Pakistan has to vacate Azad Kashmir and GB: India

[StraightShooter]

Putting in a motion is simple. it won't pass. He's alone on this.

ok

 

[My-Analogous]

Kashmir has remained a longstanding unresolved issue between the two countries causing acrimony on both side

The only issue of dispute between India and Pakistan as far as Jammu and Kashmir is concerned is the illegal occupation of Azad Kashmir and Gilgit-Baltistan by Pakistan, the government on Thursday said. Union Minister Jitendra Singh reiterated India’s demand that Pakistan should vacate illegal occupation of these areas.

Singh’s sharp remarks came in response to Pakistan High Commissioner Abdul Basit favouring resolution of Kashmir dispute as per the “aspirations of Kashmiris”.

Basit was speaking at an event at the High Commission at New Delhi on Thursday to mark Pakistan’s national day.

Talking to reporters outside Parliament, Singh said “Today if there is any issue between India and Pakistan on J&K, it is only the illegal occupation by Pakistan, whether it is Azad Kashmir (Azad Kashmir) or Gilgit-Baltistan”.

He also added, “How it can be freed from Pakistan’s occupation and made a part of the Indian republic…that is the only issue now”.

Singh said India’s position has been clear for many years now and in 1994, a resolution (on the issue) was also passed in Parliament which all political parties had supported.

Basit had said the aspirations of people “can be suppressed but not quelled and I hope the struggle of the Kashmiris will prove successful”.

Kashmir has remained a longstanding unresolved issue between the two countries causing acrimony on both sides.

We are waiting. You guys are mighty super power. Just take it

 

[StraightShooter]

We are waiting. You guys are mighty super power. Just take it

please wait for another 100 years.

 

[tarrar]

Well its the other way around jabroni. you are the illegal occupier of Kashmir & are terrorism thousands of Kashmiris every single day.

 

[hussain0216]

there was a process laid down and involved parties need to agree to that process. as per the process india has legitimate claim and pakistan does not.

it does not matter if a part of the region in kashmir now has muslim majority population as india could also say hindus were a majority in undivided india and pakistan as country itself is illegitimate now.



this is from UK parliament

Early day motion 1107

ANNEXATION OF GILGIT-BALTISTAN BY PAKISTAN AS ITS FIFTH FRONTIER
Session: 2016-17
Date tabled: 23.03.2017
Primary sponsor: Blackman, Bob
Sponsors:
That this House condemns the arbitrary announcement by Pakistan declaring Gilgit-Baltistan as its Fifth Frontier, implying its attempt to annex the already disputed area; notes that Gilgit-Baltistan is a legal and constitutional part of the state of Jammu and Kashmir, India, which is illegally occupied by Pakistan since 1947, and where people are denied their fundamental rights including the right of freedom of expression; further notes the attempts to change the demography of the region in violation of State Subject Ordinance and forcibly and illegally to build the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor, which further aggravates and interferes with the disputed territory.

The "process" disintegrated as soon as there was a blood bath across the sub continent

The whole point of Partition was that we didn't want to live with hindus or care or be ruled by your sensibilities

Pakistan was formed as a result and Kashmir as a muslim majority state whose faith, culture and ethnicity was an extention of Pakistan was by rational outcome a part of Pakistan as its people just like all aspiring Pakistanis of the time willed it as well as distancing themselves from hindus.

Forcing because of indian greed an entire state full of people under a hindu majority state is the basis of the problem and why South Asia has hostility

No process substitutes the will of Kashmiris wanting to be away from hindus and part of Pakistan

 

[StraightShooter]

The "process" disintegrated as soon as there was a blood bath across the sub continent

The whole point of Partition was that we didn't want to live with hindus or care or be ruled by your sensibilities

Pakistan was formed as a result and Kashmir as a muslim majority state whose faith, culture and ethnicity was an extention of Pakistan was by rational outcome a part of Pakistan as its people just like all aspiring Pakistanis of the time willed it as well as distancing themselves from hindus.

Forcing because of Indian greed an entire state full of people under a Hindu majority state is the basis of the problem and why South Asia has hostility

No process substitutes the will of Kashmirs wanting to be away from Hindus and part of Pakistan

blood bath started after the decision to divide the country not before and both Hindus and Muslims died in those riots.

And why did the process start? Muslims ruled the subcontinent for "1000 years", did not fight for independence and at the first hint of India attaining independence took help of the British to obtain a country for themselves.

if the plebiscite is so sacrosanct why didn't Muslims take that route for partitioning the country?

anyone talking about plebiscite in Kashmir are hypocritical as there was no plebiscite for the formation of Pakistan in the first place.

 

[Clutch]

Well then going by that logic: India has to vacate India. I'm sorry, it actually belongs to us Pakistanis (the true heirs of the Indus Civilization) ... ya, baby!

 

[hussain0216]

blood bath started after the decision to divide the country not before and both Hindus and Muslims died in those riots.

And why did the process start? Muslims ruled the subcontinent for "1000 years", did not fight for independence and at the first hint of India attaining independence took help of the British to obtain a country for themselves.

if the plebiscite is so sacrosanct why didn't Muslims take that route for partitioning the country?

anyone talking about plebiscite in Kashmir are hypocritical as there was no plebiscite for the formation of Pakistan in the first place.

The decision to make Pakistan had been taken, the muslims of the sub continent hsd agreed Pakistan was our path as living side by side with hindus was intolerable

Our leaders were smart they understood hindus and understood being a statistical minority to hindus was intolerable

Pakistan wasnt achieved with the help of the British but by the sweat, sacrafices and hard work of muslims
Kashmiris were part and parcel of this

We simply didnt want to live with hindus, nor did we trust them

This should have been respected!!!!!!

Forcing a muslim majority state and people to live under a hindu india was an act of unfathomable stupidity and greed on your part

Simply accepting that we didnt like you and didnt want to live side by side with you meant that the sub continent could have healed after a decade or two and moved on

 

[StraightShooter]

The decision to make Pakistan had been taken, the muslims of the sub continent hsd agreed Pakistan was our path as living side by side with hindus was intolerable

The decision was taken by muslims (minority) not hindus (majority).

Our leaders were smart they understood hindus and understood being a statistical minority to hindus was intolerable

I agree muslim leaders were smart and colluded with the british to obtain a country for themselves.

Muslims were okay to rule the Hindu majority for 1000 years with tyranical policies but it was not okay for the minority muslims to live along with hindu majority in a democratic setup.

Pakistan wasnt achieved with the help of the British but by the sweat, sacrafices and hard work of muslims
Kashmiris were part and parcel of this

what sacrifices? British gave you a help hand at every juncture starting with separate Muslim electorate under the Morley-Minto reforms of 1909.

We simply didnt want to live with hindus, nor did we trust them

muslims were afraid that their 1000 years of tyranny against majority hindus would be paid back in kind under a democratic setup. no need to deflect and sugarcoat why you made that decision.

This should have been respected!!!!!!

it was repected hence india agreed to the "process" laid down by the British. It is Pakistan which wants to change the rules.

Forcing a muslim majority state and people to live under a hindu india was an act of unfathomable stupidity and greed on your part

It is not the greed of Hindus but muslims were afraid that their 1000 years of tyranny against majority hindus would be paid back in kind under a democratic setup. no need to deflect and sugarcoat why you made that decision.

Simply accepting that we didnt like you and didnt want to live side by side with you meant that the sub continent could have healed after a decade or two and moved on

I agree. Muslims do not like Hindus.

 

[ibnarastoo]

We are waiting. You guys are mighty super power. Just take it

First of all India is not a might s-per p-wer or a p-wer. It is a developing country in constant need of charity. Please don't even joke about such things. A people like the Indians with what little power they have are a source of trouble for so many people.
What do you mean "we" are waiting. You are sitting in Saudi Arabia. Are you the one on the border with a gun ? If you want to wait , wait for them after joining the armed forces ... wait for them on the border with a gun (if you are any good you will keep on waiting only, because that is how Hindus operate, when we are strong they may never come, they only await our infighting and weakening). Or you can try to go fight them and liberate the rest of Kashmir. Are you doing that? no! you are sitting in SA asking the Hindu to t-ke Kashmir and perhaps incorrectly calling them a "s-per p-wer". This is why the Indians call some Pakistanis "st-pid" but this behavior is no better than those of some "cl-wns"?

At first I thought , "Let these people have their fun, at least they are not depressed as is usually the case with us Pakistanis living right next to India and all". But then it occurred to me that some people are actually clowning around with Hindus and it alarmed me quite a bit. This clowning around is not dignified behavior that the Prophet Muhammad SAW or the Sahaba would engage in with the idol worshippers. You may clown around some website for 14 year olds (and with each other) but this is a website meant for patriots and defenders of Pakistan and their allies.

You people are so drunk while "electronic fighting" these Indians on the internet that you cannot see you are harming yourselves and Pakistan. When someone asks you to be civil and not behave like the Hindu you say "Uncle you go be civilized, let us talk to the Hindus, we can take care of them". Is this you taking care of them or they are wrapping you around your fingers ? We raised you in Pakistan so you can sink to the level of a Hindu and start abusing them and calling them names like a Hindu? Rashid Minhas Shahid and Major Bhatti Shahid and Jinnah RA died for you so that you can actually enjoy sinking to the level of a god - for saken Hindu ? Gandhi was assasinated for your sake by these Hindus so you can entertain these Hindus? If you want to "take care of them" go liberate Kashmir and put an end to darkness in the sub continent and stop being an internet keyboard warrior where the Indian is far more cunning than you and has an advantage because the Hindu has lost their innocence a long time ago.

The Indians are too cunning for us and we should not be interacting with them. PERIOD. We have "st-pid" people like this man to deal with. The Indians are wicked and cunning because of their over population and their religion which embraces all kinds of practices. On our side we have some fat brown Indians who claim to be Muslims who are just st-pid and eager to abuse Afghans and Pathans and Baloch at will.

Do you understand who won the present day Kashmir for Pakistan? Most people like you sitting far away may not know that. It is the Pathans & Afghans who won the present day Azad Kashmir for Pakistan. They ran on their feet with their guns from NWFP (Khyber) all the way to the present day LOC and none could stand in their way because Allah SWT was with them. Do you think they will help you now after decades of abusing suffered at your hands? After decades of abuse and contempt and ridicule at the hands of some brown Indian Muslims and some brown Punjabis who think they are Pakistani but then get seduced by some two bit sikh teenager with a youtube video?

We might need to be nice to them because the last time Pakistanis tried to liberate Kashmir we had the Kargil incident which was NOT a success! They probably will help if you are nice to them and apologize (because we are a forgiving and nice people )

The last time Pakistan "won" a war against India was in 1965 when a "Khan" was in power. The Punjabis may run the government but their language and their culture is a liability to Pakistan because it is so close to Indian/Sikh culture. The Indians understand this and are busy cultivating the treacherous "Rajputs" right in our midst. Do you know who the Rajputs are ? The "rajputs" are apparently Muslims with lineage to Hindu rulers of Punjab and parts of India. Just see how many Rajputs on this forum are hitting on Indian "girls". Of all the girls in the world some Pakistanis like a people who are a step above an African. This is a cause for great shame for us and only a Hindu royal line would fall for another brown Indian. Muslim royalty like Babar RA refused to conquer the rest of India because he was too alarmed by their dark women.

The abuse of the Afghan/Pathan at the hands of some Punjabis and some of the troublesome Muslim refugee from India (and the internecine conflict) is a security risk and even an uneducated person can see that. Yes, the Muslim refugees from India (the Urdu Speakers) are a bigger problem than Punjabis because they wear Saris and eat foul-smelling foods and watch Indian movies but you Punjabis are not much better. Yes the Punjabis and Muslim refugees from India & Ahmedis can be used as effective spies because they can understand how the Hindu thinks but that is about it. When it comes to actual fighting the Eastern provinces of Pakistan are not so effective as is evidenced by the fact that we have not gained territory since 1965.

Can you see that the Indians are already using you Punjabis and Sindhis and Urdu Speakers (those closest to India) as a tool to assault and harm the Baloch and Pathan (the western provinces)- the very same people who liberated Kashmir in 1947? They anticipate and fear the next Afghan and Pathan invasion , they fear the next "Ghazi" and "Mehmud Ghaznavi" and hence they have made sure that through the years you behave like a Hindu and abuse your own people on their behalf. Perhaps now you see that your posturing is not pleasant in the eyes of Allah SWT?

You are in S.A. and I am in the US and our own lands are flooded by even more Muslim refugees from India and now Hindus (via the internet). Why did we leave ? recall how few in our land may prosper because our neighbors are dragging the entire region down. To some its a joke but people are most likely psychically manipulated by the very same dot wearing Hindu. That is why we should not have Indians in our midst and try to first straighten our own people out. It is the duty of the armed forces of this country to protect our youth and our adults from interactions with a people who have lost their innocence. We should be protected from Indian based IPs and Hindus even in Pakistan and that is one of the responsibilities of the armed forces of Pakistan. Why isn't the government of Pakistan taking this into consideration? When I was growing up in Pakistan we did not have to interact with these people. I never spoke with a Hindu and never saw an Indian's face until I came to University in the US and even then I spoke to a classmate after one whole year of studying.

The Indians I encountered were not these but the best of the best secular Gandhis and even they were no match for the virtue that Pakistan and Allah SWT had inculcated in me (and I am perhaps amongst the worst of the worst Pakistanis) . I despite my baseness was troubled by the Hindu upon first contact. I once asked a North Indian (apparently the "best" Indian) why they always use terrible words like "ch-tiya" and "behen ch-d". He got upset with me and said "Well that is our culture and if you don't like it you can hang out with South Indians, there they do not use such words". That is the "cream of the crop" of India at an Ivy League university (one of the best of the best) and the man I was speaking to was a grown man in his 30s (not a teenager) who was married to a white German executive (this is the best of the best Indians). To him the black/ African Hindu of South India ( the "untouchable dravidian") is more civilized and therefore worthy of contempt while his own use of abusive words is a source of pride, his identity and his culture. These are the same N. Indians which some Punjabi Pakistanis call : "ok to interact with because they are far better".

What a shame. Even Nawaz Sharif who met a PHD from Punjab (the Indian leader Manmohan Singh) called him worse than a village woman because that is how some of these Hindus and Sikhs are (if you don't understand what Nawaz Sharif meant then I won't explain to you because we want you to remain innocent and good and focus your mind on the fairest and gentlest and best ideas). If you must interact with then interact with the Europeans and Russians and Canadians and Afghans and Iranians and Arabs and better more civilized , more developed people. Even Nawaz Sharif gets them and this is the same Nawaz Sharif who is a Muslim immigrant from India and who used to be a socialist and who many in the armed forces look down upon because he is not such a good Pakistani- even he had the insight to see the best of the best Indians and you guys have no shame when interacting with these people.

Yes I may have been worse than many people here while in the US for everyone told me "in the US enemies cannot remain enemies but must be friendly". I was abused and misled by some of these Indians (not even knowing it until years later) because I was a sheltered innocent person (and still am but I am proud of my innocence). I am proud that some of the Indians misused me because I know my God / Allah SWT was watching and He rescued me even though the Hindu misled me and used me as a tool. BTW even now I don't have a bad opinion of the Hindus I met but hold them with the highest regard even though years later I think "what a fool I was and in what danger I was" .

I am just sad that after all these years I have formed a bad opinion of the Hindu and I have lost my innocence now whereas before when I was walking amongst the Indians like an innocent thinking "wow these secular hindus and gandhis are so non violent and pacifist and nice and western and civilized, we should be more like them". It would have been better if I had not erred and not lost my innocence and discovered that these Hindus are unfortunate peoples to be really really avoided (just like our ancestors and our martyrs said and died for). I was raised in Pakistan with the notion that "well these Hindus should be avoided" but never really knew first hand why. I went through that but you guys don't have to. You can put up a firewall and block out anyone from the East . You don't have Professors telling you to be nice to Hindus and work with them in a team because "Everyone in the US must get along". And even now I am glad I got to know Gandhi outside of Pakistan and that I got to learn more about him and now I admire him (like an innocent by ignoring all the counter arguments and rumors) but I would not subject anyone else to what I went through (probably not).

But go now to any news paper websites and there are these Hindus hitting on young Pakistani girls . I even caught one young lady in her teens angrily responding to a Hindu who had said something bad about Pakistan. The Indian infiltration of the internet content is a major problem (literally the "feed" on the internet is like a spiritual feed / food) and it requires asking Allah SWT for forgiveness and then protecting our population from the corruption and toxicity from the East even if it means the establishment of a military government and martial law.

 

[Kedardel]

Well Kashmiris are eastern Iranian culturally and have been opressed by Hindu and Sikh rulers from India, killing them in the hundreds of thousands in famines. I doubt they wouldve wanted to join India, especially the regions Pakistan has freed which are basically central Asian(GB) and north Punjabi(AJK).

Exactly my point. How come Hindu Budhist natives of Valley were never oppressed but only Muslims despite no Religious fanatic Hindu ruler or Govt. ever there. Means if the Population wasnt Muslim population they would have lived just and comfortable, is it ?? Everyone knows that Pakistan definitely is a champion of freedom Bangladesh and Balochistan to name a few. Actually its like how come Hindus don't have that Victim hood mentality.

 

[PakEye]

wOw
The statement of a fanatic Hindu extremist Sawami type Union Minister of India Jitendra Singh
who is by product of Hindutva Dharamshala.

 

[Amalek]

We simply didnt want to live with hindus, nor did we trust them

This should have been respected!!!!!!

No, we don't respect hate and bigotry. Pakistan was created on the basis of hate and intolerance of Muslims against non-Muslims. This is really a sad excuse.

Simply accepting that we didnt like you and didnt want to live side by side with you meant that the sub continent could have healed after a decade or two and moved on

If Muslims didn't want to live side by side with non-Muslims, why are there 200 million Muslims in India? Why do you Pakistanis migrate to non-Muslim countries in the west? You should never leave your holy land.

 

[Baghial]

wow what an idiot. Kashmir is disputed territory.

its disputed because be dont do a fuckabout it.
weshould take dick out of our pants and bilitirate mother india to moon
whats the use of 100 a boms. pakistani nation should be first islamic country to useit ,
the rest will fall in line, by grace of allah.
in reality we r not allow ed to use our brain, (establishement plus civil govt)but our brawn is used against us. by dic tom n harry
slaved by its own people

 

[MilSpec]

This Indian clown thinks he can retain Kashmir against the will of Kashmiris, not even in your wildest dreams is it possible. Entire India will burn in a nuclear fireball before it can even start to happen.


India is a democracy only on paper. BJB JUNOONIS know nothing about democracy.


ha ha if this is true then why run away from UN ?

As I said read, and learn a bit before proving yourself being a blithering idiot on a public forum.