Pakistan-Israel relationship

[hunter_hunted]

If they can help India in their UAV program, why can't they help us in our space program? Israel has successfully launched several rockets into space for your info.

Then again what is the issue from getting help from China with no strings attached, give me good answer or dont quote me PHALEZZZZZZ

 

[Jungibaaz]

All arab countries have good relations with India. No one cares about Pakistan rivalry with India.

Only Pakistanis are too emotional and stay away from Israel, off-course for their Arab dear and near ones lol

You're 100% right. Only Pakistanis stupidly stick their necks out for others, sacrificing their own interests for the sake of pride and friends who then, quite rightly put their interests before ours.

 

[Solomon2]

And how about this page Israel–Pakistan relations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

@500, my Hebrew isn't so good, could you please check footnote 22 in the Wiki for accuracy? The claim that Israelis can't travel to Pakistan? Thanks.

 

[rockstar08]

Our founding father was pro-Qadiani i.e. he believed Qadianis were Muslims. He also wanted Indo-Pak relations to be just like US and Canada. But since its not part of your Jew / Israel bashing agenda, so you don't care.

ary bhai , i dont have any agenda , why positioning your guns at me ?
all i am saying its not easy to build relationship with Israel , this will create a negative impact on our society , not everyone is mullah , nor every one is in favor of building relationship with Israel , if someone disagree with your point of view ,listen not shot

 

[Norwegian]

Then again what is the issue from getting help from China with no strings attached, give me good answer or dont quote me PHALEZZZZZZ

We have no problem getting help from the Chinese. But Israelis have quality products unlike China

You're 100% right. Only Pakistanis stupidly stick their necks out for others, sacrificing their own interests for the sake of pride and friends who then, quite rightly put their interests before ours.

Well, there is a reason we are called Pakistanis

all i am saying its not easy to build relationship with Israel , this will create a negative impact on our society , not everyone is mullah , nor every one is in favor of building relationship with Israel , if someone disagree with your point of view ,listen not shot

Really? How many Pakistanis are in favor of any relation with our "enemy" USA? Yet we have had extremely good relations with the 'Big Satan', best friend of Israel since our inception. Ayub, Zia, Musharraf all loved US and would even sell their motherland for their interests. So why is tiny Israel such a sensitive issue?

 

[Irfan Baloch]

What if the Pakistani government decided to start the new year by announcing that it was normalizing relations with Israel, that the Palestinian Arabs demands were excessive, and that killing Jews for the sake of another Arab conquest should be considered a crime?

What feelings would that inspire in Pakistanis? Anger? Disbelief? Hope? Discuss.

why establish relations with Israel and give yet another target to the terrorists?
that said
Israeli treatment of Palestinians is same as our treatment of Shia Hazara and the Ahmedis so we can find plenty in common here and if that's not convincing enough then I can prove that we Pakistanis are joined to the hips to the Israelis
Brigadier Zia, Jordan , Black September and Palestinians.. do I need to say more?

 

[Falcon29]

Pakistani people shouldn't support relations with state violating international law. If the government has some sort of ties behind the scenes doesn't mean we as people should support them. Remember that in Arab countries, if you speak against royal family you will be tortured in prison immediately if not killed/sentenced for decades. Arab people don't support policies of their governments but they are terrified to speak out. It is danger for their families.

Also remember there is censorship. Yesterday I posted on Al-Arabiya's facebook page. About need for Arabs/Muslims to unity and object to our rulers and protect our peoples from aggression. Many people agreed with me and had guts to speak out. But, some were Saudi's living elsewhere. None from Saudi spoke because it is danger for them. We had great sense of unity and conversation started beginning. And the people admitted there is something wrong and we need solution soon. After that, Al-Arabiya deleted all my comments/conversatons and blocked me from their page so I can't comment anymore.

 

[Sugarcane]

i am with the execution but you cant execute a person , for protesting against Israel ? and dont forget our Founder were against the creation of Israel ... lots of question will rise ,

That's hypocrisy on your part, MAJ also didn't declared Ahmadiyas as Kaafirs infect they were in his team and have done lot of contribution in convincing people of rural Punjab to support Pakistan cause, nor he ever said that minorities in Pakistan will not have equal rights. I am sure if MAJ was alive to day, he would have already established normal relations with Israel because he was practical man and today Israel is reality which can't be undone.

 

[hunter_hunted]

We have no problem getting help from the Chinese. But Israelis have quality products unlike China


Well, there is a reason we are called Pakistanis


Really? How many Pakistanis are in favor or any relation with our "enemy" USA? Yet we have had extremely good relations with the 'Big Satan', best friend of Israel since our inception. Ayub, Zia, Musharraf all loved US and would even sell their motherland for their interests. So why is tiny Israel such a sensitive issue?

Hahahaha exactly thats what i thought no answer just some random hibly dibly . OK bye be happy with your Israhell

 

[Neemo neemo]

I have always believed that Pakistan and Israel should have normal relations , " One man's war is not others to fight " as much I support and feel for Palestine and its people one must look at real facts humans on both side die almost everyday again it always takes two there is always a two sided story never just one it takes two to tango and etc & etc several examples are there. We will only gain not loose by having relations with them simple as that I say why not what's the issue one issue does remain the main cause of problems in Pakistan and other muslim states the wrong mullahs sad as it seems its reality which we must wake up about we should move forward in the world not move back to the stone age with the wrong mullahs .

So you will go against the wish of your Qaid-e-azam?
I call it f***ed up priorities.

 

[Norwegian]

So you will go against the wish of your Qaid-e-azam?
I call it f***ed up priorities.

These trolls are already going against Qaid's vision for Pakistan that was a secular state and not an Islamic terrorist state.

 

[MastanKhan]

As I've pointed out so many times, the "Jews/Zionists are evil so Israel must be destroyed" meme so popular in Pakistan is a bunch of baloney. I argue those who claim otherwise into silence, circular arguments, or empty repetition, proving them either misguided or evil-seeking obscurantists. All this Zionist-hatred is keeping Pakistanis from thinking logically and morally and thus is feeding the terrorist monsters. So why shouldn't Pakistanis support normalizing relations with Israel as Pakistan has with Russia, India, or the rest of the world?

The short answer is that the Pakistani government has dictated that Pakistanis are not to question Pakistan's stance and that it is forbidden to represent Israel or the Israeli point of view accurately - a matter of blind loyalty reducing Pakistanis from citizens to mere subjects of the state, and slaving their own decision-making to the will of others. One human rights organization called this "an attack on fundamental freedoms:"

The directive is a product of a shallow and fascistic mindset that leads to radicalization in the society. It is also an attempt at institutionalizing mass clampdown of fundamental rights such as freedom of expression and assembly. It is unfortunate and condemnable that critical thinking is being banned in universities, instead of being encouraged and inculcated among the youth of Pakistan.​

Yet maybe we could view the move in a different light, opening the room for more flexibility by the Pakistani government.

What if the Pakistani government decided to start the new year by announcing that it was normalizing relations with Israel, that the Palestinian Arabs demands were excessive, and that killing Jews for the sake of another Arab conquest should be considered a crime?

What feelings would that inspire in Pakistanis? Anger? Disbelief? Hope? Discuss.

Sir,

What a bunch of bullcrap you have posted----.

Why did the germans think jews were evil---why did the French think the jews were evil---why did the british think that the jews were evil---why in Africa people thought tha the jews were evil. Over thousands f years---wherever you went---people ended up thinking of jews as evil.

Those people may have a eason to think so----byt what reason do we have---you don't live amongst us----you don't deal with us---not every Pakistani citizen is controlled by jew loan sharks---so there is no reason for the hate because there is no reason to---.

Hate comes from fear---pakistanis don't fear Israel---. We do have difference of opinion---and that dos not transcend into hate.

 

[Metanoia]

These trolls are already going against Qaid's vision for Pakistan that was a secular state and not an Islamic terrorist state.

I am assuming he is drunk...or perhaps a bit confused.

Earlier he misquoted me...and now he is quoting TOPGUN on something completely irrelevant.

 

[Sugarcane]

i am with the execution but you cant execute a person , for protesting against Israel

These coward burka poosh mullah haven't killed anybody themselves but their sermons have led to lost of innocent people. I 100% support mass killing of this creed to protect humanity.

 

[Solomon2]

why establish relations with Israel and give yet another target to the terrorists?

The Pakistanis making that decision are already targets of terrorists so their additional risk would be minimal whereas the personal benefit of defiance in the face of terrorist threats would boost Pakistani morale, yes?

that said Israeli treatment of Palestinians is same as our treatment of Shia Hazara and the Ahmedis -

Sorry, no, you're wrong there. I think you're trying to extrapolate your experience on the basis of the misperception that both Pakistan and Israel are "founded upon religion".

...I can prove that we Pakistanis are joined to the hips to the Israelis Brigadier Zia, Jordan , Black September and Palestinians.. do I need to say more?

However, these covert relations deprive Pakistanis of the psychological and economic benefits of open relationships. It's time for both Israel and Pakistan to move beyond these. I would ignore any objections of the ISI or Mossad - bureaucracies tend to put their own interests first in such matters.

Sir,
What a bunch of bullcrap you have posted----.
Why did the germans think jews were evil---why did the French think the jews were evil---why did the british think that the jews were evil---why in Africa people thought tha the jews were evil. Over thousands f years---wherever you went---people ended up thinking of jews as evil.

Yep. It's a good question. And the Germans, French, et al have no good answers, only embarrassing ones.