Pakistan helicopter plans

[duhastmish]

Yes it does. Probably has something to do with the fact that it's the best, the most ADVANCED attack helicopter in the world.

But we all shouldn't rely on looks. It's what's INSIDE that matters! (Every random fat guy's excuse to a woman)

he he he he well put sir .

 

[zavis2003]

Indeginous things are better if we will rely on others it will make us mserable so its time to design and install modern infra stru in country for military puposes

 

[cabatli_53]

I hope TAI will make some modifications on mainbody of T-129 and It looks like those picture... We will see the first T-129 Atak in 2013....

 

[Luftwaffe]

Mine sample is outside in parking lot T-129 use it when its snowing

 

[syedmobeenali]

why Paf is not going for wz-10.Chinese made attacker.It will be comparable in technology with others and less expensive also.

 

[syedmobeenali]

why Paf is not going for wz-10.Chinese made attacker.It will be comparable in technology with others and less expensive also.

 

[beetel]

why Paf is not going for wz-10.Chinese made attacker.It will be comparable in technology with others and less expensive also.

Because it is china made

 

[duhastmish]

why Paf is not going for wz-10.Chinese made attacker.It will be comparable in technology with others and less expensive also.

sir

i don't think they have wz-10 in mass production and apart from that this Turkish Augusta is proven winner too. turky will be close friend to Pakistan as well and also a Pakistan should never depend too much on one country for its defense. times change we all know and history proved it over n over again.

 

[syedmobeenali]

I don't think that T-129 is sanction prof because of European Technology.Uncle sam is always behind it.but WZ-10 is of china there is no fear of sanctions in future supplies and after services.

 

[satishkumarcsc]

I don't think that T-129 is sanction prof because of European Technology.Uncle sam is always behind it.but WZ-10 is of china there is no fear of sanctions in future supplies and after services.

Perhaps they plan on using the Pratt & Whitney engine then it is also prone to sanctions.

 

[cabatli_53]

Sorry but It is not possible. T-129 will be completely Turkish and If a country wants to order some T-129, Engine will be optional.. It will be completely costumer's choice...but Turkey will use LHTEC engines for T-129's that have max. 1680shp power...

Attention to agreement rules please !!!

It is so clear that Turkey will not get any permissions from any country to export this mosters to a friend country(excluding England and Italy), even technology tranfer and development works for next generation versions of T-129, If Turkey wants...

With the Collaboration Agreement signed with AgustaWestland, TAI shall have;

· Intellectual property rights of the new configuration of the helicopter

· Sole sourcing rights in the world for the fuselage, including Final Assembly and Flight Operations

· Sales rights for the whole world excluding Italy and England

TURKISH AEROSPACE INDUSTRIES INC.

 

[hj786]

why Paf is not going for wz-10.Chinese made attacker.It will be comparable in technology with others and less expensive also.

Because it is china made

Stop talking rubbish man. There is nothing wrong with Chinese equipment - in the past maybe, but these issues are now fixed. They have been making aircraft and choppers for longer than India, so if anything you need to worry about Indian-made stuff.

WZ-10 is simply not ready yet - it only recently started flight testing I think. When it is ready, China will need to manufacture hundreds just for itself! WZ-10 can be exported to Pakistan only after China's own defence requirements are met.

Besides, PA has many choices for new attack choppers. If they can manage with cobras for now (they are waiting for more used choppers and spare parts from US), they will most likely wait for the Turkish Atak, which is a very very nice chopper - the one I would pick, because it is like Cobra, a small, cheap-to-run and cost-effective chopper rather than a big fat expensive Apache/Havoc/Hind (correct me if I am wrong).

Problem with Atak is it will not be ready until 2013 or so, so if PA needs to replace cobras now, they might procure the German attack chopper (Eurocopter Tigre?) like the PN did with the German U214. If I was them I would try to lease it so that it can be returned to the Germans and the money spent on Turkish/Chinese choppers instead, when they are ready.

EDIT: According to wikipedia, Eurocopter Tiger's cheapest version costs over 30 million US dollars. SCREW THAT. Stick with cobras for now or lease/buy something cheaper (WAY CHEAPER) until Atak is finished.

 

[ejaz007]

Pakistan Eyes Boost in Transport, Lift
By USMAN ANSARI
Published: 3 November 2008

ISLAMABAD - Pakistan has sought to improve its air mobility capability as international commitments and domestic operations have grown. To date, this has mainly consisted of ex-Australian C-130E Hercules transports. However, beginning next year, programs to renew and expand current abilities should begin to come to fruition.

The most high-profile aspect of Pakistan's air mobility modernization is the Pakistan Air Force Multi-Role Tanker Transport (MRTT) program. Four Il-78 Midas aircraft from the Ukraine, equipped with a three-point drogue refueling system, will introduce this capability.

Though an Air Force spokesman could not verify the exact variant on order, he did confirm it was the tanker/transport and not the pure tanker version of the Midas.

Its 22,000-kilogram cargo capacity will bring considerable airlift capabilities, akin to the highly versatile Il-76 Candid, on which the Midas is based. The first aircraft is due to arrive early next year, he said.

The Air Force also is exploring the acquisition of tanker/transport aircraft from other sources. One reason is that the Il-78 is not equipped with a boom refueling facility, and therefore is unable to refuel the Air Force's most potent combat aircraft, the F-16. To rectify this, the Air Force is exploring the possibility of acquiring surplus U.S. KC-135 Stratotankers.

During an appearance before the U.S. House of Representatives Foreign Affairs subcommittee on South Asia on Sept. 16, Donald Camp, principal deputy assistant secretary for South Asian affairs, stated that the United States is "finalizing a comprehensive training plan" to help Pakistan with its F-16 operations, including aerial refueling.

No clarification from American military sources, however, was forthcoming on whether this would also include surplus Stratotankers.

According to defense analyst Haris Khan of the Web-based think tank Pakistan Military Consortium, Pakistan has also examined alternatives to the KC-135. European defense group EADS "has been talking to [the Air Force] to supply Airbus A330 MRTTs. However, the [Air Force] has been insisting on an MRTT capability built on an A310, which is no longer in production."

The reason for insistence on the A310 is Pakistan International Airline's long experience with the A310-300, he said. There may therefore be a more attractive long-term option to the KC-135.

Improvements in air mobility are not restricted to MRTTs. Pakistan is also establishing an airborne division. The Army has long sought to improve its air mobility, which has traditionally been a weak spot. The Army needs to support operations in the Siachen Glacier and Kashmir theaters of operations, in the ongoing standoff with archrival India; against al-Qaida and the Taliban on the Pakistan-Afghanistan frontier; and right down to the coastal areas.

The commitment on "the Frontier" in itself has pushed the Army to invest heavily in helicopters due to the difficult terrain. Recent acquisitions have included 24 Bell-412EPs, 10 AS 550 Fennecs, 35-plus Mi-17 Hips and several UH-1 Huey transport and utility helicopters.

As Khan stated, however, the Army is still looking to buy more Mi-17s, plus Mi-35 Hinds, CH-47 Chinooks and one dedicated version of a gunship helicopter, to establish an airborne division.

In connection with this, Pakistan is seeking further transport/utility types from America. According to Col. Robin Fontes, chief of the Security Assistance Office, Office of the Defense Representative at the American Embassy here, the U.S. military will shortly confer with the Pakistan Army to determine its "current and future aviation requirements. Once those requirements are defined, we will be able to recommend the most appropriate model(s) of transport/utility helicopters that meet the needs of the Pakistan Army."

The question of acquiring Chinooks is another long, drawn-out saga, as Pakistan had initially hoped to establish a heavy-lift capability through their acquisition in 1989. U.S. military sanctions in 1990, however, ended these efforts. Not only do these serve as vital force multipliers when it comes to air mobility, but also in disaster relief.

The absence of a heavy-lift capability was sorely felt in the relief operations following the earthquake that rocked the country in October 2005. U.S. Navy CH-53E Super Stallions and U.S. and British Chinooks instead did a sterling job in providing heavy-lift assistance under the wistful gaze of Pakistan's own rotary aviators.

Now, according to Khan, six stored CH-47Cs have recently been released for sale to Pakistan by Italy. It is uncertain if they will be purchased, but they currently represent Pakistan's best option of acquiring a heavy-lift capability.

Pakistan Eyes Boost in Transport, Lift - Defense News

Slightly old but relevant article.

 

[GOD OF WAR]

what about the chinese Z10?

It could fulfill PA need for a good attack choper? And since the official inoculation of the K-8s and JF 17s we could start working with the chinese on this heli. any news guys?

 

[fatman17]

what about the chinese Z10?

It could fulfill PA need for a good attack choper? And since the official inoculation of the K-8s and JF 17s we could start working with the chinese on this heli. any news guys?

everything is finalised except the powerplant!