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Pakistan hopes to revive its naval modernization program

Inducting mirages makes no sense when you have BLKIIs arriving ...

Also you will need to upgrade those 2000s (more $$ required)...

Better idea would be getting more new F-16s and surplus's (MLUs)... While concentrating on JF project.... And if economy permits opting for 2 Sqds of J series "flankers"...

Also PN needs to raise its own fighter wing instead of leasing (on deputation) PAF pilots and jets..

Ary baba , Kon F-16's de raha hai ?
umerika wont allow it ...
haven't you see how they are draining us for these 8 F-16's .. and not to mentioned string attached to anything they sell us ..

Mirage is better than JF-17 blk yaar ..
the payload is much higher ..
and loiter time ...

Flankers makes sense, but from where ???
 
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They are using Exocists,harpoons,C series,AKGs etc..

It would be wonderful if they could come up with an anti shop variant of Babur CM.

yaar as i mentioned in my first post ... we should transform babur into a Anti ship role as well ...
make it a multi-tube launch Coastal defense ..
imagine a ASM coastal defense of range 700-1000 km ... any enemy ship comes under the range and Boom
 
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Ary baba , Kon F-16's de raha hai ?
umerika wont allow it ...
haven't you see how they are draining us for these 8 F-16's .. and not to mentioned string attached to anything they sell us ..

In the end of the day... F-16s (including sanctioned ones will be delivered--- thanks to geopolitics of the region).
Mirage is better than JF-17 blk yaar ..
the payload is much higher ..
and loiter time ...

It's either more F-16s or JFs... Still an upgrade from the ancient Mirage V ROSE that are being used for the role ... And it seems JFs are already replacing them in that role.
Flankers makes sense, but from where ???

China is the safest bet...
 
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wow only 4 frigates and 6 missile boats
well the 4 improved f22p ar the most likely to be modified c28s that algeria got. but it will be modified to have a 32 cell vls. mays as well get the type 054b with a full tot agreement so it can build and modify it their own needs.
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the type 022 missile boat is a good boat i give it that. because of its stealthy config and that there not much surface area on the water it would make a great stealthy offensive weapon.
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mind you we are getting rid of our type 23 frigates pakistan may get them
 
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Defense Around the Globe
Breaking News.....!

Pakistan hopes to revive its naval modernization program through a warship construction deal with China that will also expand Pakistan's shipbuilding industry.

Chinese media reports have outlined a construction program involving six of eight S-20 variants of the Type-039A/Type-041 submarine under negotiation; four "Improved F-22P" frigates equipped with enhanced sensors and weaponry (possibly including the HQ-17 surface-to-air missile developed from the Russian Tor 1/SA-N-9); and six Type-022 Houbei stealth catamaran missile boats, to be built by Pakistan's state-owned shipbuilder Karachi Shipyard and Engineering Works (KSEW).

The reports indicate Type-022 construction may be delayed by the ongoing Azmat fast attack craft building program, but also highlight a significant expansion of KSEW's facilities.

These include a foundry, fabrication facilities to cover all aspects of ship construction, berthing facilities, and two graving docks of 26,000 and 18,000 dead weight tons, spread over 71 acres.

A 7,881-ton ship lift transfer system will be completed next year.

KSEW will expand to occupy facilities vacated by the Navy as it transfers from Karachi to Ormara. The Pakistan Navy Dockyard, which is adjacent to KSEW, already has facilities upgraded by the French during construction of Agosta-90B submarines.

Pakistani officials would not comment on these reports. Repeated attempts to secure comment from the Ministry of Defence Production, KSEW, the Navy and federal politicians connected with defense decision-making bodies were turned away.

The program will follow a Sino-Pakistani agreement for six patrol vessels for Pakistan's Maritime Security Agency agreed to on June 10, with two built by KSEW.

Author, analyst and former Australian defense attache to Islamabad Brian Cloughley said the groundwork laid by the Agosta-90B program that included upgrades to PN Dockyard facilities and the training of some 1,000 civilian technicians greatly facilitated present plans.

However, Trevor Taylor, professorial research fellow, defense, industries and society, at the Royal United Services Institute highlighted the problems KSEW's construction and expansion plans could encounter.

"Experience from around the world shows that it is very easy to be optimistic about the difficulty of naval shipbuilding and the time taken to complete construction and systems integration," he said. "Plans for rapid expansion of warship production are unlikely to proceed on schedule. The coordinated and sustained application of extensive managerial and technical skills is required, and submarines especially have vital safety dimensions."

He highlights the importance of a sustainable program.

"The lesson from the UK and elsewhere is that, once a warship design and build capability is in place, it is best maintained and developed through a planned and steady drumbeat of programs, rather than a rapid expansion of activity for a limited period of years followed by a sudden drop-off in orders. Clearly this requires a consistent stance of support for the industry from political authorities."

Cloughley is optimistic, however, that the extensive Chinese help provided to Pakistan in warship construction, in addition to agreements made during Chinese President Xi Jinping's recent visit, "indicate that all types of cooperation will continue and expand."

He said this is related to the burgeoning Indo-US relationship, India's increasingly antagonistic anti-Pakistani rhetoric, and clearer Sino-Indian divisions that mean the Sino-Pakistan "axis of understanding has become more tangible."

Consequently, "KSEW can expect considerable input from such as [China Shipbuilding & Offshore International Co]. Money, certainly; but also, and perhaps of more importance, provision of expertise."

He said China's help will also further increase the number of skilled technicians as "there are many would-be technicians with great potential who cannot obtain training," which China is aware of "and has planned accordingly," with KSEW also running a training program.

Cloughley said the Chinese investment and involvement will ensure the program's sustainability.

"Given China's amazingly large financial commitment to cooperation with Pakistan, there is no doubt that Beijing will be calling the tune. And KSEW and many other establishments will be pleased to dance to it."

Though the naval expansion plan is impressive and will ensure future refit and modernization work, analyst Haris Kahn of the Pakistan Military Consortium think tank said with the decommissioning of Type-21 frigates it still only meets Pakistan's "minimum naval deterrence."

"The Navy needs close to 20 large surface vessels [frigates and heavy frigates]" of which at least three should be ships able to provide area air defense, as the "F-22P will not cut it and the need of longer-range SAM coverage is essential."

"Unfortunately, with the serious shortage of funds we have not even heard about anywhere else the Navy is looking to get these much-needed vessels," he added.

To meet its requirements for larger warships, Pakistan had hoped to acquire approximately six Perry-class frigates from the US, but Nilanthi Samaranayake, Indian Ocean analyst at the US-based CNA, a nonprofit research and analysis organization, said this route is now blocked "due to congressional obstacles."

However, Samaranayake still sees a need for such frigates to "support its counterpiracy and maritime security operations under combined maritime forces."

Cloughley cites Indian influence in Washington for their unavailability, but though Pakistan still desires more Perry-class frigates "on easy or gift terms ... the lure of Chinese ships combined with the massive [Chinese] investment program and Pakistan's increasing disenchantment with Washington would seem to militate against any movement [toward the US]," and Pakistan will certainly look to China in time.

@Khafee @Horus @HRK
@Zarvan this article is old. let me guess defencenews?
 
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@DESERT FIGHTER @rockstar08 What you don't have, import from China. There is only one country in the world, which has access to China's latest tech, and that is Pakistan.

brother, we can't get everything China has ... there are many limitation based on export bans and Budget .. :(

wow only 4 frigates and 6 missile boats
well the 4 improved f22p ar the most likely to be modified c28s that algeria got. but it will be modified to have a 32 cell vls. mays as well get the type 054b with a full tot agreement so it can build and modify it their own needs.
jg4l5v.jpg


the type 022 missile boat is a good boat i give it that. because of its stealthy config and that there not much surface area on the water it would make a great stealthy offensive weapon.
Type_022_Houbei-class_China_002.jpg

022-FAC4.jpg


mind you we are getting rid of our type 23 frigates pakistan may get them

Type 22 is useless for PN , we already have Azmat class FAC ..
 
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brother, we can't get everything China has ... there are many limitation based on export bans and Budget .. :(



Type 22 is useless for PN , we already have Azmat class FAC ..
As far as Pak-China relationship is concerned, MashAllah Export bans mean "jack." Sorry couldn't find a better word.

The only limitation is cash. Rightly said.
 
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brother, we can't get everything China has ... there are many limitation based on export bans and Budget .. :(



Type 22 is useless for PN , we already have Azmat class FAC ..
its not a bad vessel. true the type 22 and the azmat are similar but they must be a reason for the induction of the type 22 that we dont know about.
 
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As far as Pak-China relationship is concerned, MashAllah Export bans mean "jack." Sorry couldn't find a better word.

The only limitation is cash. Rightly said.

well in a sense you are right but , to show the world we follow the rules ;)
but J series export Ban is implemented by Russians ..
 
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well in a sense you are right but , to show the world we follow the rules ;)
but J series export Ban is implemented by Russians ..
Give the right Russian General a couple of million in $'s and you'll end up with something even better than the Chinese have. ;)
 
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