Pakistan F-16 Discussions 2

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^^^ Those are American F-16s

 

[SQ8]

18 new F-16C/D cannot be delivered within one month. however 18 F-16C/D blk 40's can be transferred from EDA stocks on 'as is' basis.
so if the news is true, then it would be a combination of...

1-F16D - blk 52
3-F16A/B - blk 15MLU
14-F-16C/D - blk 40's (as USN still hasnt agreed to release the 14 F-16A's which were originally designated for PAF but were embargoed)

but before we jump for joy lets wait for DSCA announcement (if any)

The condition those airframes will be in makes it better to have other EDA jets.

 

[nomi007]

now ef-2020 will have cft

 

[air marshal]

Today In History

January 15, 1983: The first of two F-16As and four F-16B were flown to Sargodha by the six pioneers, with a young Squadron Leader Shahid Lateef (retd as Vice Chief of the Air Staff, PAF) grabbing the media's spotlight by landing the first F-16B (serial# 82602) aircraft. The first unit to re-equip with the F-16 in January 1983 was Sargodha based No. 11 'Arrows' Squadron, which by now was under the command of one of the six pioneers - Wing Commander Shahid Javed.

 

[fatman17]

18 new F-16C/D cannot be delivered within one month. however 18 F-16C/D blk 40's can be transferred from EDA stocks on 'as is' basis.
so if the news is true, then it would be a combination of...

1-F16D - blk 52
3-F16A/B - blk 15MLU
14-F-16C/D - blk 40's (as USN still hasnt agreed to release the 14 F-16A's which were originally designated for PAF but were embargoed)

but before we jump for joy lets wait for DSCA announcement (if any)

Pakistan to receive surplus US F-16 fighters


Gareth Jennings Aviation Desk Editor - London


Pakistan is set to receive a number of modified Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon combat aircraft over the coming months, the US Embassy in Islamabad has revealed.


Pakistan looks set to receive a further 14 surplus F-16s from the US in the coming months.

According to a US Embassy statement issued in early January, "several ... F-16s purchased by Pakistan from the US are undergoing mid-life upgrades [MLU] and will arrive in Pakistan beginning in late January. Deliveries will continue throughout this year and next."

While Pakistan is known to be waiting on the delivery later this month of the last of 18 new-build F-16C/D fighters ordered under the 'Peace Drive' I programme, there has been no clear statement on the status of upgraded legacy F-16 platforms due to be delivered.

In July 2006 a US Defence Security and Cooperation Agency (DSCA) notification informed the US Congress of the possible sale of 36 F-16C/D Block 50/52 fighters and 60 Falcon Star MLU kits: the proposed F-16C/D deal was later halved to the 18 jets currently being delivered.

While some of the Falcon Star MLU kits are to be fitted to the Pakistan Air Force's existing F-16 inventory, 28 have been earmarked for ex-US Air Force F-16A/B (or perhaps early F-16C/D) aircraft to be donated to Pakistan at no cost (except for the cost of the upgrade and transportation to Pakistan). To date, only 14 surplus aircraft have been donated, with Pakistan waiting on the remaining 14 F-16s.

In March 2011 Pakistani Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman confirmed that talks were taking place with Washington for the acquisition of the 14 outstanding F-16s and it is thought that the US Embassy's statement refers to these aircraft.

Pakistan originally purchased F-16s from the US in the 1980s but delivery was suspended with 28 outstanding in 1989 by then President George HW Bush over Islamabad's nuclear weapons programme. In 1998 the US agreed to pay Pakistan compensation of USD325 million in cash and USD140 million worth of surplus wheat and soy for the outstanding aircraft.


COMMENT
The timing of this apparent agreement between the two countries for the release of the 14 F-16s is especially significant as it comes at possibly the lowest ebb in relations between the two countries.

Following the air strike by US helicopters on a Pakistan Army position close to the Afghan border on 26 November 2011, the already fraught and dysfunctional relationship between the reluctant allies hit an all-time low with Pakistan closing its border with Afghanistan to US and NATO supply convoys.

Despite US apologies over the incident, which left 26 Pakistani soldiers dead, Pakistan has so far rebuffed any overtures from Washington and, publically at least, steadfastly refuses any conciliation with its supposed partner in the war against the Taliban.

With coalition forces set to end combat operations in Afghanistan by the end of 2014, the US military has already drawn up plans to ship its more than USD30 billion of equipment out of the Central Asian country. With the Pakistan border crossings providing the route in and out of Afghanistan for more than 30 per cent of NATOs equipment, Washington will be eager for a normalisation of relations with Islamabad as quickly as possible.

Whether or not this F-16 deal is intended to help ease tensions between the US and Pakistan is unclear, but the arrival of additional fighters will no doubt go a long way to calming the waters between them.

 

[nomi007]

Pakistan to receive surplus US F-16 fighters


Gareth Jennings Aviation Desk Editor - London


Pakistan is set to receive a number of modified Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon combat aircraft over the coming months, the US Embassy in Islamabad has revealed.


Pakistan looks set to receive a further 14 surplus F-16s from the US in the coming months.

According to a US Embassy statement issued in early January, "several ... F-16s purchased by Pakistan from the US are undergoing mid-life upgrades [MLU] and will arrive in Pakistan beginning in late January. Deliveries will continue throughout this year and next."

While Pakistan is known to be waiting on the delivery later this month of the last of 18 new-build F-16C/D fighters ordered under the 'Peace Drive' I programme, there has been no clear statement on the status of upgraded legacy F-16 platforms due to be delivered.

In July 2006 a US Defence Security and Cooperation Agency (DSCA) notification informed the US Congress of the possible sale of 36 F-16C/D Block 50/52 fighters and 60 Falcon Star MLU kits: the proposed F-16C/D deal was later halved to the 18 jets currently being delivered.

While some of the Falcon Star MLU kits are to be fitted to the Pakistan Air Force's existing F-16 inventory, 28 have been earmarked for ex-US Air Force F-16A/B (or perhaps early F-16C/D) aircraft to be donated to Pakistan at no cost (except for the cost of the upgrade and transportation to Pakistan). To date, only 14 surplus aircraft have been donated, with Pakistan waiting on the remaining 14 F-16s.

In March 2011 Pakistani Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman confirmed that talks were taking place with Washington for the acquisition of the 14 outstanding F-16s and it is thought that the US Embassy's statement refers to these aircraft.

Pakistan originally purchased F-16s from the US in the 1980s but delivery was suspended with 28 outstanding in 1989 by then President George HW Bush over Islamabad's nuclear weapons programme. In 1998 the US agreed to pay Pakistan compensation of USD325 million in cash and USD140 million worth of surplus wheat and soy for the outstanding aircraft.


COMMENT
The timing of this apparent agreement between the two countries for the release of the 14 F-16s is especially significant as it comes at possibly the lowest ebb in relations between the two countries.

Following the air strike by US helicopters on a Pakistan Army position close to the Afghan border on 26 November 2011, the already fraught and dysfunctional relationship between the reluctant allies hit an all-time low with Pakistan closing its border with Afghanistan to US and NATO supply convoys.

Despite US apologies over the incident, which left 26 Pakistani soldiers dead, Pakistan has so far rebuffed any overtures from Washington and, publically at least, steadfastly refuses any conciliation with its supposed partner in the war against the Taliban.

With coalition forces set to end combat operations in Afghanistan by the end of 2014, the US military has already drawn up plans to ship its more than USD30 billion of equipment out of the Central Asian country. With the Pakistan border crossings providing the route in and out of Afghanistan for more than 30 per cent of NATOs equipment, Washington will be eager for a normalisation of relations with Islamabad as quickly as possible.

Whether or not this F-16 deal is intended to help ease tensions between the US and Pakistan is unclear, but the arrival of additional fighters will no doubt go a long way to calming the waters between them.

good for us this will improve our defense
i hope pakistan soon have 100+ f-16 in his inventory

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

How does the F16 qualify as "high tech?" It hasn't been in use by the United States for a long time, you are talking about a plane that originally came out in the 70s. Somehow I don't think the US is going to be too concerned about losing any "secret technologies" from a plane design that is older than most of the people on this forum...

coming from someone (claiming to be israeli)......the bulk of your air force consists of F-16 aircrafts as well, don't forget that.

if the US isnt concerned, why is israel concerned --especially about Sniper target pods which were meant for Egyptian Air Force --- a move which israel and its lobbyist groups objected to

 

[ziaulislam]

so are we getting more f-16s or not?

 

[ziaulislam]

this would be a big boast especially if they come out to be f-16c/ds that upgraded..we will i think then have a strength of approx 77/78 aircrafts..still quite some required to get to 100 mark.

 

[Imran Khan]

sir fatman link of your article please i wanna sher it but with link

 

[farhan_9909]

63+1
18 they agreed last week and 14 more now

and what about those 32 embargoed one back in 90'2?

 

[SQ8]

63+1
18 they agreed last week and 14 more now

and what about those 32 embargoed one back in 90'2?

Part of the 63 and the coming 14

 

[TOPGUN]

Part of the 63 and the coming 14

So Santro this means they are willing to release 14 vipers that were embargoed before or these are surplus USAF vipers?

 

[BATMAN]

So Santro this means they are willing to release 14 vipers that were embargoed before or these are surplus USAF vipers?

If they are than it is quite a surprise decision, which went unnoticed by the US senate.

In recent past, US did not permit Norway to sell their retired F-16 to Pakistan.

 

[regular]

I guess we need to forget about the F-16 game cuz it seems unproductive to me.....