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Pakistan has its hands full

Help them incase of an internal rebellion or foreign attack but dont get involved in their foreign expeditions its destructive for us
Sometimes u have u no choice but to move on with friends and partners biggest example is UK in Iraq war .

Neutral means saving lives. What do you mean legs shaking? Pakistan has done plenty of favours for many nations. Now it's time for the nation to do itself a favour and look after its own interests.



The Altay thing can be done without this whole venture bro. The Saudis will also no way bail any of Pakistan's debts. Even if they did, what sort of message does that send i.e. the nation can't take care of itself. If any such deal did happen, only the ruling elite would benefit anyway, not the common man.
No one will attack Saudi or Turkey. They are both capable of defending against threats. But yes, if hypothetically speaking something did happen, Pakistan should help immediately.
Sure but we have to figure it out what our interests r ?there is no word neutral that u been pounding here .metha metha hup won't work all the time .

What if supporting Turkey clear the path of Altay in PA?
What if supporting KSA will grant us enough money to overcome all debts ?
Just think about it
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We have shown enough flexibility towards Iran for our sake ...... but if KSA or Turkey are attacked then Pakistan will respond with arms......
Iran was will not our friend theior interests and our interests don't convert any where yeh they r sweet with India .
 
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Sure but we have to figure it out what our interests r ?there is no word neutral that u been pounding here .metha metha hup won't work all the time .

Our interests at the moment is to solve the domestic terror issue and achieve economic growth, that is both figure wise good and more importantly sustainable. Pakistan is stretched at the moment and can't afford ventures like these.
 
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Don't go to fight with anybody for anybody. Just take care of the mess created by the "Hardliners" here.

But Yes if after the war of syria they are also prepared to fight collectively against India and get the kashmir back in "Manly" way. LOLz its not gonna happen. No one will come and fight for us, just no one. So shut your mouth and keep your forces home. Let them fight their own war and support them morally and that's it (just like they do). Baray aey muslim ummah kay champion.
 
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more and more countries are gearing up to jump into the fray.
When I read such pieces ...Seriously its like some countries are literally blind to their OWN SHIT that they wish to shove their hands up another's!

WTH is wrong with the world....this isnt some war on who gets the most food...it is KILLING people!

So weapons giant is getting really rich really fast!
 
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Don't go to fight with anybody for anybody. Just take care of the mess created by the "Hardliners" here.

But Yes if after the war of syria they are also prepared to fight collectively against India and get the kashmir back in "Manly" way. LOLz its not gonna happen. No one will come and fight for us, just no one. So shut your mouth and keep your forces home. Let them fight their own war and support them morally and that's it (just like they do). Baray aey muslim ummah kay champion.
This Saudi and co united is nothing but a farce we should stay out of it we got way too much already on our plate we should help our baradar mumalik when they actually get threatened so far they want to attack and i cant think of any reason why us being in a war we are not part of bring any benifit to us
 
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When I read such pieces ...Seriously its like some countries are literally blind to their OWN SHIT that they wish to shove their hands up another's!

WTH is wrong with the world....this isnt some war on who gets the most food...it is KILLING people!

So weapons giant is getting really rich really fast!
Haram language used by(soon to be) Prof Akheilos ಠ_ಠ
 
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When I read such pieces ...Seriously its like some countries are literally blind to their OWN SHIT that they wish to shove their hands up another's!

WTH is wrong with the world....this isnt some war on who gets the most food...it is KILLING people!

So weapons giant is getting really rich really fast!
That's what's the big game! Controlling oil plus sell weapons both sides and get rid of your own old stock to bombing here and there. Very devilish game.
 
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Pakistan should support Turkey and Saudis, and join them in their alliance to end the killing in Syria. In doing so, Pakistan can milk the Saudis out of good amount of Petro-dollars for their military and economy. Both Turkey and Saudis are US Ally,which mean, US will be more willing to help Pakistan military in this fight. Not only it will modernize Pak military, but will also us improve our economy. Iran is no value to Pakistan. GCC are known to help out their friend.

'Pakistan has its hands full
President-Barack-Obama-wi-010-300x180.jpg

There’s enough by way of ‘war against terror’ at home

As war rages in Syria, more and more countries are gearing up to jump into the fray. The protracted war has spawned two opposing camps: pro-Assad and anti-Assad. Russia and Iran have been actively propping up the Assad regime by fighting against a range of extremist organisations, including the self-styled Islamic State.

The United States, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia (along with other Arab countries) want to see the back of Assad. The Assad regime is America’s bête noire on account of its association with Iran, an avowed enemy of Israel. With the ouster of Assad, Iran will lose an ally and a foothold in the Middle East.

Commenting on the issue political analyst Dr Faizullah Jan told DNA that alarmed by the rise of Shia Houthis in the neighbouring Yemen, Saudi Arabia has upped ante against Iran by bringing other Arab and Gulf monarchies on an anti-Iran platform. The kingdom was unnerved when Iran signed a landmark nuclear deal with six world powers, including the United States, which freed the state from almost 40 years of punishing sanctions.

Dr Faizullah added that Pakistan seems to be on the brink of being sucked into the Syrian war with no strategic interests of its own.

“When Saudi Arabia announced a 34-country ‘alliance against terrorism,’ Pakistan — seemingly — was caught unawares. Even now, it has to clarify where it stands in the murky situation.”

However, there are serious consequences for Pakistan if it chooses to be a party to the war, which is marked by sectarian and regional rivalries. Sectarian violence has always strained the social and cultural fabric of Pakistan.

Now that Saudi and Turkish ground troops are poised to intervene in Syria in support of their extremist allies, Pakistan will definitely face pressure on account of its strategic relations with the House of Saud. Pakistan’s covert or overt role in the Syrian war will unleash sectarianism inside the country.

Adding to what Dr Faizullah stated, political analyst Yasmeen Aftab Ali said that this is not the first time Saudi Arab wants Pakistan to fight its war. In Yemen, Pakistan refused to fight the war for Saudis and rightly.

Yasmeen added that of the coalition countries, only Pakistan and Turkey have armies of strength in number and quality. The whole brunt would fall on the shoulders of Pakistan and Turkey.

Pakistan must also keep in mind while taking the decision, that Pakistan needs Russia and Iran on their side in the upcoming China-Pakistan Economic Corridor.
Sartaj Aziz’s statement needs clarification

Well known academic and columnist Yasser Latif Hamdani thinks that Pakistan should steer clear of the Saudi coalition. Sartaj Aziz’s statement needs to be clarified. What would our commitment be? Are we sending planes? Ground troops? It would inevitably mean pitting ourselves against the Iranians. Pakistan cannot afford to take sides in this fratricidal conflict.

Yasser added that the war is likely to complicate many matters. US and Saudi Arabia want to fight ISIS and Assad. Turkey wants to fight ISIS and PKK and also wants to topple Assad. US wants to support the Kurds against ISIS and against Assad. This obviously goes against Turkey’s legitimate interests. Meanwhile, Russia has put its might behind Assad against the rebels and ISIS. Broadly speaking, US and Saudi Arabia are going to attempt to shore up as many anti-Assad and anti-ISIS groups as possible, which also means supporting the rebels, many of whom have a dubious past.

So what should Pakistan’s role be?

Yasser said Pakistan’s should play a conciliatory role between Turkey and Russia, between Saudi Arabia and Iran, between Assad and Turkey and between US and Russia.

“Once ISIS is taken care of, resolving the Syria crisis would become much easier. Our position till there are any clear winners in this conflict should be to support the legitimate Syrian government i.e., Assad’s regime,” said Yasser.

Political analyst Jalal Hussain opined that Pakistan’s muddled foreign policy stance on the Middle East crisis stems from not having a formal channel through which foreign policy is formulated. Currently Pakistan’s foreign policy seems to be devised by three concurrent channels, the foreign office, the prime minister and the military.

The Middle Eastern crisis has exposed the fact that these stakeholders are not on the same page. The government’s reluctance on appointing a full time foreign minister is quite baffling, given Pakistan’s geopolitical position, he said.

Jalal added that the government wants to appease the Saudis given the personal links the prime minster enjoys with the Saudi royalty, but are facing resistance from the military and the foreign office who realise that taking positions in this conflict might lead to Pakistan facing the brunt of potential fallout.

Journalist Kunwar Khuldune Shahid was of the opinion that Pakistan’s foreign policy – on paper – showcases a desire to remain neutral in Saudi-Iran conflicts or mediate between the two – which is what Pakistan endeavoured to do last month.

“Historically Pakistan’s ostensible neutrality has been marred by its ‘acquiescence’ to Saudi petrodollars – $2.5 billion was charged to send forces to Syria and Bahrain in 2014,” said Khuldune.

“But with last year’s Iran nuclear deal, it’s evident that Pakistan benefits even more from trade and energy sharing ties with a country it shares the border with. This in turn means calling for Bashar al-Assad to be a part of any solution in Syria, in addition to rethinking Pakistani military services in countering popular Shi’a rebellions in Bahrain and Yemen.”

Khuldune added that the only position Pakistan should take is against ISIS. With Pakistanis fleeing to fight for ISIS and local jihadist groups gravitating towards the terror group as well, the only business that Pakistan should get itself involved in is the war against ISIS.

Political and defence analyst Faraz Darvesh told DNA there are still doubts what Saudi Arabia wants to achieve in the Middle East and mainly in Syria. Saudi Arabia has had a history of supporting groups like ISIS to throw Bashar Al-Assad in Syria.
However, recently Saudis have announced that they are ready to fight ISIS in Syria with its allies including Pakistan. The question remains open whether Saudis are forming coalition to fight Shi’a forces in Syria to weaken Iran’s influence or will it really fight ISIS? ISIS and Saudis share the Wahhabi ideology and Saudis may face local repercussions.

“The Saudis are in a tough spot because the world is now vocally questioning Wahhabi ideology and Saudi Arabia is seen as ideological base and financial pipeline in the spread of Wahhabism,” said Faraz.

Pakistan must focus on militarily and ideologically defeating its internal enemies such as LeJ, SSP, TTP, Jundullah, and al Qaeda and improve its relations with its neighbours.
Pakistan has its hands full | Pakistan Today
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No need to join ummah united
It should say in the end "Article paid for by Iran".
 
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"If you want to get a job done find a busy person", says the pragmatic British. Paks are gaining enormous experience and success in COIN for a reason. As for the apparent mess in our heartland, it's because a reconstruction phase is going on. The enormous black energy that accumulated over the last hundred years of exploitation, victimization, abuse, torture and corruption of all sorts, i e., Zulum, is releasing itself through different fractures. A new map with different horizons will be drawn, but in the terms of the Hak. As for the Paks and Turks, they may have to take the responsibility upon their shoulders which is beyond their imagination now....
 
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'Pakistan has its hands full
President-Barack-Obama-wi-010-300x180.jpg

There’s enough by way of ‘war against terror’ at home

As war rages in Syria, more and more countries are gearing up to jump into the fray. The protracted war has spawned two opposing camps: pro-Assad and anti-Assad. Russia and Iran have been actively propping up the Assad regime by fighting against a range of extremist organisations, including the self-styled Islamic State.

The United States, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia (along with other Arab countries) want to see the back of Assad. The Assad regime is America’s bête noire on account of its association with Iran, an avowed enemy of Israel. With the ouster of Assad, Iran will lose an ally and a foothold in the Middle East.

Commenting on the issue political analyst Dr Faizullah Jan told DNA that alarmed by the rise of Shia Houthis in the neighbouring Yemen, Saudi Arabia has upped ante against Iran by bringing other Arab and Gulf monarchies on an anti-Iran platform. The kingdom was unnerved when Iran signed a landmark nuclear deal with six world powers, including the United States, which freed the state from almost 40 years of punishing sanctions.

Dr Faizullah added that Pakistan seems to be on the brink of being sucked into the Syrian war with no strategic interests of its own.

“When Saudi Arabia announced a 34-country ‘alliance against terrorism,’ Pakistan — seemingly — was caught unawares. Even now, it has to clarify where it stands in the murky situation.”

However, there are serious consequences for Pakistan if it chooses to be a party to the war, which is marked by sectarian and regional rivalries. Sectarian violence has always strained the social and cultural fabric of Pakistan.

Now that Saudi and Turkish ground troops are poised to intervene in Syria in support of their extremist allies, Pakistan will definitely face pressure on account of its strategic relations with the House of Saud. Pakistan’s covert or overt role in the Syrian war will unleash sectarianism inside the country.

Adding to what Dr Faizullah stated, political analyst Yasmeen Aftab Ali said that this is not the first time Saudi Arab wants Pakistan to fight its war. In Yemen, Pakistan refused to fight the war for Saudis and rightly.

Yasmeen added that of the coalition countries, only Pakistan and Turkey have armies of strength in number and quality. The whole brunt would fall on the shoulders of Pakistan and Turkey.

Pakistan must also keep in mind while taking the decision, that Pakistan needs Russia and Iran on their side in the upcoming China-Pakistan Economic Corridor.
Sartaj Aziz’s statement needs clarification

Well known academic and columnist Yasser Latif Hamdani thinks that Pakistan should steer clear of the Saudi coalition. Sartaj Aziz’s statement needs to be clarified. What would our commitment be? Are we sending planes? Ground troops? It would inevitably mean pitting ourselves against the Iranians. Pakistan cannot afford to take sides in this fratricidal conflict.

Yasser added that the war is likely to complicate many matters. US and Saudi Arabia want to fight ISIS and Assad. Turkey wants to fight ISIS and PKK and also wants to topple Assad. US wants to support the Kurds against ISIS and against Assad. This obviously goes against Turkey’s legitimate interests. Meanwhile, Russia has put its might behind Assad against the rebels and ISIS. Broadly speaking, US and Saudi Arabia are going to attempt to shore up as many anti-Assad and anti-ISIS groups as possible, which also means supporting the rebels, many of whom have a dubious past.

So what should Pakistan’s role be?

Yasser said Pakistan’s should play a conciliatory role between Turkey and Russia, between Saudi Arabia and Iran, between Assad and Turkey and between US and Russia.

“Once ISIS is taken care of, resolving the Syria crisis would become much easier. Our position till there are any clear winners in this conflict should be to support the legitimate Syrian government i.e., Assad’s regime,” said Yasser.

Political analyst Jalal Hussain opined that Pakistan’s muddled foreign policy stance on the Middle East crisis stems from not having a formal channel through which foreign policy is formulated. Currently Pakistan’s foreign policy seems to be devised by three concurrent channels, the foreign office, the prime minister and the military.

The Middle Eastern crisis has exposed the fact that these stakeholders are not on the same page. The government’s reluctance on appointing a full time foreign minister is quite baffling, given Pakistan’s geopolitical position, he said.

Jalal added that the government wants to appease the Saudis given the personal links the prime minster enjoys with the Saudi royalty, but are facing resistance from the military and the foreign office who realise that taking positions in this conflict might lead to Pakistan facing the brunt of potential fallout.

Journalist Kunwar Khuldune Shahid was of the opinion that Pakistan’s foreign policy – on paper – showcases a desire to remain neutral in Saudi-Iran conflicts or mediate between the two – which is what Pakistan endeavoured to do last month.

“Historically Pakistan’s ostensible neutrality has been marred by its ‘acquiescence’ to Saudi petrodollars – $2.5 billion was charged to send forces to Syria and Bahrain in 2014,” said Khuldune.

“But with last year’s Iran nuclear deal, it’s evident that Pakistan benefits even more from trade and energy sharing ties with a country it shares the border with. This in turn means calling for Bashar al-Assad to be a part of any solution in Syria, in addition to rethinking Pakistani military services in countering popular Shi’a rebellions in Bahrain and Yemen.”

Khuldune added that the only position Pakistan should take is against ISIS. With Pakistanis fleeing to fight for ISIS and local jihadist groups gravitating towards the terror group as well, the only business that Pakistan should get itself involved in is the war against ISIS.

Political and defence analyst Faraz Darvesh told DNA there are still doubts what Saudi Arabia wants to achieve in the Middle East and mainly in Syria. Saudi Arabia has had a history of supporting groups like ISIS to throw Bashar Al-Assad in Syria.
However, recently Saudis have announced that they are ready to fight ISIS in Syria with its allies including Pakistan. The question remains open whether Saudis are forming coalition to fight Shi’a forces in Syria to weaken Iran’s influence or will it really fight ISIS? ISIS and Saudis share the Wahhabi ideology and Saudis may face local repercussions.

“The Saudis are in a tough spot because the world is now vocally questioning Wahhabi ideology and Saudi Arabia is seen as ideological base and financial pipeline in the spread of Wahhabism,” said Faraz.

Pakistan must focus on militarily and ideologically defeating its internal enemies such as LeJ, SSP, TTP, Jundullah, and al Qaeda and improve its relations with its neighbours.
Pakistan has its hands full | Pakistan Today
@django @Ammara Chaudhry @DESERT FIGHTER @waz @WAJsal
No need to join ummah united
We have to join and we have no other option. Those people who think if we would stay out of middle east and fire won't reach us either are either too innocents or way to dumb. We have to part of this war and we have to go in
 
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"If you want to get a job done find a busy person", says the pragmatic British. Paks are gaining enormous experience and success in COIN for a reason. As for the apparent mess in our heartland, it's because a reconstruction phase is going on. The enormous black energy that accumulated over the last hundred years of exploitation, victimization, abuse, torture and corruption of all sorts, i e., Zulum, is releasing itself through different fractures. A new map with different horizons will be drawn, but in the terms of the Hak. As for the Paks and Turks, they may have to take the responsibility upon their shoulders which is beyond their imagination now....
My dad just says Europe went through the same phase only there were no "white Europeans" to interfere and broadcast it worldwide of how much damage and shit they did....we are going through the same phase EXCEPT we have some busy body people from across the globe to intervene where they are unwanted...
 
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Pakistan would be crazy to even get involved. Pakistan will stay neutral. No need to be involved in this horrible mess.
Unfortunately, Pakistan is caught between a rock and a hard place. If it does not side with the so called Arab coalition, the Arabs get pissed off. If they side with it, the Iranians cry foul. It's damned if you do, damned if you don't! Diplomatically, it's always going to be a tightrope walk!
 
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Don't go to fight with anybody for anybody. Just take care of the mess created by the "Hardliners" here.

But Yes if after the war of syria they are also prepared to fight collectively against India and get the kashmir back in "Manly" way. LOLz its not gonna happen. No one will come and fight for us, just no one. So shut your mouth and keep your forces home. Let them fight their own war and support them morally and that's it (just like they do). Baray aey muslim ummah kay champion.

And noone dares to do that .
 
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