Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

[45'22']

show me some proof, picture, news release ect. I checked google earth did not found a proof.

So IAF is flying them ?

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India has been flying blk52s for long

IAF pilots flying F-16 blk 52+ in India!!

 

[45'22']

And we have been flying UAE F-16 and Mirage2k ever since they were inducted... now suck on that.... RSAF has different doctrine then PAF so IAF has been learning the wrong stuff... lol




No IAF does not know all the strength and weakness of F-16 because they are too dumb to even learn to fly their own planes and keep crashing so as a measure to save their sorry loser faces... they resort to grounding their planes.....

Stop making lame comments
@Oscar

 

[GURU DUTT]

And we have been flying UAE F-16 and Mirage2k ever since they were inducted... now suck on that.... RSAF has different doctrine then PAF so IAF has been learning the wrong stuff... lol




No IAF does not know all the strength and weakness of F-16 because they are too dumb to even learn to fly their own planes and keep crashing so as a measure to save their sorry loser faces... they resort to grounding their planes.....

good luck to you then.... i guess all apkistani hub bul watan PAF fanboys have no need to worry about IAF then... good luck

 

[Donatello]

did i used bad language ?

did i troll in any way ?

did i made any personal or digoratorry remarks ?

did i in any way tried to say anything against pakistani air force or armed forces ?

so kindli explain me what i said was wrong it respect to your bolded part thansk

Guru, are you really that docile?

 

[karakoram]

Windjammer does our F-16s has mid air refueling system ?

 

[Windjammer]

Guru, are you really that docile?

Ignore him, he just needs attention.

@ topic, we all know how IAF performed in the wars, forget shooting wars, even in exercises, the IAF made highly exaggerated claims both during Red Flag and in in Indhra Dahnus 2015, only to ending up embarrassed and humiliated with other side revealing the truth....how many air force commanders go on national TV and start telling scores which turn out to be just false bravado ....but the Indians need all this to keep their tail up.

Windjammer does our F-16s has mid air refueling system ?

 

[karakoram]

Ignore him, he just needs attention.

@ topic, we all know how IAF performed in the wars, forget shooting wars, even in exercises, the IAF made highly exaggerated claims both during Red Flag and in in Indhra Dahnus 2015, only to ending up embarrassed and humiliated with other side revealing the truth....how many air force commanders go on national TV and start telling scores which turn out to be just false bravado ....but the Indians need all this to keep their tail up.

Thanks mate

 

[Viper0011.]

India has been flying blk52s for long

IAF pilots flying F-16 blk 52+ in India!!

Just like the PAF pilots have had good flying experience with Mirage 2k, -15, SU-27 and SU-30 from China?

 

[GURU DUTT]

Just like the PAF pilots have had good flying experience with Mirage 2k, -15, SU-27 and SU-30 from China?

1. since when china had M2K

2.okay that you have full acsess to chinese flankers and now know how they work and how to tackle them but that is under chinese conditions which are very diffrent from sub continent deu to diffrences in altitude and weather

3.we have that capability in india and both singaporean and israeli instructors are working since long to make there and owr preparation /battle tactics even more better

i hope you know what i mean ..... cheers mate

 

[Viper0011.]

what makes you think we are not ?

we are not just flying them but practicing with singaporean pilots and israeli pilots and intructers for at least decade now so in short : we know all the strenth and weaknesses of Block52 F-16s and doing war games/exercises with them with the best (israelies)
and its just one of many trum cards india has

Ok.......so these are the pilots who told the Indian Government not to eff with Pakistan through trying to get into a limited war, because of the scary experience of capabilities these guys had flying the -16 against the SU-30's in house?

I also heard that the Isreali -16's dominate every encounter, be it BVR or WVR simulation against Mirages and SU-30's. Israeli sources say that like the remainder of their experiences, they've maintained 1% loss against Indian top tier planes. Which is why India went to PakFa and Rafale. The SU's have yet to win a sizable engagement against the -16's.

On Singaporean pilots, these guys are, at best, like the Swedish Air-force, the got the nicer toys but don't have have any combat experience outside of NATO exercises since the WWII. So their flying of the -16 is like I'd drive a Ferrari, for fun only. But even in their case, the SU-30 hasn't been shown to "dominate" anything. The results are in -16's favor and sometime in SU's favor.

Clearly explains why the jump from the SU-30 to Rafale or a 5th Gen platform.

By the way, Pakistani pilots have flow from the Mig 29's, to SU-30's, Mirage 2000 and soon Rafales also as Egyptians are getting it. So both sides know everything about the other one's platforms. What is different and has kept India at bay, is the serious capability that the -16 offers and they still can't get to a constant 50% kill ratio, without losing a larger number of SU-30's!!!!

1. since when china had M2K

2.okay that you have full acsess to chinese flankers and now know how they work and how to tackle them but that is under chinese conditions which are very diffrent from sub continent deu to diffrences in altitude and weather

3.we have that capability in india and both singaporean and israeli instructors are working since long to make there and owr preparation /battle tactics even more better

i hope you know what i mean ..... cheers mate

1) The UAE had Mirages and Pakisanis have flowing them in Combat Sorties during the second Gulf war in serious numbers!!!

2) PAF pilots have NOT only flown the SU-27 and SU-30 inside China only, they have ALSO flown these more than twice for a few weeks each inside Pakistan for exercises. For confidentiality and exercise's sake, the SU-30 was put on a far away FOB and was to act like an aggressor (Indo - Pak war scenario) , representing the "Red" force. And to counter it in exercises, the PAF used -16 alone, -16 with F-7 (larger numbers coming in from the Red force), the JFT alone, the JFT with F-7 (larger number coming in from the Red force).

3) If the Singaporeans and Isrealis are going to do everything for you, how about give them the plane and let them fight the PAF too . Its like Moma Isreali AF bird feeding the baby IAF bird, teaching the baby bird how to fly,find food and eat it !!!! And IF you are getting tactics down from the Singaporeans, only God help you. Singaporean pilots are like Swedish pilots, haven't seen a conflict for 3 generations of pilots and the best thing they can do, is to escort Russian planes on and off, or do exercises with NATO, limited to simulations only!!!! And you want these Singaporean pilots to teach you "Tactics"!!!

And that you can't win from the -16, even if you did these exercises for the next 10 years. Israeli's have maintained a 1% loss ratio against the Mirages and the SU-30's and thus, India's decision to go buy Rafale's and 5th gen from Russia. Speaks volume.

There is a reason WHY the "limited warfare" didn't happen as post 2002 was the prime time to involve Pakistan into it as they rarely even had BVR's back then. But the IAF didn't do it because these SAME pilots and exercises, have provided the real truth to the Indian leadership. If you want to attack Pakistan, be ready to lose 50-100 SU-30's and Mirages. And the COST of that, isn't digestible to the Indians. Not to mention the mockery a trying to be "soup-o-powa" would get out of this across the globe!!


And I hope I explained to you what I MEAN....double cheers mate

 

[GURU DUTT]

Ok.......so these are the pilots who told the Indian Government not to eff with Pakistan through trying to get into a limited war, because of the scary experience of capabilities these guys had flying the -16 against the SU-30's in house?

I also heard that the Isreali -16's dominate every encounter, be it BVR or WVR simulation against Mirages and SU-30's. Israeli sources say that like the remainder of their experiences, they've maintained 1% loss against Indian top tier planes. Which is why India went to PakFa and Rafale. The SU's have yet to win a sizable engagement against the -16's.

On Singaporean pilots, these guys are, at best, like the Swedish Air-force, the got the nicer toys but don't have have any combat experience outside of NATO exercises since the WWII. So their flying of the -16 is like I'd drive a Ferrari, for fun only. But even in their case, the SU-30 hasn't been shown to "dominate" anything. The results are in -16's favor and sometime in SU's favor.

Clearly explains why the jump from the SU-30 to Rafale or a 5th Gen platform.

By the way, Pakistani pilots have flow from the Mig 29's, to SU-30's, Mirage 2000 and soon Rafales also as Egyptians are getting it. So both sides know everything about the other one's platforms. What is different and has kept India at bay, is the serious capability that the -16 offers and they still can't get to a constant 50% kill ratio, without losing a larger number of SU-30's!!!!



1) The UAE had Mirages and Pakisanis have flowing them in Combat Sorties during the second Gulf war in serious numbers!!!

2) PAF pilots have NOT only flown the SU-27 and SU-30 inside China only, they have ALSO flown these more than twice for a few weeks each inside Pakistan for exercises. For confidentiality and exercise's sake, the SU-30 was put on a far away FOB and was to act like an aggressor (Indo - Pak war scenario) , representing the "Red" force. And to counter it in exercises, the PAF used -16 alone, -16 with F-7 (larger numbers coming in from the Red force), the JFT alone, the JFT with F-7 (larger number coming in from the Red force).

3) If the Singaporeans and Isrealis are going to do everything for you, how about give them the plane and let them fight the PAF too . Its like Moma Isreali AF bird feeding the baby IAF bird, teaching the baby bird how to fly,find food and eat it !!!! And IF you are getting tactics down from the Singaporeans, only God help you. Singaporean pilots are like Swedish pilots, haven't seen a conflict for 3 generations of pilots and the best thing they can do, is to escort Russian planes on and off, or do exercises with NATO, limited to simulations only!!!! And you want these Singaporean pilots to teach you "Tactics"!!!

And that you can't win from the -16, even if you did these exercises for the next 10 years. Israeli's have maintained a 1% loss ratio against the Mirages and the SU-30's and thus, India's decision to go buy Rafale's and 5th gen from Russia. Speaks volume.

There is a reason WHY the "limited warfare" didn't happen as post 2002 was the prime time to involve Pakistan into it as they rarely even had BVR's back then. But the IAF didn't do it because these SAME pilots and exercises, have provided the real truth to the Indian leadership. If you want to attack Pakistan, be ready to lose 50-100 SU-30's and Mirages. And the COST of that, isn't digestible to the Indians. Not to mention the mockery a trying to be "soup-o-powa" would get out of this across the globe!!


And I hope I explained to you what I MEAN....double cheers mate

thing is its not 2002 and we know what you have and are constanlli working on owr doctroine just as you are working on yours and good luck with all your preprations

as for F-16 and your so called masterry over it and the dream that we will never be able to counter it all i can say is good luck ...... cheers mate

 

[silent hawk]

thing is its not 2002 and we know what you have and are constanlli working on owr doctroine just as you are working on yours and good luck with all your preprations

as for F-16 and your so called masterry over it and the dream that we will never be able to counter it all i can say is good luck ...... cheers mate

It is not a dream. It is the mastery of our air crafts which foiled Indian designs in 2002

The real threat to IAF now is from its own public as they cannot continue to support an Airforce that has no practical use.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

good luck to you then.... i guess all apkistani hub bul watan PAF fanboys have no need to worry about IAF then... good luck

as long as indians are in cockpit PAF needs not to worry just like we slaughtered IAF in 65 and 71...

 

[danger007]

as long as indians are in cockpit PAF needs not to worry just like we slaughtered IAF in 65 and 71...

71????? i hope you are fine... any how all the best. ... believe whatever you wanted...

 

[Imran Khan]

71????? i hope you are fine... any how all the best. ... believe whatever you wanted...