Pakistan Navy considering buying warships from China, Turkey

[pzfz]

the p8i should try and find a commercial jetliner first before it ventures into submarine...

 

[Tank131]

The look of type 057 is one that appears to be in the 4-5000t category. It has a whopping 48 vls cells 2 different types of ciws and 8 AShM. Depending on what the 16 cell midship vls size is you could see a mix of long/medium/short range missiles (ie 16 hq9 in midship vls with 32 forship vls for medium range missiles (dk10 vs hhq16) and 8 cell fl3000n in rear. Thats a potent air defense on a relatively small ship when compared to the firepower it brings

 

[C130]

The P-8I can try to find and kill subs no system is infallible and the more assets we have the more we can take them on

If you look at recent news with Russia getting involved with CPEC and more chinese naval assets n Pakistani waters and Arabian Sea alot of deals are big struck to ensure the security of Gwader

I agree, also if China shares Intel with Pakistan during a war this would also be a big advantage.

 

[Arsalan]

annddddd someone had to post a pic of that carrier with this news report....... just to get the fanboys going!!


By the way, a smart move it would be to look for such big money items from two different sources. Personally i have a feeling that our next light frigate or corvette purchase can be from Turkey with the slightly heavier and better AAW frigates coming China!!

 

[That Guy]

Pakistan has means of now developing a 4th generation fighter. They are now working on 5th generation doesnt mean they are building one, they are starting the Research and studies on how to develop one for future needs. just like jf17 super 7 project

Only partially true. Pakistan has the means to partly develop a 4th gen fighter. A lot vital technology is still out of Pakistan's reach, such as radar development, engine development, AAM development...etc. Assembling a new fighter is easy, any nation can do it with off the shelf products, developing a new fighter from scratch is hard.

 

[Muhammad Omar]

annddddd someone had to post a pic of that carrier with this news report....... just to get the fanboys going!!


By the way, a smart move it would be to look for such big money items from two different sources. Personally i have a feeling that our next light frigate or corvette purchase can be from Turkey with the slightly heavier and better AAW frigates coming China!!

Turkey is funding $400 million for the corvettes

 

[royalharris]

Turkey is funding $400 million for the corvettes

Hell nice

 

[waz]

Pakistan needs to work with China on surface vessels, it just all seems too late. The Navy is an outrageous state, yet BFF China, right next door, is churning warship after warship. It's time for Pakistan to get going and build it's long term plans.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

4-10 Full Frigates on Lease from China and 4-5 Corvette ships would be great with Turkey

Lease for CPEC Defence

And 4-5 Corvette Purchase from Turkey

 

[Muhammad Omar]

4-10 Full Frigates on Lease from China and 4-5 Corvette ships would be great with Turkey

Lease for CPEC Defence

And 4-5 Corvette Purchase from Turkey

Type 57 will be superior then type 54 PN should get type 57 and some frigates from turkey

 

[vizier]

Also all resources should not be spent on warships. Protecting warships needs serious long range sam capability and continious air cover(HQ9-16 is necessary on board some ships) which is expensive and considering current conditions it will take time for Pakistan to acquire these and still not a full guarantee to protect those expensive warships. Warships will be good if they have cruise missile capability giving you the second strike option and they have means to be protected from above. They can also alert your submarines about the location of enemy vessels detected by their radars from longer ranges than sub sonars.

Resources should be allocated to expand submarine fleet by producing hunter submarines. Subs dont show up on Indian radars unlike warships and no need to provide continious aircover by sams or interceptors. Only once in a while an anti submarine slow and large aircraft when detected from very far away bvr interceptor planes like Jf 17 can cope with it from 100+kms away and return back.

 

[alimobin memon]

Only partially true. Pakistan has the means to partly develop a 4th gen fighter. A lot vital technology is still out of Pakistan's reach, such as radar development, engine development, AAM development...etc. Assembling a new fighter is easy, any nation can do it with off the shelf products, developing a new fighter from scratch is hard.

arent radar systems and ew suites made in pakistan namely, RWR, MAW, KLJ7 is also now build in pakistan with indeginous parts. I am no engineer in that domain but parts like antenna, chips, transistors etc.

 

[Indus Falcon]

Sir, a bit of clarification would help. Type 054A or Type 057, which one?

Both, or either one. There is a price difference to be considered as well.

Secondly, it depends on the payment terms & tot terms as well.

As of yet, no decision has been taken, so lets see.

 

[That Guy]

arent radar systems and ew suites made in pakistan namely, RWR, MAW, KLJ7 is also now build in pakistan with indeginous parts. I am no engineer in that domain but parts like antenna, chips, transistors etc.

I won't comment with 100% certainty, but I believe most of those are still Chinese in terms of knowledge and technology, they just happen to be manufactured to a certain degree within Pakistan. They're all also for 4th gen fighters, not 5th gen.

For 5th gen, Pakistan would have to build from scratch, and the tech jump is an astronomical one.

 

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Local Air Defence Missile System For TF-2000

Defence acquisition agency Undersecretariat For Defence industries (UDI) has started a development project for air defence missiles to be used TF-2000 warship.

According to the website of UDI, the aim of the project is to procure short/medium and long-range air defence missile, which can be integrated with the combat management system, multi-purpose phased array radar system and TF-2000 platform and capable of force and zone air defense.

The project model is local development. There will be a short/medium ranged missile and a long ranged missile. The shot text also mentions the system of the missile. What we should understand from it is at the moment a bit unclear. The UDI states that a request for proposal regarding the design and development phase is under preparation.

At the moment Turkey has developed two air defence missiles:

• Hisar-A low altitude missile system
• Hisar-O medium altitude missile system.

These missiles were developed for the army to protect military bases, ports, facilities and troops against threats from the air. Their targets are military aircraft, attack helicopters, cruise missiles and unmanned aerial vehicles. According to Roketsan producer of the missiles, they present a modular structure with the integrity of a family and are designed to be compatible with different platform integrations.

Both missiles have high explosive fragment warhead, mid-course guidance with inertial navigation and data link terminal guidance with IIR (imaging infrared seeker). The range of Hisar-A is 15 km and the range of Hisar-O is 25km. It is too early to say, whether the recently announced naval air defence missiles will be developed from the existing Hisar missiles or build from the scratch.

The command and control and fire control systems for the land based Hisar air defence system is done by military electronics company Aselsan. Aselsan is also developing the phased array radar to be used for the TF-200 air defence frigate. Thus the development of the electronics for the air defence system will be carried out by them.

With the initiation of this project, Turkey takes another step to the realisation of TF-2000 air defence frigate.

https://turkishnavy.net/2016/12/05/local-air-defence-missile-system-for-tf-2000/