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Military conversion another 20 to 30 m $
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Only a few aircraft fit this criteria, and they are all narrow-body commercial airliners.
Unless PN is looking for Russian or Chinese aircraft, the only two options are Airbus 319MPA or Boeing 737 (on which the P-8 and the E-7 are based). It is clear PN is looking for P-3C replacement and answer to the P-8Is that India acquired.
The Bombardier G-6000 does not make the cut for neither the size, not the troop carrying capacity nor the weight carrying capability.
Unless PN is looking for Russian or Chinese aircraft, the only two options are Airbus 319MPA or Boeing 737 (on which the P-8 and the E-7 are based). It is clear PN is looking for P-3C replacement and answer to the P-8Is that India acquired.
The Bombardier G-6000 does not make the cut for neither the size, not the troop carrying capacity nor the weight carrying capability.
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P-8 is a no. We would have gone via FMS if we wanted it, not do a tender for an unequipped airliner. Also India are using it.
I think we will want something that is a step ahead
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Pakistan Navy Ship Yarmook visited Golcuk, Turkey as part of goodwill visit to enhance naval collaboration and develop interoperability with Turkish Navy. During the visit, Commanding Officer of PNS Yarmook called on important authorities of Turkish Navy and amply utilized the call to highlight atrocities of Indian Armed Forces in Indian Occupied Kashmir (IoK).
Upon arrival at port Golcuk, visiting Pakistan Navy Ship was extended warm welcome by Gulcuk authorities. Commanding Officer of PNS Yarmook called on Senior Naval Fleet Commanders and Mayor of Golcuk city. During the interactions, Commanding Officer conveyed sincere regards of Chief of the Naval Staff, Admiral Zafar Mahmood Abbasi for people of Turkey in general and Turkish Navy in particular. Both the sides displayed commitment to further enhance brotherly relations and expand bilateral cooperation in various domains. Pakistan’s sacrifices in fight against terrorism and Pakistan Navy’s role to ensure maritime security were also highlighted.
A reception dinner was also hosted onboard PNS Yarmook. Fleet Commander Turkish Navy, Vice Admiral Ercument Tallioglu graced the occasion as Chief Guest. Senior Officers of Turkish Navy along with a large number of diplomatic & local community representatives attended the event. On the occasion, deteriorating situation and human rights violations being committed by Indian Armed Forces against innocent people of Indian Occupied Kashmir (IoK) were also highlighted, which were well received by the attendees.
PNS Yarmook, a state of the art electronic warfare, anti-ship & anti-air warfare platform has recently been commissioned at Constanta Port, Romania. The Pakistan Navy Ship’s visit to various friendly ports during voyage back to homeland is aimed to strengthen friendly ties and develop interoperability with host navies.
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Upon arrival at port Golcuk, visiting Pakistan Navy Ship was extended warm welcome by Gulcuk authorities. Commanding Officer of PNS Yarmook called on Senior Naval Fleet Commanders and Mayor of Golcuk city. During the interactions, Commanding Officer conveyed sincere regards of Chief of the Naval Staff, Admiral Zafar Mahmood Abbasi for people of Turkey in general and Turkish Navy in particular. Both the sides displayed commitment to further enhance brotherly relations and expand bilateral cooperation in various domains. Pakistan’s sacrifices in fight against terrorism and Pakistan Navy’s role to ensure maritime security were also highlighted.
A reception dinner was also hosted onboard PNS Yarmook. Fleet Commander Turkish Navy, Vice Admiral Ercument Tallioglu graced the occasion as Chief Guest. Senior Officers of Turkish Navy along with a large number of diplomatic & local community representatives attended the event. On the occasion, deteriorating situation and human rights violations being committed by Indian Armed Forces against innocent people of Indian Occupied Kashmir (IoK) were also highlighted, which were well received by the attendees.
PNS Yarmook, a state of the art electronic warfare, anti-ship & anti-air warfare platform has recently been commissioned at Constanta Port, Romania. The Pakistan Navy Ship’s visit to various friendly ports during voyage back to homeland is aimed to strengthen friendly ties and develop interoperability with host navies.
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The challenge of manning Egypt’s new warships requires a navy capable of recruiting and training thousands of new sailors and personnel in a short amount of time.
Can the EN do it? The odds are not in their favour.
To meet future crew requirements (delivered + planned) the Egyptian Navy has to recruit/reassign, train/convert, and support approximately 4000 sailors.
A number approaching 20% of its total manpower.
Despite the introduction of new ships obsolete platforms have not been retired. Reluctance to sacrifice hulls and overall tonnage in favour of coherence.
Part of EN pride is overall size.
Means numbers have to be made up from new recruit pools rather than from existing crews.
The Egyptian Navy is manned by a mixture of officers, NCOs, and conscripts.
Officers/NCOs are consigned to leadership + technical roles while poorly trained conscripts make up numbers in areas deemed non-essential.
A problematic divide ignorant to certain specialist roles.
The Navy produces +/- one hundred officers per year while NCO troops are usually numbered in the dozens.
These are recruited into a 200+ ship force + dozens of other non-ship specialities/support & service roles.
The arrival of new ships means different training pipelines being stood up.
Delivered + planned ships since 2013 adds 11 classes to an already very diverse navy.
Credit: @D__Mitch
There isn't a one size fits all approach to training sailors.
Each seaman will require a specially tailored pipeline.
There are dozens of specialisms due to role requirements, equipment differences, weapons systems differences, and tactical considerations. (+ many more)
A further increase in variety complicates all of the above (+ a lot more).
All the while training and recruitment budgets haven’t received marked increases.
MoD happy to spend billions on warships and infrastructure to house them but little consideration paid to manning them
So how will they make up the difference? Shortcuts.
Efforts to mass produce sailors quickly and at the lowest possible expense.
We have already seen the Egyptian Navy request shorter training time for its crews abroad.
Contrary to public statements these sailors are not fully trained by the end and are still getting a grip on things despite their ships officially entering operational service.
The standard of Egyptian crews is often questionable at the best of times.
Dangerous game...
Rushing through short courses and not investing in training + facilities means sailors will completely miss out on vital phases.
Egyptian sailors on the whole are completely unprepared for firefighting and damage control/repair scenarios.
Life saving training ignored.
These numbers completely exclude the manpower required for support roles, service roles, command roles (150+ Mistral), combat roles (SF + Marine), and everything else that goes into making a modern navy.
You're asking a relatively modest navy to expand by 25% in ten years!
Delivered and in construction complements:
Type 209 (36 x 4) = 144
Mistral (160 x 2) = 320
FREMM Tahya Misr = 145
Gowind (65 x 4) = 260
Meko A200 (200 X 4) = 800
Pohang = 95
Ambassador (38 x 4) = 152
Molniya = 50
total = 1966 sailors
Known planned or under contract/negotiation complements:
FREMM Bergamini (200 x 6) = 1200
Meko A100 (100 x 2) = 200
Falaj II (28 x 20) = 560
total = 1960 sailors
Overall = 3926 sailors
These numbers are still likely to grow given the EN is not done yet!
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Can the EN do it? The odds are not in their favour.
To meet future crew requirements (delivered + planned) the Egyptian Navy has to recruit/reassign, train/convert, and support approximately 4000 sailors.
A number approaching 20% of its total manpower.
Despite the introduction of new ships obsolete platforms have not been retired. Reluctance to sacrifice hulls and overall tonnage in favour of coherence.
Part of EN pride is overall size.
Means numbers have to be made up from new recruit pools rather than from existing crews.
The Egyptian Navy is manned by a mixture of officers, NCOs, and conscripts.
Officers/NCOs are consigned to leadership + technical roles while poorly trained conscripts make up numbers in areas deemed non-essential.
A problematic divide ignorant to certain specialist roles.
The Navy produces +/- one hundred officers per year while NCO troops are usually numbered in the dozens.
These are recruited into a 200+ ship force + dozens of other non-ship specialities/support & service roles.
The arrival of new ships means different training pipelines being stood up.
Delivered + planned ships since 2013 adds 11 classes to an already very diverse navy.
Credit: @D__Mitch
There isn't a one size fits all approach to training sailors.
Each seaman will require a specially tailored pipeline.
There are dozens of specialisms due to role requirements, equipment differences, weapons systems differences, and tactical considerations. (+ many more)
A further increase in variety complicates all of the above (+ a lot more).
All the while training and recruitment budgets haven’t received marked increases.
MoD happy to spend billions on warships and infrastructure to house them but little consideration paid to manning them
So how will they make up the difference? Shortcuts.
Efforts to mass produce sailors quickly and at the lowest possible expense.
We have already seen the Egyptian Navy request shorter training time for its crews abroad.
Contrary to public statements these sailors are not fully trained by the end and are still getting a grip on things despite their ships officially entering operational service.
The standard of Egyptian crews is often questionable at the best of times.
Dangerous game...
Rushing through short courses and not investing in training + facilities means sailors will completely miss out on vital phases.
Egyptian sailors on the whole are completely unprepared for firefighting and damage control/repair scenarios.
Life saving training ignored.
These numbers completely exclude the manpower required for support roles, service roles, command roles (150+ Mistral), combat roles (SF + Marine), and everything else that goes into making a modern navy.
You're asking a relatively modest navy to expand by 25% in ten years!
Delivered and in construction complements:
Type 209 (36 x 4) = 144
Mistral (160 x 2) = 320
FREMM Tahya Misr = 145
Gowind (65 x 4) = 260
Meko A200 (200 X 4) = 800
Pohang = 95
Ambassador (38 x 4) = 152
Molniya = 50
total = 1966 sailors
Known planned or under contract/negotiation complements:
FREMM Bergamini (200 x 6) = 1200
Meko A100 (100 x 2) = 200
Falaj II (28 x 20) = 560
total = 1960 sailors
Overall = 3926 sailors
These numbers are still likely to grow given the EN is not done yet!
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Looks like Downsview air facility at Toronto??
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Well looks like they will go for AirBus A319
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No as per @Bilal Khan (Quwa) we are looking for Bombardier 6000 based MPA
Make sence we don't have big coast line to defend also I feel it will be EU based solution probably German or Italian?
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Yes, it's a Canadian company
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It's just my guess. Actually, the Global 6000 actually doesn't fall into the PN's tender requirements (MTOW is too light). But of the aircraft available on the market, it has a proven track record of military conversion work, and in multiple countries (including Turkey and UAE).
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