Pakistan conducts successful test launches of 4 x Nasr missiles 05 Nov, 2013

[genmirajborgza786]

I fail to see the point of battlefield short range nukes. A nuke is a nuke, and the retaliation from India would be the same and massive, whether Pakistan nukes New Delhi or some Army formations near the border.

Think about it, its not like India is gonna say, hey Pakistan lobbed only a small nuke so lets cut them some slack and hit back with a small nuke too. Nuclear weapon is supposed to be the last resort, so any retaliation from India would be to give a death blow.

All Nasr has done is made South Asia perhaps the most dangerous place on the face of the earth.

Pakistan's main nuclear stockpile is not tactical but Strategic, no country is that immature to go nuclear for tactical purposes, it just doesn't make sense nasr carrying an TNW is an additional feature not the aim of it, after all it can also carry conventional weapons as well. The main aim of a nuclear weapons program is deterrent plus acquiring the ability for Mutual Annihilations & for that a nation needs strategic weapons & not tactical, nasr is comparable to nirbhay & just like India's weapons program is much more then nirbhay , Pakistan's weapons program is also much more then nasr , it just that nasr have been talked about a lot unlike nirbhay , or got more exposure then its counter part

 

[Secur]

its 3077.066 km from karachi (taking the southern most city) to port blair and wiki reported range of shaheen 2 is 2500km .. now u r turn

But , why fire it from Karachi in the first place ? Why not from somewhere more closer to Port Blair ? Why not decrease the payload of the Shaheen-2 because that will result in increase of the range of the missile ? @AhaseebA

 

[erwineugene]

Pakistan's main nuclear stockpile is not tactical but Strategic, no country is that immature to go nuclear for tactical purposes, it just doesn't make sense nasr carrying an TNW is an additional feature not the aim of it, after all it can also carry conventional weapons as well. The main aim of a nuclear weapons program is deterrent plus acquiring the ability for Mutual Annihilations & for that a nation needs strategic weapons & not tactical, nasr is comparable to nirbhay & just like India's weapons program is much more then nirbhay , Pakistan's weapons program is also much more then nasr , it just that nasr have been talked about a lot unlike nirbhay , or got more exposure then its counter part

the reason nasr was more talked about is because of the pak doctrine giving impetus on the use of it as a tactical wep . i have never seen any where talking about its strategic purpose

 

[EagleEyes]

Thread cleared, thanks to all those ignored. Others Elite need some coaching up on how to ignore.

 

[erwineugene]

Its actual simulation , where does photoshop come in between ? Backed by actual facts and figures and that is only of hundred detonations on most populous Indian cities . Pakistan's stockpiles are currently at 120 and counting .

well, in that case a scenario about pakistan can also be there and iam sure 50 warheads would be enough then
....now we have double the number required then. all ready attained self sufficiency

 

[Secur]

well, in that case a scenario about pakistan can also be there and iam sure 50 warheads would be enough then
....now we have double the number required then. all ready attained self sufficiency

You should read posts more carefully in such case . I said that the continuity of the nuclear strikes , by India , after the use of TNW , will force Pakistan to do the same and result in " Mutually Assured Destruction " hence the only way to ensure you do not lose to " not play " . Double or triple numbers do not matter since the " warheads " required to accomplish that and inflict " unacceptable damage " are already there . What difficulty are you having in understand such a little thing being explained from first post here by different members ? 

Hence, unless India changes its policies to one of gradual escalation in nuclear weapons as well, its own policies are going ensure the success of TNWs as a deterrent force.

Precisely , mate  

Thread cleared, thanks to all those ignored. Others Elite need some coaching up on how to ignore.

Thanks . I have a suggestion . Get some more moderators , sir to ensure that the quality of discussion doesn't go down .

 

[Neptune]

interesting i didnt knew that when did that happen?
@Neptune 

The Nasr will be used in our territory against invading enemy formations. Even if u still believe that yr Country has right to respond after this in our territory then u can go ahead. But remember our retaliation will be even massive then yrs.

In short if we go down we will make sure yr the first ones to go in hell.

here you go bro

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J-600T_Yıldırım

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-122_sakarya

 

[erwineugene]

You should read posts more carefully in such case . I said that the continuity of the nuclear strikes , by India , after the use of TNW , will force Pakistan to do the same and result in " Mutually Assured Destruction " hence the only way to ensure you do not lose to " not play " . Double or triple numbers do not matter since the " warheads " required to accomplish that and inflict " unacceptable damage " are already there . What difficulty are you having in understand such a little thing being explained from first post here by different members ?

I understood what u r trying to say...i was just trolling there!
by the way the wiki tells that the re entry vehicle in shaheen 2 weighs 1000 kg (warhead+guidence system+heatshield) so how much a warhead weighs for the missile to reach its max range 2500 km? is it effective then. and how much is it to be reduced to reach 3000 km? is it effective even then

 

[Secur]

I understood what u r trying to say...i was just trolling there!
by the way the wiki tells that the re entry vehicle in shaheen 2 weighs 1000 kg (warhead+guidence system+heatshield) so how much a warhead weighs for the missile to reach its max range 2500 km? is it effective then. and how much is it to be reduced to reach 3000 km? is it effective even then

Just a second ago , a troll got banned , if you weren't here to witness that

The simplest way to increase the range of a missile is to reduce the weight of the payload (i.e. the warhead). For an SRBM, halving the payload increases its range by 150%.For ballistic missiles with ranges of greater than 1,000 km, however, halving the payload increases the range only by some 20%.

http://missilethreat.com/range-accuracy-and-warheads/

To attack the tiny city of Port Blair , Pakistan only needs to increase the range of Shaheen-2 * sources which aren't considered much reliable have pointed that the range of the missile is much higher than reported * by a mere 200-250 KM's to reach that city and as for the payload , even a small warhead would do the job there .

 

[genmirajborgza786]

Now there, keep on increasing the nuke replies...what do you get? MAD, right? So, in order to avoid that, we need to avoid initiating the conflict, yes?
Well, there you are. Any sort of full-scale Indo-Pak military conflict deterred.

And Nasr is not about demonstrating a new capability...rather it is a new strategy (in the IndoPak region).

could you please explain it in detail, what if, India chooses to respond with a massive strategical nuke strike, will we wait to get hit first, which obviously doesn't makes sense, or will it be launched simultaneously like they launch, we get the info before hand & launch our massive strategical ( not tactical as it will be too small for a successful MAD scenario ) strike to initiate a formal mutual assured annihilation
please shed some light into this as even I am confused

 

[farhan_9909]

Shaheen II had a range of 3000km aswell reported in the missile threat site aswell

Though NDC/NESCOM would have done something to cover whole of India if we had developed shaheen II a decade before than certainly i refuse to believe that we have done nothing since than

 

[Secur]

@genmirajborgza786

I believe that your question has already been answered here , mate

http://www.defence.pk/threads/05-no...-4-x-nasr-missiles.286074/page-8#post-4922763

 

[Manindra]

Another extension of 1965's India would not attack despite op. Gibralter, 1971's Defence of the east lie in the west or 1999's India surrender kargil just like Pakistan surrendered Siachin assumptions.

 

[erwineugene]

Another extension of 1965's India would not attack despite op. Gibralter, 1971's Defence of the east lie in the west or 1999's India surrender kargil just like Pakistan surrendered Siachin assumptions.

your point is?

 

[Water Car Engineer]

India sends a Mars probe today and on the same day Pakistan tests one of it's battlefield missiles - kinda points of the direction and to the priorities of our nations.

India is testing more missiles than Pakistan now, sooo...