Pakistan Navy Commissions 2nd Marines Battalion

[TaimiKhan]

The radar controlled guns are not original Orliekon 35mm guns, rather the Chinese Type 90 ones which as per XYON were ordered in a US$ 35.0M deal under Adm Noman Bashir tenure.

 

[Inception-06]

ComiSSioNiNg CeReMonY of PaKisTaN NAVY'S MARINES - YouTube



Notice the new upgraded Chinese GDF Guns in service with the Pakistani marines !

 

[Jango]

What is the exact difference between the Chinese type 90 and the original Oerlikon 35 mm??

One thing that I do know is that the Chinese type 90 is GDF-002, while the original ones PA uses are GDF-005 and GDF-007 (AHEAD modified).

Any other reason for going with the Chinese guns? Cost or something?

 

[razgriz19]

The radar controlled guns are not original Orliekon 35mm guns, rather the Chinese Type 90 ones which as per XYON were ordered in a US$ 35.0M deal under Adm Noman Bashir tenure.

are these type 90 guns as effective as the Oerlikon?
and do they have anything similar to AHEAD rounds system?

 

[Safriz]

ww.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/karachi/17-Oct-2012/complex-geo-strategic-position-calls-for-high-preparedness-sandila



KARACHI - The 2012 edition of the annual Pakistan Maritime Exercise Sea Spark debrief session concluded at PNS Jauhar on Tuesday.Chief of the Naval Staff, Admiral Mohammad Asif Sandila, along with the higher commands, attended the debrief session.The Seaspark exercise, being a permanent feature of Pakistan Navy’s operational calendar, was conducted with the main objective to assess the operational readiness and provide an opportunity to the officers and men to operate under multi-threat environment and exercise responses accordingly.The exercise planning was based on manifestation of Chief of the Naval Staff’s declared strategic priorities of “Ops Readiness and Training”. All operational ships, submarines, aircraft, marines, special forces and establishments, which also included elements/supporting units from Pakistan Army and PAF, participated to cover the entire gamut of Naval operations. Later, Officer Conducting Exercise (OCE); the Deputy Chief of the Naval Staff Operations, Rear Admiral Hasham Bin Siddique, presented the analysis of the tactical actions followed by each force and concurrently gave recommendations to further improve the Responses accordingly. In his closing remarks, the Chief of the Naval Staff Admiral Muhammad Asif Sandila said that complex geostrategic situation in our region warrants a high state of preparedness.The Chief of the Naval Staff expressed his satisfaction on successful conduct of Exercise Sea Spark 2012. He said that the exercise was well utilised to validate PN concept of security, PN counter piracy plan, utilisation of ships, submarines, aircraft and other components, employment of PAF AEW aircraft in support of maritime ops and integration of Z9-EC helicopters to PN fleet. He added that the effective ground based air defence and successful firing of surface to air missiles and radar controlled guns are a source of satisfaction.

 

[TaimiKhan]

What is the exact difference between the Chinese type 90 and the original Oerlikon 35 mm??

One thing that I do know is that the Chinese type 90 is GDF-002, while the original ones PA uses are GDF-005 and GDF-007 (AHEAD modified).

Any other reason for going with the Chinese guns? Cost or something?

PA has close to 200 GDF-002 and some modern GDF-005 units, which may have been modified to fire AHEAD rounds.

Chinese Type 90 may be based on the GDF-002 design, but as per Chinese sources, it may have capabilities of what the GDF-005, that is 3D tracking & laser range finder systems etc.

Type 90 Twin-35mm Towed Anti-Aircraft Artillery - SinoDefence.com

Do remember, Chinese bought some GDF-002 systems in 1980s and they inducted the system in late 1990s, and today its 2012, Type-90 is not what GDF-002 was, we all know Chinese have a habit of improving systems which they copy.

Here see Chinese Mobile Type-90 system with muzzle velocity measuring devices, which are used in AHEAD technology, and many new Chinese AA systems are coming with such muzzle velocity measuring devices, suggesting that China has obtained this technology.

http://www.ausairpower.net/PLA/CSSA-1-SPAAG-1S.jpg

Now its to be seen if the PN systems had such devices on the barrel end, if they had, it means they have gotten the AHEAD tech, if not, that means these are simple AA guns.

are these type 90 guns as effective as the Oerlikon?
and do they have anything similar to AHEAD rounds system?

Yeah they are as good as it gets, if not equal to original Orliekons, they would be very very near to them. Chinese army is now revolving around the 35mm gun concept and all their newer towed & armor based AA systems are 35mm caliber.

Here see the newly introduced armor platform system with muzzle velocity devices:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-U_8Rx0C7h...00/self-propelled+anti-aircraft+artillery.jpg




Further reads:

Rheinmetall Defence - 04/21/2009: 35mm AHEAD ammunition – a reliable answer to the RAM threat

35 x 228 RWM AHEAD / KETF ammunition (Switzerland) - Jane's Ammunition Handbook

 

[Inception-06]

The radar controlled guns are not original Orliekon 35mm guns, rather the Chinese Type 90 ones which as per XYON were ordered in a US$ 35.0M deal under Adm Noman Bashir tenure.

For 35.0M how many of this AA Guns Pakistan did get ?

 

[TaimiKhan]

For 35.0M how many of this AA Guns Pakistan did get ?

10 pairs, meaning 20 guns with 10 radars.

2 gun systems plus one fire control radar make one battery.

Thus 10 battery strength.

 

[Inception-06]

10 pairs, meaning 20 guns with 10 radars.

2 gun systems plus one fire control radar make one battery.

Thus 10 battery strength.

which area or surface can 10 batterrys coverage ? for example 50Km2 ? or more ?

 

[PiyaraPakistan]

GDF-005 with or without AHEAD system
Range 4.0 km vs aircraft

Type - 90
Range 3.2 km vs aircraft, 4 km vs ground targets

 

[Arsalan]

Oerlikon 35mm Ammo Production in Pakistan:

Pakistan Ordnance Factories (POF) Pakistan’s premier Defence Industrial Establishment has concluded a joint venture with a European giant for high technology weapons system in april 2009. Chairman POF Board Lieutenant General Syed Sabahat Husain from POF and Peter Weilenmann President from Oerlikon (Waffer Rheinmetall Munition) of Switzerland signed a letter of understanding on the 2nd day of the defence exhibition IDEF-2009 being held at Istanbul Turkey for co-production & co-marketing of 35mm Air Defence Ammo at POF.

The AA Guns, these one we are talking about that are with PN Marines Battalion were produced at HMC Taxila.
By the way things turned out during the course of this production order, we may well see more coming out soon, as point defense system!

 

[Inception-06]

The AA Guns, these one we are talking about that are with PN Marines Battalion were produced at HMC Taxila.
By the way things turned out during the course of this production order, we may well see more coming out soon, as point defense system!

are you sure that Pakistan is producing GDF 35mm AA Guns and not the Type 65/74 Twin-37mm Towed Anti-Aircraft Artillery (upgraded Versions were shown on Pakistan Ideas 2008) ?

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/2818/aaatype74modillustratiopb2.jpg

 

[Arsalan]

are you sure that Pakistan is producing GDF 35mm AA Guns and not the Type 65/74 Twin-37mm Towed Anti-Aircraft Artillery (upgraded Versions were shown on Pakistan Ideas 2008) ?

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/2818/aaatype74modillustratiopb2.jpg

the ones i know about, being manufactured in HMC were 35mm.
However will surely re-confirm and perhaps try and get some numbers.

regards!

 

[fatman17]

are you sure that Pakistan is producing GDF 35mm AA Guns and not the Type 65/74 Twin-37mm Towed Anti-Aircraft Artillery (upgraded Versions were shown on Pakistan Ideas 2008) ?

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/2818/aaatype74modillustratiopb2.jpg

no sir this is not it.

 

[Inception-06]

the ones i know about, being manufactured in HMC were 35mm.
However will surely re-confirm and perhaps try and get some numbers.

regards!

Thank you for the answer Brother !

Pakistan Zindabad !

regards Khalid !

no sir this is not it.

Thank you als for the answer Brother !

Pakistan Zindabad !

regards Khalid !