What's new

Pakistan government to betray all, Resumption of Nato Supplies by May 17!

Status
Not open for further replies.
yes and manmohan and sonia make Indians greatest brains on earth ? lolz man don't post if you have nothing :lol:

Hmm... Great reply...Always expected from someone like you...

On Topic: It seems only problem in opening the routes is the price difference....
 
.
yes and manmohan and sonia make Indians greatest brains on earth ? lolz man don't post if you have nothing :lol:

Hmm... Great reply...Always expected from someone like you...

On Topic: It seems only problem in opening the routes is the price difference....
 
.
Unfortunately, the Pakistanis do not have any options. The state is on the verge of bankruptcy, their economy is running on bailouts from the IMF and WB (controlled by the NATO states), their main export market is the West (NATO), one of the main benefactors of the Pakistani economy are the expats living in the West. Secondly the Pakistani Army consider their F-16s as much more precious than the 24 lives lost in Salala, and one of their main sources of income come from the Coalition support funds since their own economy is bust. Considering that they have an existential threat to the East, and a hostile neighbour to the West, Pakistan has no option but to open up the NATO routes to at least have quell the fire in the Western border.

However, i fear that the problems may compound in the longer run if the Pakistanis continue tacit support of the "good" Taliban and stay hostile to the NATO(American) forces post 2014. The Pashtuns in Pakistan outnumber than those in Afghanistan and once NATO leave, they will be stalemated in Afghanistan and then turn their attention towards Pakistan turning FATA, KPK and NorthWestern Balochistan as the next conflict zone. All this does not bode well for the region in case of this continued hostility.

So it is entirely in Pakistan's interest to see their Western neighbour's house burn and then watch their own house reduced to ashes if they do not form a part of the solution to Afghanistan. GHQ would have taken all this into consideration and then decided to reopen the NATO routes.
 
.
wont happen....
They are under pressure by NATO and USA alike,but people simply don't want this anymore,and American stubbornness hasn't helped either..
it will happen. us is mulling over the demand of double pay to pak. double the pay , double the dhamaka.. wah what a punchline sirji
 
. .
Many will profit if Pakistan reopens NATO supply routes

104590068.jpg


ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — U.S. commanders in Afghanistan want to get war supplies rolling across Pakistan’s borders again. So do Pakistanis in places high and low — from officials trying to balance the nation’s budget to black marketeers who stand ready to plunder the NATO-contracted trucks and oil tankers expected to shortly resume passage into Afghanistan after nearly six months of closed border crossings.

The deal isn’t quite sealed, but Pakistan is set to announce in a matter of days its decision to again allow onto its territory the convoys that supply U.S.-led international forces trying to wind down the decade-long war against the Taliban.

Pakistan’s decision, after months of political posturing and delicate negotiations, is likely to ease strains between Washington and Islamabad. For its renewed cooperation, Pakistan would reap higher tariffs and a payout of at least $1.3 billion in withheld “coalition support funds” for its contribution to the fight against Islamist militants.

Officials on both sides say the agreement will not provide Pakistan the full apology it wants for an incident in which U.S. fighter jets and helicopters mistakenly bombed two outposts on the border with Afghanistan in November, killing 24 Pakistani soldiers. The deaths prompted Pakistan to seal the borders.

Multiple beneficiaries

But for traders such as Baz Muhammad Afridi, happy days will return when the blockade ends. Afridi, 46, who vends looted goods in a bazaar on the outskirts of Peshawar known informally as “the U.S. market,” nearly abandoned his business because of dwindling stock.

Afridi said he sold food, daggers, computers and engineering equipment pillaged from supply convoys. “We were getting quality goods, technological gadgets and American flags at very reasonable prices,” he said Tuesday.

“But the supply suspension nearly stopped our business, and it becomes hard to meet even daily expenses,” he said. “Lower-middle-class people like me will be happy with the reopening of NATO supply lines.”

On the macroeconomic level, Islamabad needs help, too. The $1.3 billion has been penciled into the proposed budget, according to Finance Ministry officials.

And there are other beneficiaries. The Pakistani military — sometimes called Army Inc. because of its sizable stake in commerce, corporations and land holdings — indirectly controls 30 percent of the NATO oil tanker contracts, according to local transporter associations. The military, which played the key role in the NATO-provisioning negotiations with U.S. and Afghan army commanders last weekend, declined to comment on its share of the supply business.

Tribal-area militants will profit, too: They demand protection money from the companies that haul the freight. And they launch attacks to get their slice of what’s inside the steel sea-shipping containers that begin their journey at the port of Karachi and travel hundreds of miles through perilous territory.

“Even the Taliban is the beneficiary. . . . They get weapons and ammunition when they attack the containers,” said a black-market trader in NATO goods, who spoke on the condition of anonymity for fear of Taliban reprisals. “This is one of the financial sources of the militants.”


Not to be left out, police and other local authorities extract bribes to allow convoys to pass, transporters say. It’s part of doing business for companies that are hoping to put 8,000 to 10,000 tankers and trucks back on the roads to reach land-locked Afghanistan.


Cost concerns for NATO

Pakistan shut its border crossings soon after the November attacks, forcing NATO to use other, more costly routes across Central Asia. In the past, NATO has shipped two-thirds or more of its supplies for the Afghanistan war through Pakistan.

Even before the border closure, U.S. military officials had stockpiled several months of material to weather possible problems with the Pakistan route. Those stockpiles have been supplemented by increased shipments through what’s known as the Northern Distribution Network, through Central Asia and Russia.

While new NDN agreements have been signed to expand the types and quantities of goods those countries allow to pass through their territories, the passage is far more expensive and lengthy. The cost and difficulty would increase exponentially as the United States and its coalition partners begin to remove equipment as the coalition withdraws combat forces from Afghanistan by the end of 2014.

In April, Pakistan’s Parliament unanimously passed guidelines for future dealings with the United States, calling for an end to CIA drone strikes on targets in Pakistan and an apology for “the condemnable and unprovoked” border attacks in November. The Pentagon has called the deaths accidental and regrettable but has concluded that both sides shared blame.

Observers in Islamabad and Washington never expected the drone strikes would end, but an apology was a possibility until April 15 attacks on Western targets in Kabul that U.S. officials attributed to the Pakistan-based Haqqani network.

Pakistan’s willingness to reopen the border, widely signaled Monday, seemed to have an immediate result: On Tuesday afternoon, NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen invited President Asif Ali Zardari to this weekend’s Chicago summit, where the alliance will discuss the endgame in Afghanistan.

Despite Washington’s extreme mistrust of Pakistan’s military-intelligence apparatus — which it blames for harboring militants who attack troops in Afghanistan — Pakistani participation is seen as vital to a settlement with the Taliban and allied insurgents.

Pakistani officials said that Zardari would attend the summit and that the invitation was not linked to the opening of the NATO supply lines.

Some analysts speculated that Zardari might wait to announce in Chicago any new deal with NATO. On Wednesday, Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani’s unwieldy cabinet — 53 ministers in all — took up the matter but ended the day with no decision, except to reinforce the Parliament’s previous recommendation that shipments contain no weaponry or lethal supplies.

Afterward, Information Minister Qamar Zaman Kaira told journalists: “No decision on NATO supplies will be made under any pressure.”

For people in Pakistan’s insurgency-wracked northwestern Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province, the practical implications of the NATO issue matter far more than the political ones.

Javed Ali Khan, a farmer in his early 30s who lives near Peshawar, said he has to protect himself from militants. He would like the looters to get back in business.

“The prices of weapons, arms and ammunition will come down once the NATO supply is restored,” he said. “American- and European-made pistol prices went up almost double since November 26, 2011.”

That was the day U.S. aircraft bombed Pakistan’s border posts.


Staff writer Karen DeYoung in Washington and special correspondents Haq Nawaz Khan in Peshawar and Shaiq Hussain in Islamabad contributed to this report.

Many will profit if Pakistan reopens NATO supply routes - The Washington Post
 
.
US supply trucks cross Afghan-Pakistan border: officials


PESHAWAR: Pakistan allowed four containers of office supplies for the US embassy in Kabul to cross into Afghanistan for the first time following a six-month blockade, officials said on Friday.

The trucks were permitted to cross as Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari prepares to meet Nato leaders at a key summit in Chicago, accepting a last-minute invitation after his foreign minister indicated Pakistan was willing to call time on the blockade.

Islamabad closed its Afghan border crossings to Nato supplies on November 26 when US air strikes killed 24 Pakistani soldiers, leaving hundreds of containers of international supplies stranded at the port in Karachi and plunging relations with Washington to a new low.

The four trucks of US embassy supplies crossed Pakistan’s northwest Torkham border into Afghanistan, the officials told AFP on condition of anonymity because they were not allowed to release the information to the media.

“I can’t give you the exact number but a lot more will go to Afghanistan in coming days. These all are diplomatic shipments, I mean non-Nato supplies,” one of the officials said.

In Kabul, the US embassy said it could not confirm the shipment.

There were conflicting accounts of when the trucks crossed, with one source saying they began moving earlier in the week and another saying they passed through on Friday.

Almost 300 containers of US embassy supplies, including stationery, computers and printers, are understood to have been stranded in Pakistan by the blockade.

Pakistan and US officials are still negotiating rules, fees and logistics for resuming the Nato transit lines, and Islamabad has not said when Nato supplies will resume.

US supply trucks cross Afghan-Pakistan border: officials | DAWN.COM
 
.
i received an sms few days ago.
Urdu
"agar kisi kutey ko sheero ke fauj de jay to sarey sheer kutey ke mout marein gay OR agar kisi sheer ko kuto ke fauj de jay to sarey kutey sheer ke tarah larein gay"
English (my english is week so beg pardon for any mistake.)
"if a dog is leading an army of loins all the lions will die like dogs. But if an army of dogs is leaded by a loin all the dogs will fight like loins."

we are having dogs as our leaders so we must die like dogs.
 
.
What rubbish, I think they have done well resisting for 6 months. Excellent may Pakistan cause America and its proxies headaches well into the future
 
.
^This news really cheers me up :azn:
 
.
i do agree that they resisted for 6 months it was bound to open but. . . .
all this process should be transparent so we all Pakistan must know what was the main reason of blockade and if it is open then are those things solved??
i am not against Nato supply but bring the thing to media. and let us know. still in this time all the things are done in background. like it was in musharaf's era.
 
.
US supply trucks cross Afghan-Pakistan border
(AFP) – 1 hour ago

PESHAWAR, Pakistan — Pakistan allowed four containers of office supplies for the US embassy in Kabul to cross into Afghanistan for the first time following a six-month blockade, officials said on Friday.

The trucks were permitted to cross as Pakistan President Asif Ali Zardari prepares to meet NATO leaders at a key summit in Chicago, accepting a last-minute invitation after his foreign minister indicated Pakistan was willing to call time on the blockade.

Islamabad closed its Afghan border crossings to NATO supplies on November 26 when US air strikes killed 24 Pakistani soldiers, leaving hundreds of containers of international supplies stranded at the port in Karachi and plunging relations with Washington to a new low.

The four trucks of US embassy supplies crossed Pakistan's northwest Torkham border into Afghanistan, the officials told AFP on condition of anonymity because they were not allowed to release the information to the media.
"I can't give you the exact number but a lot more will go to Afghanistan in coming days. These all are diplomatic shipments, I mean non-NATO supplies," one of the officials said.

In Kabul, the US embassy said it could not confirm the shipment.

There were conflicting accounts of when the trucks crossed, with one source saying they began moving earlier in the week and another saying they passed through on Friday.

Almost 300 containers of US embassy supplies, including stationery, computers and printers, are understood to have been stranded in Pakistan by the blockade.

Pakistan and US officials are still negotiating rules, fees and logistics for resuming the NATO transit lines, and Islamabad has not said when NATO supplies will resume.

AFP: US supply trucks cross Afghan-Pakistan border

ha ha! Its over, no apology, no cessation of drone attacks. This time Pakistan's price is $365 million a year.
 
.
.... may Pakistan cause America and its proxies headaches well into the future

Why do you Sir, insist that Pakistanis behave like iranian's rabid anti-Americanism?

Ayatuallahs are not our rulers (Thankfully) so please keep this mad-hate-ism out of the Pakistani forum.


Thank you.

i do agree that they resisted for 6 months it was bound to open but. . . .
all this process should be transparent so we all Pakistan must know what was the main reason of blockade and if it is open then are those things solved??
i am not against Nato supply but bring the thing to media. and let us know. still in this time all the things are done in background. like it was in musharaf's era.

If you Sir do not know and per your assertion Pakistani media doesn't know then you must be living on a distant planet with few seconds of internet connection back to earth.

Peace,
 
.
US links CSF to Pak with resumption with Nato supply

WASHINGTON, (SANA): The US Congress has linked provision of Coalition Support Fund money (CSF) to Pakistan with the re-opening of NATO supply routes. The US Congress went to vote on the House Resolution 4310, known as the National Defense Authorization Bill 2013, and passed the amendments relating to additional limitations on Pakistan’s security assistance with overwhelming majority; 412 votes were casted in favor of amendment and only one vote came against it.

The amendments were approved last week by the Armed services Committee of the Congress.

In the approved bill, the US Secretary of Defense has been asked to submit a report in the Congress about any new mechanism adopted by Pakistan for use of NATO supply routes and the difference in cost incurred from last year. The coalition support fund would not be released before such a report is furnished following the reopening of supply routes, as and when it happens.

The US Secretary Defense is also required to certify that Pakistan is supporting US counter-terrorism efforts against al-Qaeda and haqqani network, as well as other domestic and foreign terrorist organizations (which have not been named in the draft). The bill also wants timely issuance of visas from Pakistan for the US officials involved in counterterrorism and assistance programnmes in Pakistan.

Action against IEDs, a long-standing demand of the US administration and lawmakers, besides prevention of proliferation of nuclear-related material is also required from Pakistan in the bill. Not more than 10 percent of the funds allocated to Pakistan could be disbursed before the submission of report by Secretary Defense.

Other than supply routes, action against IEDs and Haqqani network, other conditions were in the bill during previous years as well for provision of coalition support fund (CSF) to Pakistan, which was first instituted in 2003. The said bill related to domestic military and defense-related expenditure as well as security assistance by the US to foreign countries including Pakistan.

However, it was not all gloom for Pakistan during the House proceedings on the day, because another amendment # 112485 in the same bill, proposed by the Chairman of House Oversights Committee, Dana Rohrabacher, regarding “a complete ban on availability of funds of all kinds for assistance to Pakistan” was rejected by the members.

In a recorded vote, only 84 members voted in favour of the Rohrabacher amendment while 335 voted against it. It may be noted that Ambassador Sherry Rehman had remained engaged in some intense lobbying with Congress members to defeat the amendment proposed by Dana Rohrabacher during last the few days.

The bill will now be tabled in Senate for voting. It requires presidential signatures after approval of Senate to become a piece of legislation. However, the White House has already raised objections to the bill including the clauses against Pakistan and has also indicated to veto it, in case it reached that stage.

US links CSF to Pak with resumption with Nato supply
 
.
Did anyone expect anything else from this NRO government..........

Here is a clip from our PM to see first....... Justice Khosa was absolutely correct when he said in his verdict that the PM was a dishonest man....


I feeling like crying when I see this lady

180923_200696023279339_100000168295208_859685_3610  413_n.jpg
 
Last edited by a moderator:
.
Status
Not open for further replies.

Country Latest Posts

Back
Top Bottom