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P3Cs have become old and need to be replaced. We need LRMPAs to counter the submarines otherwise the Indian subs can take out our Surface fleets


Would Thunder have the range? It would need range in sea and by having 2 CM 400AKG, you wont be having Fuel Tanks
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There is no term "OLD" in aviation.

All aircraft have an air-frame service life and then major components service life.
No aircraft is flown after it ends these service life limit.

Major Components are changed/overhauled at their due time to extend their service life.
Air-frames are upgraded during the Mid-life Upgrade, if required which extends their service life limit.

No aviation operator flies aircraft after the service life limits are reached.

These aircraft and other equipment is worth billions of dollars and are not just discarded as just being "OLD".
 
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P3Cs have become old and need to be replaced. We need LRMPAs to counter the submarines otherwise the Indian subs can take out our Surface fleets


Would Thunder have the range? It would need range in sea and by having 2 CM 400AKG, you wont be having Fuel Tanks
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Hi,

I can tell that you hardly read---and that subject of physics was not in your curiculum and you have a tendency to believe that all new is good.

It does not work that way with surveillance aircraft.

Paf pilots think that it is the 'man behind the machine'---.

Well---the navy thinks that it is the man behind the screen.
 
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Some archives pictures I found.
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Does anyone know the current staus of decommissioned Lynx Helicopters.
They were on sales 8 - 10 years ago.
 
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Does anyone know the current staus of decommissioned Lynx Helicopters.
They were on sales 8 - 10 years ago.

Lynx recently put on static display @ Maritime Museum Karsaz-Karachi
 

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Does that mean that UCAV will carry AShM and/or Torpedoes?? Can it be Suicide Drones?
Depends what kind of UCAV, if it has internal bays or external hard points only. You can read about Boeing Loyal wingman UCAV. It has Two internal weapons bays allow for a 500-pound weapons payload for two GBU-39 small-diameter bombs, while there is also scope for underwing hardpoints to be included.
 
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type Z-9 multipurpose helicopter / WuZi-9 gunship

The Zhi-9C carrier-based model is actually improved based on the Zhi-9, and has nothing to do with the French "Dolphin" carrier-based " Black Panther ". On December 2, 1987, the first flight of the Zhi-9C carrier-based helicopter modified for the Navy was successful. It landed smoothly on the ship on December 24, and adopted the fast landing mooring device developed by China Helicopter Design. The finalized Type C is equipped with a nose radar, which can carry 2 "Tu-7" torpedoes for anti-submarine missions. Yu-7 mimics the US military MK-46 torpedoes captured by Hainan Islander fishermen, and its performance is close to MK-46. Our army also uses anti-submarine warfare such as 109 anti-submarine torpedoes, 250 kg and 100 kg bombs, and must use torpedo attacks on submarine targets with a depth of more than 300 meters. The picture below is the straight -9C.

Z-9 multipurpose helicopter / WuZi-9 gunship

The following pictures are "Black Panther", the details are different from the Zhi-9C. The details are as follows: The nose radome of the Zhi-9C is larger and thicker than the "Black Panther"; the two airspeed tubes of the Zhi-9C are located under the nose radome, and the "Black Panther" is on both sides of the nose. The driver's observation window behind the Zhi-9C radome is small and the same size, while the "Black Panther" is right-right and left-small; the Zhi-9C can hang two torpedoes, and its hanger extends from under the fuselage. The "Black Panther" can only hang one, the rack is on the left side of the fuselage; the straight -9C rear cabin door is smaller than the "Black Panther", the glass windows are square, the "Black Panther" has rounded corners; the straight -9C rear machine No linear antenna like "Panther" on his body.

Z-9 multipurpose helicopter / WuZi-9 gunship

The anti-submarine detection equipment carried by the aircraft includes sonar buoys, suspended sonars, and magnetic anomaly detectors. Three types of equipment are used to search, locate, and check whether the target exists. When the helicopter is flying at an altitude of 120 meters, it can receive signals from buoys within 10 nautical miles, with an effective range of 10 kilometers. A group of buoys includes 12 sonar buoys, with a barrel length of 305mm, a diameter of 124mm, and a weight of 5 kg. It uses passive omnidirectional detection technology. There are also four active sonar buoys, each 914mm in length, 124mm in diameter, and weighing 16 kg. There is also a temperature detection buoy and a marine environment buoy. The pendant sonar is type 605, which is the second generation of our country's imitation of the American AN / AQS-13 sonar, with a working distance of 34 to 64 chains and a full set weight of 320 kg. The French HS-73 sonar has a working distance of only 50 chains in the 80-meter deep sea area.

Z-9 multipurpose helicopter / WuZi-9 gunship

Z-9 multipurpose helicopter / WuZi-9 gunship

The straight -9C in the picture below is quite special. Its belly is equipped with a harpoon landing aid. As the name suggests, this is a harpoon-like rod, and the ship deck has a metal plate with a lot of meshes. The "harpoon" is inserted into the mesh during landing, which can be quickly fixed on a shaking ship aircraft.

Z-9 multipurpose helicopter / WuZi-9 gunship

Zhi-9 landed on our warship. Surprisingly, although the "Black Panther" and Zhi-9C have been equipped with troops for a long time, it was not until the end of 2004 that they completed the training task of taking off and landing at night for the first time. The take-off and landing training location is within line of sight of the port, not in the distant open sea. Naval helicopters have long been affiliated with shore-based establishments, and maintenance, training, and other surface ships are basically separated from each other. This year, they have gradually moved to surface ships to conduct joint training. Their actual combat effectiveness is still at the beginning. stage. Air Force World http://www.airforceworld.com

Z-9 multipurpose helicopter / WuZi-9 gunship

Inside the open -9 hood below is the KLC-1 X-band multi-function helicopter-borne surveillance radar developed by Nanjing Electronics Research Institute. The radar has good sea surface search and reconnaissance capabilities. The data communication system can transmit the detected sea surface tactical situation and target information to the ground or ship's command post. As long as it is used to provide trans-horizon detection capabilities and relays for C-801A and C-803 trans-horizon anti-ship missiles. Its structure is simple and has good mid-range and short-range detection performance. The main functions include: sea surface surveillance, providing sea surface air situation display, searching and tracking sea surface ship targets, providing over-the-horizon target indication for ship missile and land ship missile attack, auxiliary navigation, weather detection, beacon function, passive detection . The main feature is an elliptical parabolic antenna made of lightweight carbon fiber reinforced plastic with a compact structure. The design incorporates advanced processing technology to improve the target detection capability under strong sea clutter. Advanced technologies such as pulse compression, frequency agility, narrow pulse signals, wide frequency bands, CFAR detection, electronic countermeasures, programmable signal and data processing systems, and in-machine self-tests are used. It weighs 82 kg. The search distance and adaptable sea conditions for different targets are: fishing boat, 50 nautical miles, IIII sea situation; small and medium-sized ships, 64 nautical miles, IIII sea situation.

Z-9 multipurpose helicopter / WuZi-9 gunship

KLC-1 has an important position in the history of radar development in China. It is China's first carrier-based airborne radar, which must be able to withstand various erosion during maritime navigation. Nanjing Electronics Research Institute and Guangzhou No. 5 Institute of the Ministry of Information Industry jointly completed the anti-corrosion work of KLC-1, and properly handled raw materials, printed boards, dipping, filling, insulation, plugging and chassis, ensuring This kind of shipborne airborne radar reliability.
The following picture shows the Zhi-9 introduced by Pakistan

Z-9 multipurpose helicopter / WuZi-9 gunship

The picture below shows the Z-9 search and rescue type carried by the destroyer 167.

Z-9 multipurpose helicopter / WuZi-9 gunship

Basic technical data

Rotor diameter 11.93 meters
Tail rotor diameter 0.90 m
Captain 13.46 meters
Captain (rotor, tail rotor folding) 11.44 meters
Machine height (folded rotor and tail rotor) 3.21 meters

Weight and load (A: straight-9, B: straight-9A)
Empty weight (A) 1975 kg, (B) 2050 kg
Maximum payload (A) 1863 kg, (B) 2038 kg
Takeoff weight (A) 3850 kg, (B) 4100 kg
Maximum hanging load of 1600 kg
Maximum level flight speed 306 km / h
Normal cruising speed (A, total weight 3850 kg) 250 ~ 260 km / h
Vertical climb rate (sea level) (A) 4.2 m / s, (B) 4.1 m / s
Practical ceiling (A) 4500 meters, (B) 6000 meters
Hovering height (with ground effect) (A) 1950 meters, (B) 2600 meters, (without ground effects) (A) 1020 meters, (B) 1600 meters
Ferry range 1000 km
5 hours maximum endurance
Maximum practical overload 3.5G (load capacity 3200 kg)



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No country would buy them as Pakistan bought second hand helicopters in 1994 (they were built in 1976 & 1977). They were also not upgraded to the HAS.8 standard but were HAS.3 ... and of course, any country operating naval variants of Lynx bought the Super Lynx and would have no use for these old second hand machines. Not to mention, if anyone wanted to buy them, they would do so from UK itself along with a proper spares contract etc. It was a bad purchase to begin with sadly.
 
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Is PN looking to acquire it's own fighter fleet? I heard China is gifting Pakistan some JH-7Bs.

I guess it's good for PN.

Moreover, does PN needs more Sea Kings from ex-operators?
 
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Is PN looking to acquire it's own fighter fleet? I heard China is gifting Pakistan some JH-7Bs.

I guess it's good for PN.

Moreover, does PN needs more Sea Kings from ex-operators?

Whom did you hear that from?
PN got a couple used ones for the interim but they need to replace the Sea King with a newer helicopter. Very soon supporting the Sea King will become untenable and expensive.
 
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