Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[Luftwaffe]

APG-63 is the F-15 radar not F-16's it is equipped with APG-68

My mistake APG-68 V9 corrected above.

 

[Bossman]

PAF will exercise the option for additional 18 F16 Blk 52s within 2013

 

[Donatello]

PAF will exercise the option for additional 18 F16 Blk 52s within 2013

Source please.

 

[janu.bravo]

PAF will exercise the option for additional 18 F16 Blk 52s within 2013

My thinking is same....as USA offers 2 billion dollar defence equipemnt.

 

[Bossman]

Source please.

I am the source.

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

I am the source.

You are not alone in this very FORUM, we have at least two dozen more that call themselves INSIDERS & are SOURCE as well.
Welcome abort, its been long we had no fun at all.

 

[Bossman]

You are not alone in this very FORUM, we have at least two dozen more that call themselves INSIDERS & are SOURCE as well.
Welcome abort, its been long we had no fun at all.

I never implied that I am an insider or have access to inside information.

 

[S-A-B-E-R->]

I never implied that I am an insider or have access to inside information.

source or no source our AF is a sucker for F16 so it wont be a surprise if we get more of these birds.

 

[DANGER-ZONE]

source or no source our AF is a sucker for F16 so it wont be a surprise if we get more of these birds.

F-16 is nothing more than a chain now and nobody wants to be a slave at his own will but stupids do.
I agree there are still many boneheads in PAF that want comfortable cockpits than national interest.

 

[araz]

Press Trust of India | Updated: April 05, 2013 09:38 IST




Washington:* In an indication of the "positive trajectory" of the bilateral ties, the US has issued a waiver, second in six months, for sale of major defence equipment to Pakistan citing national security interest.

The waiver issued quietly by the then Deputy Secretary of States Thomas Nides on February 15 and posted on the State Department website a week later on February 22 would pave the way for some major defence equipment sales to Pakistan.

"The Department issued the waiver because we have determined that security assistance is important to the national security interests of the United States and is a critical component of US efforts to continue to build a strong, mutually beneficial relationship with Pakistan grounded in concrete action on areas of shared interest," a State Department spokesperson told PTI.

The waiver, issued within a fortnight of Secretary of State John Kerry taking the reins US diplomacy on February 1, allows for the execution of America's Foreign Military Financing (FMF) programme, and for the sale or export of certain Major Defence Equipment (MDE).

"Major Defence Equipment," means any US manufactured defence article whose export is controlled by US Munitions List which has a nonrecurring research and development cost of more than USD 50,000,000 or a total production cost of more than USD 200,000,000. These items require Congressional notification, the spokesman said.

"As a matter of policy we do not discuss proposed defence sales or transfers until they have been formally notified to Congress," he said, refraining to give any figure to the expected sale of major defence items to Pakistan after this waiver.

According to a known South Asia expert, the two waivers issued by the then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in September were sweeping and so allowed the release of all forms of assistance for the fiscal 2012 including nonmilitary.

It seems the main purpose of the February 15 waiver was to create a positive atmosphere for meetings in Washington DC with visiting senior military officials from Pakistan.

"These waivers don't represent an improvement in US-Pak relations so much as they represent attempts to improve such relations," an expert explained said adding that from the US perspective, some level of working relations with Pakistan is necessary for the US drawdown from Afghanistan to go smoothly.

Observing that security assistance builds Pakistan's capabilities in countering terrorism, the State Department official said that such assistance will continue to be implemented consistent with its policy goals of supporting Pakistan's shared interest in regional stability and countering terrorism.

"Despite the past challenges in our bilateral relationship with Pakistan, we are encouraged by recent engagements which indicate the positive trajectory of the relationship, including productive working group meetings addressing the full range of the relationship and Pakistan's participation in Core Group meetings with Afghanistan," the spokesperson said.

"As we have said, our number one shared priority remains pursuing our counterterrorism objectives to secure the safety of American and Pakistani citizens. We face a common threat from a common enemy, and we must confront terrorism and extremism together," the official asserted.

In a two-paragraph notice to US exporters posted on the website February 22, the Directorate of Defence Trade Controls of the State Department said Section 203 of the Enhanced Partnership with Pakistan Act of 2009 (Public Law 111-73), which is more popular as Kerry-Lugar-Berman bill, prohibits for fiscal years 2012-2014 the issuance of export licenses for major defence equipment to be exported to Pakistan absent an appropriate certification or waiver under Section 203 in the fiscal year.

"On February 15, 2013, Deputy Secretary Thomas Nides signed a waiver of these prohibitions for the current fiscal year. DDTC is now reviewing all license applications for the export to Pakistan of defence articles, including major defence equipment, on a case-by-case basis," said the notification.

Under the Kerry-Lugar-Berman bill the US can't approve sale of major defence equipment to Pakistan unless the Secretary of State either gives a waiver under national security interest or certifies that Pakistan is continuing to cooperate US to dismantle supplier networks relating to the acquisition of nuclear weapons-related materials, and has demonstrated a sustained commitment to and is making significant efforts towards combating terrorist groups.

The bill requires the Secretary of State to certify that Pakistan has made progress on matters such as ceasing support, including by any elements within the Pakistan military or its intelligence agency, to extremist and terrorist groups, particularly to any group that has conducted attacks against United States or coalition forces in Afghanistan, or against the territory or people of neighboring countries.

It also requires the State Department to certify that Pakistan is taking steps to prevent Al Qaeda, the Taliban and associated terrorist groups, such as Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jaish-e-Mohammed, from operating in the territory of Pakistan, including carrying out cross-border attacks into neighboring countries, closing terrorist camps in the FATA (federally administered tribal areas), dismantling terrorist bases of operations in other parts of the country, including Quetta and Muridke, and taking action when provided with intelligence about high-level terrorist targets.

Among other things the State Department also needs to certify that Pakistan is strengthening counterterrorism and anti-money laundering laws; and that the security forces of Pakistan are not materially and substantially subverting the political or judicial processes of Pakistan.

However, under the Kerry Lugar Berman bill, these conditions could be waived of the Secretary of State under national security interests.


courtesy of Sultan of pakdef.info. Thank you for the info.

Read between the lines and you have a confirmed source from the enemy itself.
Araz

F-16 is nothing more than a chain now and nobody wants to be a slave at his own will but stupids do.
I agree there are still many boneheads in PAF that want comfortable cockpits than national interest.

I understand where you are coming from but my friend beggers cant be choosers. Secondly there is some comfort in numbers for various reasons. Thirdly if you want more MLUs you will need to give them something in return. It is purely business as usual. You cannot turn around and say you want an untested and uninducted fighter version in your AF forsaking a battle proven platform. You can call me a bone head as well but stop and think about the counter argument and see where the decisions are coming from. You alone are not the only patriot in this country.
Araz

 

[fatman17]

Thirdly if you want more MLUs you will need to give them something in return. It is purely business as usual

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...n-f-16-discussions-2-a-429.html#ixzz2PxwpWiWF


tirah valley op.. being one such example.

 

[fatman17]

Today in history

10 Apr 1992
First Pakistani aircraft: F-16A (#90-943) and F-16B (#90-948) arrive at AMARC under designations AAFG0001 & AAFG0002. They are the first of 28 Peace Gate III & IV aircraft to be embargoed

 

[Najam Khan]

11sqn new patch.

Thirdly if you want more MLUs you will need to give them something in return. It is purely business as usual

tirah valley op.. being one such example.

This has become a pre-requisite now, I don't see those 14 machines coming back any time soon. Both sides have become silent on the subject.

 

[Last Hope]

11sqn new patch.

I like the motto and the concept of the patch, but not the patch itself. The current patch is classy.

 

[Tacticool]

A.o.A
Sir i have some queries. No one is answering them in forums.
How many no of f-16s have been upgraded to mlu standard till now
They said they'll upgrade one per month so it should be more than 12 by now in turkey.
Any news about new submarines?
when fourth f-22p frigate will be handed over?