PAKISTAN NAVY SHIPS: YARMOOK-CLASS CORVETTE

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Only thing further Navy can accumulate are Helicopters with Anti Ship Missiles would be nice if we pick up 10-20 Units

 

[Yasser76]

If you have seen future plans of Pak Navy presented by @Rafi you would realise that 40 Ship size Navy is planned by us. Pakistan Navy plans order more Frigates and Corvettes and Destroyers after current order is completed and it's not insane in fact if you would a real power projection that is what you need to have

Do you know what "power projection" is or do you use this terminology to just look informed?

PN nor Pakistan needs or wants global power projection. We have no formal defence treaties or need to protect interests any further then Arabian Sea/Gulf.

We are not required to defeat the IN in the Open Seas. Anyone has access to the stated aims of the Pakistan Navy here

"Protect Maritime Interests of Pakistan, deter aggression at and from sea, provide disaster relief, participate in development of coastal communities and contribute to international efforts in maintaining good order at sea."

https://www.paknavy.gov.pk/


Basically the aim of the Navy is to protect our coast and shipping routes. Very simple. 40 major ships is insane and unaffordable. Those resources would be better off in the Air Force or Army.

 

[Armchair]

I think @Zarvan did not say "global power projection" but "power projection".

I know we are all covid stuck but we can all gain from a relaxed and friendly conversation.

Yarmook sounds turk. Good to hear.

Yarmouk is a great battle of Muslims that destroyed Roman power in Sham forever. Khalid bin Walid fought for 3 days defensively and the line broke multiple times (line was 3 deep for kms). At times Muslim women would fight off the areas that the line was broken. On the fourth day the Muslims launched an attack, outflanking the enemy with mobile cavalry (who defeated roman cavalry). Dirhar held of the enemy retreat pass with only 300 men. Ultimately this resulted in the death of most of the enemy about 100,000-200,000 soldiers. Constantinople was never the same after this battle.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

Total dominance of Indian Ocean serves no real purpose for Pakistan.

Total dominance of our seas matters

 

[Armchair]

These boats are built to commercial grade. Some have mistaken this to mean that they are built with steel. There is actually much more difference - ships built for a navy have better protection, better fire safety, better protection for taking hits and surviving, redundancy of critical systems, etc etc. US ships also have requirements for armour.

All these add to the ships cost, weight, space.

 

[Zarvan]

Do you know what "power projection" is or do you use this terminology to just look informed?

PN nor Pakistan needs or wants global power projection. We have no formal defence treaties or need to protect interests any further then Arabian Sea/Gulf.

We are not required to defeat the IN in the Open Seas. Anyone has access to the stated aims of the Pakistan Navy here

"Protect Maritime Interests of Pakistan, deter aggression at and from sea, provide disaster relief, participate in development of coastal communities and contribute to international efforts in maintaining good order at sea."

https://www.paknavy.gov.pk/


Basically the aim of the Navy is to protect our coast and shipping routes. Very simple. 40 major ships is insane and unaffordable. Those resources would be better off in the Air Force or Army.

Your neighbor and mortal enemy has left you with no choice. You want to have freedom than a Navy consisting of 24 to 30 Frigates and Destroyers and Corvettes is a must and 40 is ideal number plus 24 AIP with VLS and Nuclear Submarines are a must. This is not for global projection, this is for your defense.

@Armchair

 

[Yasser76]

Total dominance of our seas matters

No, it does not. PN Vessels do not need to control the entry to Mumbai port in order to win an Indo-Pak war. What matters is air superiority and land battle in Punjab/Thar.

Navy just needs to ensure our supply lines remain open, they can do thus but posing a threat to IN via Submarines and using MPAs/Frigates to protect our seal lanes.
We don't need to dominate Indian Ocean. Even US Navy cannot do this.

Your neighbor and mortal enemy has left you with no choice. You want to have freedom than a Navy consisting of 24 to 30 Frigates and Destroyers and Corvettes is a must and 40 is ideal number plus 24 AIP with VLS and Nuclear Submarines are a must. This is not for global projection, this is for your defense.

@Armchair

Nuclear deterence I understand, but you don't need 4 frigates/destroyers. Massive waste of resources for a poor country

 

[Zarvan]

No, it does not. PN Vessels do not need to control the entry to Mumbai port in order to win an Indo-Pak war. What matters is air superiority and land battle in Punjab/Thar.

Navy just needs to ensure our supply lines remain open, they can do thus but posing a threat to IN via Submarines and using MPAs/Frigates to protect our seal lanes.
We don't need to dominate Indian Ocean. Even US Navy cannot do this.



Nuclear deterence I understand, but you don't need 4 frigates/destroyers. Massive waste of resources for a poor country

Nuclear Deterrence won't stop war forever. Those who have a delusion that nuclear Deterrence can keep stopping conventional war are being naive.You need to match conventional power with conventional power

 

[Yasser76]

Nuclear Deterrence won't stop war forever. Those who have a delusion that nuclear Deterrence can keep stopping conventional war are being naive.You need to match conventional power with conventional power

Yes, but Pakistan cannot do that V India, we can have a "credible minimum deterrence". A 40 ship Navy the size of Royal Navy and French Navy combined is not needed and will take away resources for what we desperately need like a long term F-16 replacement (AZM) and Attack Helicopters/Modern tanks. Amazed people on here think Pakistan has a magic money pot.

 

[Aamir Hussain]

So chines fac were said to be 50 million a piece and these Ships are 70-80 million a piece and with 40 days endurance and 6000 km plus Range with almost same anti air 1x ciws and anti surface 8x ssm plus anti sub two x 20 ft container modules refit any time and with heli Plus hanger, this is not a bad deal




I think plaan has moved on to hq-10 which provided pretty much same range and coverage but has dual guidance modes plus more rounds up to 24 per launcher for larger ships and for medium size 18 and the smallest launcher has 8

http://www.military-today.com/missiles/hhq_10.htm

It is stated that this ship carries 1x 11’meter RIB and 1x6meter RIB but I see three RIBs at least on the model ??View attachment 636869

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The third one is not an RHIB but an inflatable boat to be used as a utility tender while in harbour etc.

There is no plan for a 40 Nos. major surface combatant Navy! And there is no logical use of a landing ship dock (LSD) for PN. Where do we plan to mount amphibious operations? Will we have air superiority in a theater where we will mount amphibious ops? Against India it will be a sitting duck!!!

A three boat SSBN squadron is enough to mount a second strike capability round the year. However, our planned acquisition of Hangor class will mount a second strike capability. So if our economy really does well, maybe then, otherwise we will stick with what we have or ordered.

I don't see even the the type 52D coming. Think of in terms of money needed for operations of a 7000+ ton boat. PN never had anything bigger than 6000 tons. HMS Diadem (PNS BABUR) was purchased when Pakistani economy was doing well. And it ended up as a training ship and eventually a static Ack Ack ship due to high angle of elevation of its main armament before it was retired. Same was the case with the County Class guided Missile Destroyer, HMS London never operated as an active ship but relegated to training role from the very beginning of its purchase.

What I do see is phasing out of the F-22P, as it is not that good of a platform with expansion limitations, being replaced by Type 54B or the next gen Chinese frigate to replace Type 54A equipped with Harbin Z-20F somewhere around 2028.

I just don't see a 40 ship navy. That gentlemen and if there is a lady here, my 2C's worth.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

No, it does not. PN Vessels do not need to control the entry to Mumbai port in order to win an Indo-Pak war. What matters is air superiority and land battle in Punjab/Thar.

Navy just needs to ensure our supply lines remain open, they can do thus but posing a threat to IN via Submarines and using MPAs/Frigates to protect our seal lanes.
We don't need to dominate Indian Ocean. Even US Navy cannot do this.

We need to protect our coastline and EEZ. We need 6 Type 052Ds

 

[araz]

We need to protect our coastline and EEZ. We need 6 Type 052Ds

The cost of running 6 052s will take up the whole of Navy budget twice over. Then for 6 052s you will need a flotilla to cover the ship which would be another costly affair. Think along the lines of literal combat and we may be better off.
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[Armchair]

F-22P - 4
OHP - 1
054 - 4
Jinnah - 4
Yarmouk - 4
Azmat - 4 + 6
Agosta 90B - 3
Agosta 70 - 2
Chinese sub - 8

Total : 40
didnt count mine hunters and unarmed vessels. Also didn't count anything below 500 tons. Pakistan is supposedly building / acquiring SWAT submarines. Not sure if those should be counted but they would be potent vessels if in the 400 ton class or bigger. Again, not counted due to lack of information.

 

[Zarvan]

F-22P - 4
OHP - 1
054 - 4
Jinnah - 4
Yarmouk - 4
Azmat - 4 + 6
Agosta 90B - 3
Agosta 70 - 2
Chinese sub - 8

Total : 40
didnt count mine hunters and unarmed vessels. Also didn't count anything below 500 tons. Pakistan is supposedly building / acquiring SWAT submarines. Not sure if those should be counted but they would be potent vessels if in the 400 ton class or bigger. Again, not counted due to lack of information.

If you have seen Rafi post 30 to 40 is the size of Surface fleet. Submarines not included

F-22P - 4
OHP - 1
054 - 4
Jinnah - 4
Yarmouk - 4
Azmat - 4 + 6
Agosta 90B - 3
Agosta 70 - 2
Chinese sub - 8

Total : 40
didnt count mine hunters and unarmed vessels. Also didn't count anything below 500 tons. Pakistan is supposedly building / acquiring SWAT submarines. Not sure if those should be counted but they would be potent vessels if in the 400 ton class or bigger. Again, not counted due to lack of information.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

The cost of running 6 052s will take up the whole of Navy budget twice over. Then for 6 052s you will need a flotilla to cover the ship which would be another costly affair. Think along the lines of literal combat and we may be better off.
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We can add Jinnah Class too as its flotilla. Ok not 6 but 4 atleast