Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[Mamajama]

The USAF SLEP is for C/Ds.

Isnt the APG-83 worse than the APG-80?

 

[The Raven]

The USAF SLEP is for C/Ds.

I've always assumed that as well, and the current USAF plan is for C/D models, but there is/was a SLEP for early block A/B models. Although I'm not sure whether this is still viable.

In view of the challenges inherent in operating F-16s to 8,000 flight hours, together with the moderate risk involved in JSF integration, the Department established a program to earmark by FY 2000 some 200 older, Block 15 F-16 fighter aircraft in inactive storage for potential reactivation.

Even relatively "young" aircraft like the F-16 (average age 9 years in 1998) are affected by age: skin corrosion, bulkhead cracks and landing gear wear are common. The F-16 Service Life Extension Program (SLEP) extends the F-16A/B service life to 8,000 hours at a cost of $703K per aircraft in Fiscal Year 98.

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f-16-life.htm

 

[Blacklight]

but there is/was a SLEP for early block A/B models. Although I'm not sure whether this is still viable.

Falcon UP and the Falcon STAR programs. Still available.

 

[StormBreaker]

The USAF SLEP is for C/Ds.

I remember reading some months ago on some credible site that there is another SLEP+ for some filtered “Already SLEP’ed” models.

 

[Blacklight]

Isnt the APG-83 worse than the APG-80?

Air cooled Vs Liquid cooled, Liquid cooling will always win

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2006-12-06/fighters-set-apart-aesa-radars

 

[untitled]

Air cooled Vs Liquid cooled, Liquid cooling will always win

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2006-12-06/fighters-set-apart-aesa-radars

Aren't both APG83 and APG80 liquid cooled?

For some reason APG80 so far has only been installed on Block 60 F16s

The American Air Force has also opted for the APG83 for its B1 Lancers

 

[Blacklight]

Aren't both APG83 and APG80 liquid cooled?

For some reason APG80 so far has only been installed on Block 60 F16s

The American Air Force has also opted for the APG83 for its B1 Lancers

APG-83 is air cooled.

Installation of APG-80 would require extensive work, in order to accommodate its liquid cooling system.

 

[untitled]

APG-83 is air cooled

But this video says its liquid cooled at 1:40
Have they changed the cooling system?

 

[airomerix]

MLU's, ADF's and Block 52's.

 

[The Raven]

Falcon UP and the Falcon STAR programs. Still available.

If I remember correctly, PAF A/B Vipers underwent the Falcon UP programme in the 1990s to achieve around 6,000 hours airframe life, as this could be done at depot level, but they have not received any SLEP which requires MRO, and it's unclear if they had any SLEP as part of the MLU in Turkey, which would bring their airframe life to 8,000 hours. @Bilal Khan (Quwa) would you have any further insight?

EDIT: It seems some of our A/B models have already undegone Falcon UP/STAR structural upgrades, so they should now have a service life of around 8,000 hours. The DSCA notification from 2006 was for 14 structural kits, which I assume was for the 14 embargoed/released aircraft. I think the Jordanian MLU Vipers had already undergone UP/STAR.

http://web.archive.org/web/20130516...il/PressReleases/36-b/2006/Pakistan_06-11.pdf

 

[Talon]

 

[Enigma SIG]

MLU's, ADF's and Block 52's.

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[The Eagle]

For some reason APG80 so far has only been installed on Block 60 F16s

Block-60 tech is only for UAE and they have rights to all the tech especially for Block-60 having said that it was UAE that paid for all the R&D .....

 

[Yasser76]

Block-60 tech is only for UAE and they have rights to all the tech especially for Block-60 having said that it was UAE that paid for all the R&D .....

Yeah, but were made fools out of. LMTAS just went around and offered an AESA F-16V, which custimers are lapping up and literally no one else is touching the Block 60

 

[The Eagle]

Yeah, but were made fools out of. LMTAS just went around and offered an AESA F-16V, which custimers are lapping up and literally no one else is touching the Block 60

That could be another factor however, Block-60 is purely sponsored for UAE that incorporates a lot of gadgets including Radar and all. However, I would call it a best one around.