wanted to, given CPEC and other interests.

In conclusion it's not that unrealistic.

 

[BRAVO_]

pakistan is planing to buy FC-31 and already it showed interest in it through high level delegation, J-20 is a big ask lets be realistic FC-31 is a export version and if pakistan joined its hands with china in early stages it could have many benefits later

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi

I mean what did you have in mind besides JH7B? Su35, what else do you think could fit that role?

Hi,

I look at things realistically---. Which means---what is not available---does not exist---should not be considered either.

But as you have asked that question---then off course the J20---but I would rather not----.

I would rather have a combo of the JH7B's and the J31's.

 

[C130]

Hi,

A heavy, strike aircraft---

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/this-is-a-fully-armed-f-15sa-the-most-advanced-product-1715732294

 

[dadeechi]

I mentioned this on an earlier thread. PAF is not only considering the J31, but the J20 as well. Plus Both, how's that for a spanner in the works?

Note: Fanboys please don't bring money into this thread.

No I won't believe until you show me the bank statement.

 

[grey boy 2]

Why would JH-7B be frequently recommended to Pakistan by some members?

The concesus around Chinese military forum is JH-7A is a 2.5 Gen(Like the Tornado)strike fighter(This role is being replaced by Multirole fighters in modern militaries). It's engine is old with low thrust and TWR, it's avionics is out of date and it had little, if any BVR capability. It also had the highest crash rate in all PLA jets.

PLAN is using it as a platform to launch standoff anti ship missiles and cruise missiles, nothing more. And people are talking about replacing all JH-7/7A with J-16s.

The JH-7B program is scrapped a long time ago.
If Pakistan wants to buy JH-7s, the only option is JH-7A which is arguably obsolete. If Pakistan wanted a strike fighter, this is an awful choice.

Are you alright? JH-7A is a 2.5 generation fighter bomber? which Chinese forum told you so?
In fact even by Chinese generation count, its a 3rd gen plane which is 4th generation count by western standard

The JH-7A is an upgraded version of the JH-7 twin-engine fourth generation aircraft manufactured by the Xi'an Aircraft Industry Corporation. The fighter-bomber is said to be a major step forward in China's bid for "electromagnetic supremacy," the modern key to air supremacy in combat.
https://www.pinterest.com/pin/320248223475476130/
http://www.aseanmildef.com/2015/08/jh-7a-fighter-bomber-boost-for-plas.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/jh-7.htm
BTW, can you give me the "Link, source" of your claim of JH-7B was being scrapped a long time ago?
I believed the so-called "JH-7B" picture was shown on the internet not too long ago, so i'm curious maybe you've some insider source to share?

 

[艹艹艹]

Pakistan is falling further and further behind against India for Air Superiority let alone Air Parity. It's only chance is to buy at least 36 J-20.

each J-20 will command & control 4 to 6 JF-17 blk 3, the J-20 will fly ahead and use it's stealth/sensors to find targets and relay this information to the JF-17, the JF-17 will launch their SD-10 and the J-20 will take control of these missiles via a two way data link.

36 J20 144/216 JF block 3

this would level the playing field.

This is an American conspiracy. To stimulate the purchase of F35 in India, causing the South Asian arms race and regional instability, the U.S. arms dealers can make a lot of money