Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[Ultima Thule]

Can I safely assume that the F 16 is un-flyable were it not for the fly by wire system due to its aerodynamic instability?

what do you mean bro can you explain bit further

 

[Haris Ali2140]

Can I safely assume that the F 16 is un-flyable were it not for the fly by wire system due to its aerodynamic instability?

Yes.

 

[mshan44]

 

[ziaulislam]

What are you trying to get at? If you are in possesion of information to the contrary bring it into the open and we can discuss it. Look, we all utilize publically available sources to make an educated guesses. At least I dont have any inside knowledge of PAF's working and acquisition strategy. When we make a guess, we can be wrong or right. Only time will tell. @Khafee may well have been right but broke the news too soon. In international negotiations a lot can happen between exxpression of interest to signing of Contract. One thing is for sure, even if Trump approves 16s from the Boneyards, they would need upgrade kits and that is where Congress would have to approve the request. What happens in the future remains unknown to all of us, but currently there is no indication that PAF will get their hands on more F16s.
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unless PAF gets MLUs from Europe/jordon and just give them structural upgrades..that would only require trump approval nothing else

 

[araz]

unless PAF gets MLUs from Europe/jordon and just give them structural upgrades..that would only require trump approval nothing else

Those air frames do not have much life left in them. The best bet is to get some 16/ 32or 42 from the boneyard and upgrade them.
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[ziaulislam]

Those air frames do not have much life left in them. The best bet is to get some 16/ 32or 42 from the bonetard and upgrade them.
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True but theoretically extention to 12000 hrs is feasible ..
Getting any deal through congress would require extensive lobbying

 

[Armchair]

The other route is to get the F-16s from Trump (from wherever in however many quantities possible), put them through a structural upgrade, and get approval for the Turkish upgrade path. None of this requires Congress.

 

[Trailer23]

Lockheed looks to sell additional F-16s to customers in Africa, Asia and South America​

By: Valerie Insinna
22/04/2020

WASHINGTON — Lockheed Martin anticipates another wave of international F-16 sales, with countries from Africa, South America and Southeast Asia among those interested in purchasing the jet, the company’s chief financial officer said Tuesday.

“I think this is a good fourth-generation aircraft for those customers that can’t afford the F-35 or, frankly, can’t at this time buy the F-35,” Lockheed CFO Kenneth Possenriede told investors during an April 21 earnings call. “It might be a good intermediary step for customers to go from the F-16 to F-35. So we see it frankly as complementary and not competing against themselves.”

Unlike the F-35 program, which is seeing disruption within its supply chain that could delay future deliveries, the F-16 production line has experienced little impact as a result of the coronavirus pandemic, Possenriede said.

The company moved production of the F-16 production line from Fort Worth, Texas, to Greenville, South Carolina, in 2019 to accommodate production of 16 Block 70 aircraft for Bahrain. Since Bahrain’s order in 2018, Lockheed has garnered contracts for eight F-16s for Bulgaria, 14 aircraft for Slovakia, and is working with the U.S. government on a sale of 66 jets for Taiwan.

“We also have a couple of orders for F-16 that we're working to try to shape,” Possenriede said. “There is an African country that is interested in F-16, so we're hopeful that will happen. [There is also a] South American country, and then there are some Southeast Asian countries that are interested in F-16 as well.”

Possenriede didn’t detail which nations were considering purchases of the F-16, as defense companies typically wait until international militaries publicly declare their interest in a sale before talking about specific customers.

Richard Aboulafia, an aerospace analyst with the Teal Group, said there’s a “pretty good chance” that some of those orders materialize.

“Lockheed was doing a disservice by forgetting the F-16 program for so many years. They had this idea that the future was F-35 and nothing but F-35, ignoring the part of the market that is not prepared to buy the F-35 price tag,” he said. “It’s actually a really good franchise with a really solid core market. It seems ill-advised to neglect it.”

If a new customer in Africa is looking to buy F-16s, it could be Botswana, which has indicated an interest in buying fighter jets, Aboulafia said. Lockheed has already sold F-16s to Morocco and Egypt, and the U.S. State Department in 2019 cleared Morocco for new F-16s and upgrades.

In South America, Lockheed has been trying to sell F-16s to Argentina for years, but Aboulafia believes a second order for Chile is a more likely prospect. In Southeast Asia, a sale to Indonesia “would seem to be one of the most likely possibilities,” he added.

Link: https://www.defensenews.com/global/...l-f-16s-to-customers-in-africa-south-america/

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Lockheed Martin Anticipating F-16 Orders from African, SE Asian Customers​

22/04/2020

Lockheed Martin anticipates F-16 jet sales to new customers from Africa and South East Asia to keep its order book buoyant for the 4th generation fighter in 2020.

“We recently sold F-16s to Bulgaria and Slovakia. There is an African country that is interested in the F-16, so we're hopeful that will happen. A South American country, and some South East Asian countries are interested in the jet as well,” Kenneth R. Possenriede, Chief Financial Officer, Lockheed Martin said during a conference call to financial analysts while announcing the company’s First Quarter 2020 Results on Tuesday.

The African country likely to buy the F-16s could be Morocco. Last year, the US State Department agreed to sell 25 new F-16C/D Block 72 jets to the country for $3.8 billion. In 2019, it also approved a contract to upgrade 23 existing Moroccan F-16s to latest Viper configuration for $985.2 million; and another to supply Joint Direct Attack Munitions (JDAMs) and bombs worth $209 million.

Around two weeks ago, America greenlighted a $68 million deal to provide 10 AGM-84L Harpoon Block II Air Launched missiles for its F-16s.

Link: https://www.defenseworld.net/news/2...from_African__SE_Asian_Customers#.XqFF7sgzbIU

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Yeah, so I thought i'd put the Block 70/72 argument to bed once & for all.

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[Blacklight]

@Knuckles @Windjammer

Is it true that a contract has been signed for a mix of new and used C130J, 9 of them?

And on the F16's we are getting:
36 new Blk72
20 EDA
10 existing PAF to be upgraded?

 

[ZedZeeshan]

@Knuckles @Windjammer

Is it true that a contract has been signed for a mix of new and used C130J, 9 of them?

And on the F16's we are getting:
36 new Blk72
20 EDA
10 existing PAF to be upgraded?

no news till now..

 

[TsAr]

@Knuckles @Windjammer

Is it true that a contract has been signed for a mix of new and used C130J, 9 of them?

And on the F16's we are getting:
36 new Blk72
20 EDA
10 existing PAF to be upgraded?

I wish @Khafee was here to answer this....

 

[Hassan Guy]

I wish @Khafee was here to answer this....

I'll help answer.


None of that is gonna happen.

 

[TsAr]

I'll help answer.


are you saying this from experience or you have some source.....

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

I'll help answer.


None of that is gonna happen.

The Afghan Peace Deal has nothing on the secret plot to ship 1 billion N95 masks to the US. How we got those N95 masks, we don't know, but a meth dealer in the Gulf was important. He didn't actually supply the masks though, or make them, he was there to witness the meeting that saw Pakistan get those masks from a Qatari kid.

 

[Blacklight]

The Afghan Peace Deal has nothing on the secret plot to ship 1 billion N95 masks to the US. How we got those N95 masks, we don't know, but a meth dealer in the Gulf was important. He didn't actually supply the masks though, or make them, he was there to witness the meeting that saw Pakistan get those masks from a Qatari kid.

First time on this forum, I actually dont understand you.