Pakistan in talks for 4 Ada Class Corvettes, T-129 Helicopters & modernization of agosta fleet

[ghazi52]

Turkey's STM says MILGEM warship contract negotiations with Pakistan and SaudiArabia in 'advanced stages'. Expecting signatures from Pakistan (4 ships) and Saudi Arabia (5 ships) soon.

 

[Gryphon]

What is better in ada that is not in 056 corvette chinese

Ada is a much larger ship - roughly 1000 tons more in displacement. Not an appropriate comparison.

 

[alimobin memon]

Ada is a much larger ship - roughly 1000 tons more in displacement. Not an appropriate comparison.

They both can be compared both provide same stuff mostly. 056 has hangar version other than that both are same and can be equipped with bigger cell PDMS.

if ada class corvetter is bought I dont see its importance. if its atleast tf100 than ok else its expensive and does not provide the bang for a buck.

I think if SSTD is offered with ada then its good too.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Time to lie down and put my Music on , and wait for post election days

 

[Gryphon]

They both can be compared both provide same stuff mostly. 056 has hangar version other than that both are same and can be equipped with bigger cell PDMS.

Ada is superior in all areas - ASW, AShW and AAW. The sensor suite as well.

Ada has hangar for a 10 ton helicopter (i.e. Sea King with its load of Exocet's and ASW weapons). Type 056's helicopter deck can support a light utility helicopter, and there is no hangar at all.

1x 8-cell HHQ-10 launcher (on Type 056) vs 1x 21-cell RAM launcher (on Ada).

 

[MastanKhan]

Ada is superior in all areas - ASW, AShW and AAW. The sensor suite as well.

Ada has hangar for a 10 ton helicopter (i.e. Sea King with its load of Exocet's and ASW weapons). Type 056's helicopter deck can support a light utility helicopter, and there is no hangar at all.

1x 8-cell HHQ-10 launcher (on Type 056) vs 1x 21-cell RAM launcher (on Ada).

Hi,

Thanks for your post---many a people have no concept that just because there is a helipad---all choppers can land on it---.

Thanks for telling us that helipads have different weight ratings---.

 

[Kamil_baku]

Ada is the only one that has anti-torpedo Torpedo..
if the Torpedo pass through set of passive measures, it will be destroyed by a light torpedo.. its a very high level of protection...
Also in Chinese option, the hull needs update after 10 years because of erosion, but its 30 years for Turkish ships..
also, you can update it with Aesa radar and EW suite in the near future. EW suite passed all tests some days ago and proved itself against todays missiles

 

[CHI RULES]

Many people here are not considering stealth aspects of ADA class. Even if it has short range SAM it has capability to defend itself as it shall be not easy to target it from long ranges. Even Umokhonto VLS can be installed on it if require enhanced AD with 40KM range. These ADA class corvettes shall be for defensive roles meanwhile Chinese frigates shall be there for offensive roles.

 

[royalharris]

Ada is the only one that has anti-torpedo Torpedo..
if the Torpedo pass through set of passive measures, it will be destroyed by a light torpedo.. its a very high level of protection...
Also in Chinese option, the hull needs update after 10 years because of erosion, but its 30 years for Turkish ships..
also, you can update it with Aesa radar and EW suite in the near future. EW suite passed all tests some days ago and proved itself against todays missiles

There are so many chinese Navy ships ,which one you are going to talk about
For new one ,like 054A,052C,052D,055,001,002,003; for old one, there are so many, i can't remember

Chinese opition need update after 10 years, for turkish one, it is 30 years. where did you get these data?
Have ada class came into service over 30 years? or have relative old 054A updated every 10 years?

Turkey can sell whatever they have to pakistan only if pakistan believe
We even wish there are more JVs between turkey and pakistan from military to ecnomy to help pakistan, for example, JV on TFX, exchange between ada class and JF17, exchange between JF17 and T129, but don't undermine us

 

[Kamil_baku]

There are so many chinese Navy ships ,which one you are going to talk about
For new one ,like 054A,052C,052D,055,001,002,003; for old one, there are so many, i can't remember

Chinese opition need update after 10 years, for turkish one, it is 30 years. where did you get these data?
Have ada class came into service over 30 years? or have relative old 054A updated every 10 years?

Turkey can sell whatever they have to pakistan only if pakistan believe
We even wish there are more JVs between turkey and pakistan from military to ecnomy to help pakistan, for example, JV on TFX, exchange between ada class and JF17, exchange between JF17 and T129, but don't undermine us

Bro nobody undermines you. All Turkish people want to help Pakistan with all they got..

Its Pakistans problem that they dont join TFX, definitely not the Turkish side.. Turkey need money so bad that making sure that Pakistan will also order it, would be great for Turkey. But seems like Pakistan still dont believe Turkish capabilities which i can understand. India trusted Russia and failed...

With Todays Turkish government, there are ready to share TOT with any muslim country as they did with Malasia, Indonesia.. they have a dream to push muslim countries up with technology. I believe ADA corvette and T129 is also part of this strategy.

 

[Kamil_baku]

There are so many chinese Navy ships ,which one you are going to talk about
For new one ,like 054A,052C,052D,055,001,002,003; for old one, there are so many, i can't remember

Chinese opition need update after 10 years, for turkish one, it is 30 years. where did you get these data?
Have ada class came into service over 30 years? or have relative old 054A updated every 10 years?

Turkey can sell whatever they have to pakistan only if pakistan believe
We even wish there are more JVs between turkey and pakistan from military to ecnomy to help pakistan, for example, JV on TFX, exchange between ada class and JF17, exchange between JF17 and T129, but don't undermine us

With todays technology, you can actually test aircraft and navy vehicles within 2 years such as they passed 30 years in service. You can watch Hurkush video to see the technology.

 

[royalharris]

The steel standard called "yield", are measured in Pascal, ordinary civilian ship was only 250Mpa. Ordinary warships are also required around 300Mpa. And usually a fixed wing aircraft carrier will be around 700Mpa.

The Soviet special steel is the most yielding special steel in the world (because the Soviet submarines require higher than the aircraft carrier). The highest can exceed 1000Mpa, only used on submarines, by the Soviet government as a strategic material, not allowed to export without authorization.

The US aircraft carrier mainly uses the HY series, the yield strength of HY-80 is 550Mpa, HY-100 is 690Mpa, HY-130 is 890 Mpa, and it is not allowed to export without the US government authorization as strategic material.

France can only make steel with a yield of 550Mpa, since France does not restrict the export of such steel, so the best steel can be bought on the market. Britain can't make it itself, buys from France.
The French "De Gaulle" aircraft carrier imported American special steel.
Elizabeth, the British aircraft carrier, broke a bearing during the sea trial this year, and the problem came out of the material.

Chinese military steel has 590Mpa 921 steel and 785 Mpa 980 super steel, the former is HY80 grade, and the latter is HY100 level. chinese aircraft carrier use another kind of steel which is better than 980 super steel. it is confident , no one know the exact information

The top steel in the United States, China, Russia, usally can not be bought
People, before openning mouth, open the eyes first, use the brain

 

[royalharris]

Ada class has a fancy looking design
we wish your cooperation come true only if pakistan think it is necesary with good quality


China's target market is wide like the ocean, not just Pakistan
we never push pakistan to buy our navy ships、submarines、missiles、fighters and UAVs, pakistan is the decision maker, we believe it can make right choice to suit its interest.

Chinese never say turkish product is crap, and words like this, although we know the real situation.
So just do your bussiness, leave us alone

 

[alimobin memon]

Ada is superior in all areas - ASW, AShW and AAW. The sensor suite as well.

Ada has hangar for a 10 ton helicopter (i.e. Sea King with its load of Exocet's and ASW weapons). Type 056's helicopter deck can support a light utility helicopter, and there is no hangar at all.

1x 8-cell HHQ-10 launcher (on Type 056) vs 1x 21-cell RAM launcher (on Ada).

There is variant with hangar version with medium lift helicopter that is offered too. and a 24 cell HHQ 10 version for ships too. Surface Ship Torpedo Defense is one of the reasons I see Ada is better. The major reason I see is diplomatic decision to create more/even better ties with Turkish people.

You cannot say Chinese Avionics suite is inferior, times have changed the rate at which Chinese are getting upper hand in technology its not more than a decade the suites will be better than most of what will be available at that time. Current Chinese naval platform have done some serious things like Chinese sub getting closer to american carrier group. Avionics wise we cant compare both of the ships, we don't know what both are offering.

There are several variants of 056 corvette. Not to mention the one variant for Argentina that only adds the additional 300 ton displacement for enhanced area for hanger and accommodates the ~9 ton helicopter named sea king. So it can be assumed that 10 ton helicopter is no exception.

Further more the newer variants have option for advanced suites and weaponry even 24 Cell FL3000 N can be equipped as the dimensions do not vary much for base 8 cell one so it can be equipped to same area.

with base cost of 200 million dollar of 056 and ada class corvette at 260 million dollar their is enough room to replace base 056 weaponry with advanced and increased number of ashm and PDMS systems and radar. ship radar for corvette size must not be more than cost of 10 million dollars for a ESA 3d radar.

 

[alimobin memon]

Ada class has a fancy looking design
we wish your cooperation come true only if pakistan think it is necesary with good quality


China's target market is wide like the ocean, not just Pakistan
we never push pakistan to buy our navy ships、submarines、missiles、fighters and UAVs, pakistan is the decision maker, we believe it can make right choice to suit its interest.

Chinese never say turkish product is crap, and words like this, although we know the real situation.
So just do your bussiness, leave us alone

Touche'!, Note that Turkish Govt is so interested in deal with the Chinese for High Altitude Long Range SAM Umbrella systems even though others are offering systems like patriot and Thaad as well as S series Russian systems.

The steel standard called "yield", are measured in Pascal, ordinary civilian was only 250Mpa. Ordinary warships are also required around 300Mpa. And usually a fixed wing aircraft carrier will be around 700Mpa.

The Soviet special steel is the most yielding special steel in the world (because the Soviet submarines require higher than the aircraft carrier). The highest can exceed 1000Mpa, only used on submarines, by the Soviet government as a strategic material, not allowed to export without authorization.

The US aircraft carrier mainly uses the HY series, the yield strength of HY-80 is 550Mpa, HY-100 is 690Mpa, HY-130 is 890 Mpa, and it is not allowed to export without the US government authorization as strategic material.

France can only make steel with a yield of 550Mpa, since France does not restrict the export of such steel, so the best steel can be bought on the market. Britain can't make it itself, buys from France.
The French "De Gaulle" aircraft carrier imported American special steel.
Elizabeth, the British aircraft carrier, broke a bearing during the sea trial this year, and the problem came out of the material.

Chinese military steel has 590Mpa 921 steel and 785 Mpa 980 super steel, the former is HY80 grade, and the latter is HY100 level. chinese aircraft carrier use another kind of steel which is better than 980 super steel. it is confident , no one know the exact information

The top steel in the United States, China, Russia, usally can not be bought
People, before openning mouth, open the eyes first, use the brain

That is confidential information or public ? you just shared it here