Pakistan first to China’s table for HQ-9 (S300) , HQ-16 missile systems

[waz]

You are right brother ... your last line of words speak for them self that's the idea a nightmare that never ever let them wake up from .

Ha!

this acquisition will force our adversary to go for 5th gen option earlier then their planed timeline, which mean to balance the change dynamics of Aerial warfare in South Asia we would also required to field 5 gen option within 2-3 years time when India get her first 5th gen jet so the expected time line for the operational 5th gent jet in skies of South Asia should be somewhat similar to this

HQ-9 SAM acquisition & Operationalization in Pakistan should be around 2017-2018
5th Gen option for India should be around 2018-2020
& 5th gen jet for Pakistan should come around 2021-2023

things would really move fast after that acquisition ....

It probably will do, and your post outlines well what the forces will do.

 

[A1Kaid]

While everyone is happily jumping up and down on the recent un-precedented arms purchase spree, please do not forget to give unbiased due credit to the government for improving the economy to enable all this shopping and supporting our armed forces in their modernization/strengthening.

Let them work peacefully and reap the benefits of better policies and improved economy.

Exactly, the Government has improved economy and increased our GDP growth despite the challenges. Also they have expanded the tax net increasing government revenue which is allowing Pakistani military to procure more military hardware.

I hope the deal goes through for the HQ-9, that will be a real game-changer in Pakistan's defensive capability.

 

[qamar1990]

Wow Pakistan is catching up big time as now they have three free cash cows. Looks like Pakistan will end up buying at least 10 submarines from China and the West . . India need to watch out

trying to give us the evil eye eh??? .....we know worries.... mashallah to pakistans progress.

i mean indians are burning like hell i bet.

 

[Assault Rifle]

@Bratva
Here is SIPRI which is one of the world's premium think tanks confirming that orders were placed in 2014 only with no indications of any delivery taking place in the delivery column.
(Just select China as supplier and Pakistan as recipient with the range till 2014 in that page).

Link: Trade Registers

 

[Rank]

@Bratva
Here is SIPRI which is one of the world's premium think tanks confirming that orders were placed in 2014 only with no indications of any delivery taking place in the delivery column.
(Just select China as supplier and Pakistan as recipient with the range till 2014 in that page).

Link: Trade Registers

so called super duper premium think tanks of SIPRI don't even know 8 Subs deal and Burraq

 

[Zarvan]

Pakistan was the first country to start negotiations with China on the import of the HQ-9 medium to long-range active radar homing surface-to-air missile and the HQ-16 truck-based vertically launched surface-to-air missile, according to the April 2015 edition of Kanwa Defense Review.

It’s not surprising that Pakistan is choosing the HQ-9 to arm its air force given that its early warning aircraft and the majority of its fighters are Chinese, according to the journal.

Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan are also among potential customers for China’s anti-aircraft missiles, possibly frustrating exports of Russia’s S-300 series of long range surface-to-air missile systems, originally developed by the Soviet Union.

The report also said that China is planning to sell a range of equipment to Kazakhstan, including the Wing Loong or Yilong 1 drone.

At the beginning of the 20th Century, many of these former Soviet states exported weapons to China. Kazakhstan, for example, exported torpedoes, while Azerbaijan was formerly a major production base for Su-25 ground attack aircraft. China once received a Su-25 from Ukraine for research purposes. Now it seems the tides have turned and China is providing weapons for them, the report said.

Pakistan first to China's table for HQ-9 (S300) , HQ-16 missile systems - idrw.orgidrw.org

Its great news we need at least 12 batteries if HQ 9 and more than 20 of HQ 16

 

[Basel]

barak-8 is comes with EL/M-2248 MF-STAR AESA

Both Ashwini & Arudhra AESA radars are next generation of rohini. . It will play a significant role being used as part of the nodes of the IAF enhanced Air Defence Ground Environment in near future Systems both LRSAM & SR SAM's

Here no one is talking about what India have for air defense, here talk is about what Pakistan may have for its air defense and what options it have?

Chinese SAMS with AESA radar combined with IR systems will make sure that in any future war all below 5th gen planes stay out of Pakistani territory or face severe consequences.

If the enemy has potent anti radiation missile, wont it be able to blind the system by destroying its tracking radar?

Yes, it is possible but there are measures which can be taken to protect those assets which include Radar / IR/ Optical guided CIWS & SR-SAMs which can engage PGMs, CMs etc. but if SAM is having support of AESA radar then it will be difficult for anti radiation missile to find it.

 

[SQ8]

Only the idiots from across the border can be expected to try and come up with the logic of "By the time your SAM comes online, Our SAMS will be ready too" in their usual attempt to get out of their inferiority complexes. As if the jackasses dont realize that SAMS never go against each other.

 

[thrilainmanila]

Why don't we get them straight from Russia? SAM sites are for self defence, Indians shouldnt get pissed off

 

[Basel]

Why don't we get them straight from Russia? SAM sites are for self defence, Indians shouldnt get pissed off

Russian systems may not come with TOT and soft loans also China is now fielding SAMS with AESA radar coupled with Electro Optical systems which make them more potent.

I have a question i.e does latest versions of HQ-9, HQ16 and other SAMs have similar capabilities which FM-3000 SAM system have i.e.

"The FM-3000 can be used to command other air defense weapons on the battlefield".

 

[Víðarr]

Only the idiots from across the border can be expected to try and come up with the logic of "By the time your SAM comes online, Our SAMS will be ready too" in their usual attempt to get out of their inferiority complexes. As if the jackasses dont realize that SAMS never go against each other.

An anti-aircraft missile missile? I suppose two neighboring nations with ultra-long range missile could theoretically do this.

Still less practical than electronic warfare and good planning though. But what the hell, when we're unjustly comparing things that shouldn't be compared and will never meet each other on the battlefield, expect for battlefield PDF, who cares about reality.



I really don't understand these comparisons either.

 

[WishLivePak]

@Oscar sort of off-topic, does Pakistan have missiles that can hit jets while shoulder mounted? Sort of like for tanks, except for the jets that India employs.

These can be excellent in guerrilla warfare and harder for enemy to hit. It's harder to know where these may be launched unlike SAMs, as guy could be hiding in building or just about anywhere.

 

[RAMPAGE]

@Oscar sort of off-topic, does Pakistan have missiles that can hit jets while shoulder mounted? Sort of like for tanks, except for the jets that India employs.

These can be excellent in guerrilla warfare and harder for enemy to hit. It's harder to know where these may be launched unlike SAMs, as guy could be hiding in building or just about anywhere.

A you taking about manpads? Pakistan produces Anza series.

 

[Víðarr]

@Oscar sort of off-topic, does Pakistan have missiles that can hit jets while shoulder mounted? Sort of like for tanks, except for the jets that India employs.

These can be excellent in guerrilla warfare and harder for enemy to hit. It's harder to know where these may be launched unlike SAMs, as guy could be hiding in building or just about anywhere.

Depends on the altitude of the aircraft, speed and direction of the aircraft. Most shoulder fired missiles have restricted altitudes, since the missile itself is smaller and can't carry too much fuel. The Pakistani Anza missile, equivalent to Stinger, Strela or Igla, can knock out low flying jets and helicopters.

ANZA MK-II Specifications

L Type 2-stage, low altitude
Length
(missile, with booster motor) 1.447 m
Weight 16.5 kg
(total launch assembly in
firing condition)
(missile at launch) 10.68 kg
Propulsion solid fuel booster and solid fuel sustainer rocket motor
Guidance cooled InSb passive infra-red homing seeker
Warhead HE fragmentation (containing 0.55 Kg HE) with contact and
graze fuzing
Average missile cruise speed 600 m/s
Max missile manoeuvring 16 g
Self destruction time 14-18 s
Max effective slant range 5,000 m
Min effective slant range 500 m
Max effective altitude 4000 m
Min effective altitude 30 m
Weapon reaction time less than 3.5 s
Time from march to ready less than 10 s
for operation
Battery operation time more than 50 s

With missiles like this, you're looking at an engagement altitude of less than 3 km.

This wont counter high altitude aircraft, stand-off ranges or munitions and has limited effectiveness against fast-flying aircraft too. But against helicopters and low flying attack platforms, such as Jaguar, it can be very effective.

I have a question i.e does latest versions of HQ-9, HQ16 and other SAMs have similar capabilities which FM-3000 SAM system have i.e.

"The FM-3000 can be used to command other air defense weapons on the battlefield".

Just like Patriot, THAAD and S-300, I would expect HQ-9 - as a modern missile, to have this capability too. Those quotes don't refer to the missile itself (it's flight time is too short to act as a command module), but the command module's ability to take control over other parts of an individual or connected battery. One Patriot command unit can control several Patriot batteries from a single location. US warships have this capability too.

It's not unique, but it is useful for networked defense structures.

Just like the MIM-104 Patriot of the United States, the FM-3000 can be used to command other air defense weapons on the battlefield.

FM-3000 air defense system on display at Zhuhai Air Show｜WantChinaTimes.com

*I know this isn't a trusted source in China, or else where for that matter, but the information is still accurate regarding Patriot. I can't validate it for FM-3000 though.

Plenty of information on Patriot's battlefield organization - MIM-104 Patriot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[The SC]

Thats the right way to complement our air fighters, good long range SAMs, great finally we r comin out of point defence mentality... will be a game changer for the region

on the other hand , with all this purchasing frenzy, r we heading for a clash of some sort?? gut feel !!!

What frenzy? compared to the Indian weapons procurement frenzy...