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Pakistan could shatter Indian army in 62 but US intervened: Bruce Riedel

I dont believe this. Indias full military might was placed on its western border. Around 10 000 Indian soldiers fought in the war with China. The rest were all facing Pakistan and afaik there a negligble if any existance of tanks and aircraft in the sino-indian conflict. Again these were focused on Kashmir and the western border.

What Riedel wants us to believe is that the Pakistani army on a couple of weeks notice could have mobilized (forget building up oil and ammunitions reserves) and fought a much larger army and shattered it just because a couple of thousand Indian soldiers were losing to the Chinese in a remote corner of the Himalays. Sorry but this just sounds like sensationalist journalism to create headlines.
 
nik141991 said:
Pakistan lost 15000 sq km in west : Fact

Got beaten from deserts of sindh & Rajasthan in longewala to the plains of Punjab in sialkot in basantar to mountain of kargil in j&k : Facts
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Thousands of Indian soldiers had surrendered in the West even before the fall of Dacca. Hard Fact.
 
Bamxa said:
I dont believe this. Indias full military might was placed on its western border. Around 10 000 Indian soldiers fought in the war with China. The rest were all facing Pakistan and afaik there a negligble if any existance of tanks and aircraft in the sino-indian conflict. Again these were focused on Kashmir and the western border.

What Riedel wants us to believe is that the Pakistani army on a couple of weeks notice could have mobilized (forget building up oil and ammunitions reserves) and fought a much larger army and shattered it just because a couple of thousand Indian soldiers were losing to the Chinese in a remote corner of the Himalays. Sorry but this just sounds like sensationalist journalism to create headlines.
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There is merit in what you have said.

Both IA & PA remained ill equipped & trained for mountain warfare . It was the 62 debacle that changed things on the Indian side.

Essentially it was one Corps + which faced the Chinese , the rest IA remained neither were troops from J&K diverted.
 
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nik141991 said:
To dumb to understand between taking prisoners in war & actually military surrender :lol:
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Off course you are too dumb, do you just walk in and take thousands of prisoners or ask them to surrender before leading them out......in one case, 55 Indian soldiers surrendered to a single Pakistani heli pilot....or maybe he single handedly overpowered 55. :laugh:
 
third eye said:
There is merit in what you have said.

Both IA & PA remained ill equipped & trained for mountain warfare . It was the 62 debacle that changed things on the Indian side.

Essentially it was one Corps + which faced the Chinese , the rest IA remained neither were troops from J&K diverted.
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Indeed and 62 certainly gave the PA the impetus to have a go at the IA as well but of course the stark difference between the Indian situation viz a viz China and Pakistan became very apparent during this war. India shares a mountanious and inhospitable border with China and the technological barriers of that time prevented any large scale military operations to threaten each others cores (I believe this is why the Chinese withdrew after achieving thier objectives centered around the border regions). Pakistans situation with India however is completely different. The flat plains of Punjab pose no serious obstacles for an invading army from the east, the PA was numerically inferior and supplies of key resources such as oil and ammunitions ran out fast too during the war. A Pakistan India conflict has completly different dynamics hence as compared to a Sino-Indian conflict and this is probably what kept Ayub Khan hesitant from joining the 62 war. He tried his luck in 65 encouraged by the Chinese victory in 62 but despite a good performance especially by the PAF overall the aforementioned dynamics came into play and led to the result.
 
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Wow wow wow !! Winder Jammer ....Jamming again.... an Admin officer at it again !!

Point 1 - Facts is In 1962 Pakistan could have hold India by its Balls - Opportunity Missed.

Point 2 - thanks to China we were able to Hold our stance in 1965

Point 3 - In 1971 As per my dearest friends, indian Army ate "Chole" and Mukto Bahini did every thing...

Point 4 - In Kargil Pakistan Army didnt retreat it was " That SOB of Nawaz" who made us Retreat "

History remembers what actually Happens.....you lost 3600 Brave men (my eternal respects to those "Sher - De- Puttar" who fought with Basic service equipment for their Watan - what a Great Respect)

Each Nation has its own Version

Bottom line is Who Held the Ground.
 
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Bamxa said:
Indeed and 62 certainly gave the PA the impetus to have a go at the IA as well but of course the stark difference between the Indian situation viz a viz China and Pakistan became very apparent during this war. India shares a mountanious and inhospitable border with China and the technological barriers of that time prevented any large scale military operations to threaten each others cores (I believe this is why the Chinese withdrew after achieving thier objectives centered around the border regions). Pakistans situation with India however is completely different. The flat plains of Punjab pose no serious obstacles for an invading army from the east, the PA was numerically inferior and supplies of key resources such as oil and ammunitions ran out fast too during the war. A Pakistan India conflict has completly different dynamics hence to a Sino-Indian conflict and this is probably what kept Ayub Khan hesitant from joining the 62 war. He tried his luck in 65 encouraged by the Chinese victory in 62 but despite a good performance especially by the PAF overall the aforementioned dynamics came into play and led to the result.
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Pak then was firmly in the CENTO.

Ayub needed US help & was in no position to do anything that would go against US interests and weaken a nation fighting the communists - something the world wanted to stop.
 
Bamxa said:
Indeed and 62 certainly gave the PA the impetus to have a go at the IA as well but of course the stark difference between the Indian situation viz a viz China and Pakistan became very apparent during this war. India shares a mountanious and inhospitable border with China and the technological barriers of that time prevented any large scale military operations to threaten each others cores (I believe this is why the Chinese withdrew after achieving thier objectives centered around the border regions). Pakistans situation with India however is completely different. The flat plains of Punjab pose no serious obstacles for an invading army from the east, the PA was numerically inferior and supplies of key resources such as oil and ammunitions ran out fast too during the war. A Pakistan India conflict has completly different dynamics hence as compared to a Sino-Indian conflict and this is probably what kept Ayub Khan hesitant from joining the 62 war. He tried his luck in 65 encouraged by the Chinese victory in 62 but despite a good performance especially by the PAF overall the aforementioned dynamics came into play and led to the result.
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As per the author USA wanted to utilize the situation as they were seeing a potential buyer in India hence used its diplomatic clout on Pak to stay away from it
 
45'22' said:
Pak millitary is obsessed with India
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lol actually we consider India an enemy and a mortal threat to us until Kashmir is resolved. Kashmir issue was there before terrorism before wars in 1947 so its the issue no 1. Its the litmus test for India if India resolves it Pak military will deal with other threats ie westren border and in future both Pak/India can be terror free.
On the other hand India with all its so called might and some Indians thinking that India is superpower or soon to be are totally obsessed with Pakistan instead of China lol. Your news/media/bollywood is dominated and obsessed by the word Pakistan. Don't believe me well pick one news channel of India and one news channel of Pakistan spend a whole day watching them side by side and you will see word Pakistan atleast 208 times more than the word India on an Pakistani news Channel or go on youtube type the word Pakistan and click recent and you would see how many obsessed Indian have videos on any given day. lol Talk about obsession.Oh this thread is an example and you my friend on this very forum is another example. We Pakistanis are sexy and we just know it. Do it if you have guts and then comeback here and apologize for your statement.
 
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monitor said:
Pakistan have missed the opportunity to take back Kashmir . though it was tough for them to defy the US pressure yet if they actually tried to take back may be the history of subcontinent would different.
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Rajakars have missed the opportunity to annihilate you.

Windjammer said:
Thousands of Indian soldiers had surrendered in the West even before the fall of Dacca. Hard Fact.
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Taking prisoner is different and the whole country officially surrendering is different.

Koi samjhao isko yaar.. :lol:
 

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