Pakistan hopes to revive its naval modernization program

[MilSpec]

Put Some NASR's on a Ship.... A tactical Nuke is always the answer to any discussion.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Good luck trying to block oil headed for india


why would you get so many ships when you cannot protect them against enemy air or submarine attacks

Please don't bring india into thread about Pakistan , India is not center of universe

Design phase of Istanbul class frigate is completed. The construction will commence in 2017 when the fourth Milgem launched on sea. Turkish Navy is planning to receive 4+4 Istanbul class in inventory. I think Pakistan and Turkey can reach a good deal to construct same or similar class frigate in Karachi shipyard.

F515 TCG Istanbul

-16 Atmaca SSM(250km range)
-16 cell MK-41 launchers with ESSM-Block-2 (4x for each tube) + Hisar missiles, CIWS, Hizir Torpedo defence system, 250km range smart-S mk-2 radar with Aselsan T/R modules

7000t TF-2000 hull design is in final phase. CAFRAD main radar design will just have some changes on production phase cause of Navy's requirements. The general design of hull will be more or less like related image. It is going to change all power balance of region thanks to sensor + missiles.

The Aselsan offers different configuration of main radar mast on TF-2000. In accordance with Turkish Navy's selection, The design phase will be contructed and Construction will commence in 2018.

CAFRAD:

-X band search radar
-10000's T/R modules
-1000+ target following capability
-450+km radius range and 90 degree coverage for each sector
-400+km IFF range
-AESA electronic attack system on 360 degree coverage for hundreds of km range called Ares-2N
-Mast satellite communication
-Illumination radar for semi-active missile guidance on 360 degree sector

4 TF-2000 and aprox. CAFRAD radar coverage

How effective are these SAM that Turkey manufactures locally on Roketsan etc .. I was not aware Turkey makes these systems , since they were trying to purchase some systems from China / Russia

The Air coverage by these systems is wonderful just 4 ships forming a formidable protective zone



25km Range Pakistan lets get this !!!! Baby !!!

• Maximum Range 25 km (at Sea Level)
• High Explosive Fragment
• Midcourse Guidance with Inertial Navigation and Data Link Terminal Guadiance with IIR (Imaging Infrared Seeker)
• Dual Pulse Solid Propellant
• Types of Target (Fighter Aircrafts, Helicopters, Cruise Missiles, Unmanned Air Vehicles

Short Range 15 KM

Impressive systems this one 15km operation area

 

[IceCold]

So is this just another one of those fantasy threads in which poster wants Pakistan to get almost anything and everything or are we really reviving Naval modernization because lets face it in the next Indo Pakistan war, our navy would most probally be blown to smithereens if we continue with our current policy of giving everything to army.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

It is not like a wish list , but a need for NAVY / Military , as a united team to defend shore line

• The frigates , take the defensive parameter out to sea , away from Shore lines, so these are a 100% must Type 054 to prevent or detect Foe , 200-300 Km away and engage then during conflicts. There is no denying we need
  3-4 High quality ships for Air defenses.

• The Turkish , SAM systems can be used by our Military , for 25km altitude protection and 15 Km protective zone and some of these can also be placed into our missile boats or Future F22P frigate (variations)

3 - Type 54 , Chinese frigates, already has Chinese Missiles integrated
4 F22p frigates from China, we can customize or use Chinese Missiles

Turkish SAM for 8 Missile boats / Military defense need are a ideal upgrade for Defensive weapons

• Air Defence Missile System (HiSAR-A)
• Air Defence Missile System (HiSAR-O)

This should be standard for Missile boats
> Missiles boats that target ships
> Missile boats that target air targets

Can we purchase these , no doubt we can

 

[Zarvan]

It is not like a wish list , but a need for NAVY / Military , as a united team to defend shore line

• The frigates , take the defensive parameter out to sea , away from Shore lines, so these are a 100% must Type 054 to prevent or detect Foe , 200-300 Km away and engage then during conflicts. There is no denying we need
  3-4 High quality ships for Air defenses.

• The Turkish , SAM systems can be used by our Military , for 25km altitude protection and 15 Km protective zone and some of these can also be placed into our missile boats or Future F22P frigate (variations)

3 - Type 54 , Chinese frigates, already has Chinese Missiles integrated
4 F22p frigates from China, we can customize or use Chinese Missiles

Turkish SAM for 8 Missile boats / Military defense need are a ideal upgrade for Defensive weapons

• Air Defence Missile System (HiSAR-A)
• Air Defence Missile System (HiSAR-O)

This should be standard for Missile boats
> Missiles boats that target ships
> Missile boats that target air targets

Can we purchase these , no doubt we can

I don't know How much both of these Missile systems are effective against Fighter Jets and Missiles.
May be our brothers from Turkey can shed some light on both HISAR A and HISAR O
@cabatli_53 @Hakan @Hurshid Celebi

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well the Turkish missiles are for the Anti Air intruders (Jets , other missiles , anything that flies )

15 KM (Hisar A)
25 km Protective barrier (Hisar 0)

• Our existing Barrier is at 6-???km zone

The Turkish company manufactures the Motors for the Missiles serial production lovely blue flame no smoke clean work really clean

Best part is the system are so compact , we can even fit them on our Stealth missile boats

Not sure about cost factors etc

To be honest I am not even sure why we have that tiny canoon in the missile boat , just replace it with a anti Air weapon like Hisar, so the missile boat have duel role (Anti Ship/Air)

 

[wiseone2]

Please don't bring india into thread about Pakistan , India is not center of universe

It is not my intent to bring India into the conversation. I was replying to the poster thoughts about blocking oil headed for a western neighbor.

Let us say you wanted to block oil headed for Japan. The Pakistani navy would have to track hundreds of ships and figure out which ones were headed for Japan. It is not an easy task. If Pakistani naval ships delegated with the task faced a threat from enemy submarines and naval aircraft it becomes a tough job.

It is not like a wish list , but a need for NAVY / Military , as a united team to defend shore line

• The frigates , take the defensive parameter out to sea , away from Shore lines, so these are a 100% must Type 054 to prevent or detect Foe , 200-300 Km away and engage then during conflicts. There is no denying we need
  3-4 High quality ships for Air defenses.

• The Turkish , SAM systems can be used by our Military , for 25km altitude protection and 15 Km protective zone and some of these can also be placed into our missile boats or Future F22P frigate (variations)

3 - Type 54 , Chinese frigates, already has Chinese Missiles integrated
4 F22p frigates from China, we can customize or use Chinese Missiles

Turkish SAM for 8 Missile boats / Military defense need are a ideal upgrade for Defensive weapons

• Air Defence Missile System (HiSAR-A)
• Air Defence Missile System (HiSAR-O)

This should be standard for Missile boats
> Missiles boats that target ships
> Missile boats that target air targets

Can we purchase these , no doubt we can

how large are your missile boats ?? You might not be able to put air defense radars and SAM batteries on small missile boats. Maybe you could have MANPADs on your small missile boats. You need at least a corvette class vessel.

 

[HRK]

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[Hurshid Celebi]

@Zarvan Hisar - A (Low Range) and Hisar - O (Medium Range) will be also capable against low flying skimming cruise missiles.

Tactical And Technical Features (HİSAR-A Missile)

• Maximum Range (at sea level) 15 km
• High Explosive Fragment
• Midcourse Guidance with Inertial Navigation and Data Link Terminal Guadiance with IIR (Imaging Infrared Seeker)
• Dual Pulse Solid Propellant
• Types of Target (Fighter Aircrafts, Helicopters, Cruise Missiles, Unmanned Air Vehicles)

Low Altitude Air Defense Missile HİSAR-A « Roketsan

Thanks for our AEW planes 4 plus 2 options will be additional ordered TURKEY is capable to strike incoming ballistic missiles with AIM-120 Amraam missiles, this was already tested by TurAF.

 

[cabatli_53]

Well the Turkish missiles are for the Anti Air intruders (Jets , other missiles , anything that flies )

15 KM (Hisar A)
25 km Protective barrier (Hisar 0)

• Our existing Barrier is at 6-???km zone

The Turkish company manufactures the Motors for the Missiles serial production lovely blue flame no smoke clean work really clean

Best part is the system are so compact , we can even fit them on our Stealth missile boats

Not sure about cost factors etc

To be honest I am not even sure why we have that tiny canoon in the missile boat , just replace it with a anti Air weapon like Hisar, so the missile boat have duel role (Anti Ship/Air)

Brothers, The brochure figures are misleading the facts. The actual ranges of the missiles are longer than seen on net. Roketsan introduced Hisar-A as 10km and Hisar-O as 16km first, but They need to correct it as 15km for Hisar-A and 25km for Hisar-O but It is known that The requirement of Turkish Land Forces for Hisar project is as following:

Hisar-A: 15km
Hisar-O: 40km


Hisar-A Otonom

Hisar-A Truck Mounted

Hisar-O Truck Mounted

Hisar-U Concept (120km)

All of them will have Naval variants to be equiped on frigates.

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

Brothers, The brochure figures are misleading the facts. The actual ranges of the missiles are longer than seen on net. Roketsan introduced Hisar-A as 10km and Hisar-O as 16km first, but They need to correct it as 15km for Hisar-A and 25km for Hisar-O but It is known that The requirement of Turkish Land Forces for Hisar project is as following:

Hisar-A: 15km
Hisar-O: 40km


Hisar-A Otonom

Hisar-A Truck Mounted

Hisar-O Truck Mounted

Hisar-U Concept (120km)

All of them will have Naval variants to be equiped on frigates.

Hisar-U is a dissapointment for me. 120 km is too short. In comparison to CAFRAD capabilities up to 600 NM it is too less. I at least expected an ASTER - 30 capability and 160 km range.
My dream is ASTER 30 Block 2 with 3000 km range which is in concept phase.

• Aster 30 Block 2: De facto eine komplette Neuentwicklung. Zweistufenrakete mit separierbarem exoatmosphärischem Kill Vehicle mit IR-Sensor, um ballistische Raketen mit bis zu 3000 km Reichweite im Weltraum zu treffen.[23]

NEVERTHELESS PPROUD TO BE TURK

 

[Super Falcon]

I was thinking of going the route of Leasing

• 4 Leased Type054

• And purchase of 4 F22P Frigates, 3 Construction in Pakistan , and 1 Constructed in China

The Submarine deal is already done

Request for 3 OHP , refurbished

Sir forget OHP and get outside of F 22 frigate now we have them better buy something which we lack

First of all 8 subs was not a right idea they should have gone for for 4 subs and 4 type 054 destroyers which we lacked a heavy punch in surface fleet if you look we have just 4 f 22 frigates which are now 8 yrs old

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

which we lack

Would TF-2000 program and cooperation with Türkiye an alternative ? We could boost also together nuke warheads on SOMs.

ASTER 30 principle.
Home on jam and Proportional Navigation

 

[Zarvan]

Brothers, The brochure figures are misleading the facts. The actual ranges of the missiles are longer than seen on net. Roketsan introduced Hisar-A as 10km and Hisar-O as 16km first, but They need to correct it as 15km for Hisar-A and 25km for Hisar-O but It is known that The requirement of Turkish Land Forces for Hisar project is as following:

Hisar-A: 15km
Hisar-O: 40km


Hisar-A Otonom

Hisar-A Truck Mounted

Hisar-O Truck Mounted

Hisar-U Concept (120km)

All of them will have Naval variants to be equiped on frigates.

Any idea How many batteries you plan to deploy of both of these ?

 

[AliWaqar]

sir @Zarvan CPEC jin ka mansoba ha wo is ki ifzat k liye bandobast b acha kar lain gay ? what u sy about 4 subs kab tak deliver hun gi pakistan ko