Pakistan conducted successful flight test of Air Launched Cruise Missile “Ra’ad-II”.

[Pakistani Fighter]

Because the memebers over estimates the range of s400
Its common range is ~100km not the 200-300km often quoted
Raad will never be used for that purpose

Its max range is 400km and its radar max range is 600km as said by some members here

 

[ziaulislam]

Its max range is 400km and its raar max range is 600km as said by some members here

No its not
The max range around 250 ONLY WITH SEPCIAL MISSLE whoch india wont even buy more than 40-50.
The 400km missles is under trials

Also radar range is irrelevant as it has different fire and control and detection radar..
Forget about low flying objects thats not even possible to detect early

The 40n6e missles hasnt been exported or verified by an independent expert

 

[Basel]

No its not
The max range around 250 ONLY WITH SEPCIAL MISSLE whoch india wont even buy more than 40-50.
The 400km missles is under trials

Also radar range is irrelevant as it has different fire and control and detection radar..
Forget about low flying objects thats not even possible to detect early

The 40n6e missles hasnt been exported or verified by an independent expert

Big question is that, is 400km range missile good against small RCS birds like JFT and F-16 at max range? Because 400km range is said to be good against large birds e.g. AWACS, MPAs etc.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

400km range is said to be good against large birds e.g. AWACS, MPAs etc.

Means our AWACs and Tankers are staying away from 400km of the launcher

 

[ziaulislam]

Big question is that, is 400km range missile good against small RCS birds like JFT and F-16 at max range? Because 400km range is said to be good against large birds e.g. AWACS, MPAs etc.

Well there is no 380km range missles YET.
Even if there was one ..the fire contril solution will be tricky
And even of they solve that the missles kill range will be still low and manuveribility bad

 

[S.Y.A]

No its not
The max range around 250 ONLY WITH SEPCIAL MISSLE whoch india wont even buy more than 40-50.
The 400km missles is under trials

Also radar range is irrelevant as it has different fire and control and detection radar..
Forget about low flying objects thats not even possible to detect early

The 40n6e missles hasnt been exported or verified by an independent expert

whatever the max range is, it is the diagonal range. therefore not truly 200 or 300 or 400.

 

[Basel]

Means our AWACs and Tankers are staying away from 400km of the launcher

It depends what tactics and assets PAF will deploy against threat posed by India.

 

[TsAr]

Lots of members mentioned Raad-2 being used against S-400. Why can't the PAF not use its Anti-Radiation missiles against S-400 instead?

Everyone is entitled to a viewpoint.....What weapon to use will depend upon the situation....Depending on the circumstances people who matter would decide how to counter s-400 or any other weapon...

 

[Signalian]

Lots of members mentioned Raad-2 being used against S-400. Why can't the PAF not use its Anti-Radiation missiles against S-400 instead?

Because the memebers over estimates the range of s400
Its common range is ~100km not the 200-300km often quoted
Raad will never be used for that purpose

Ra'ad is used for D-EAD Ops, not exactly S-EAD Ops. ARM are primarily used for SEAD Ops, not DEAD Ops. If ARM serves its purpose to destroy radars, then Ra'ad might not be required to destroy SAM launchers.

There is no set rule book which limits mission planning for a cruise missile. The classical literature has been shaped by the technical limitations of past decades. Ultra long endurance and mid-course corrections open up an entirely new set of possibilities which bring entirely new headaches for the enemy.

Theoretically maybe, practically its yet to be seen.

Big question is that, is 400km range missile good against small RCS birds like JFT and F-16 at max range? Because 400km range is said to be good against large birds e.g. AWACS, MPAs etc.

S-400 can also work on principles of ABM/ACM shield, to stop incoming BM/CM instead of just acting as a basic SAM.
As for the range, it will be a n EW/ECM tug of war. The further a target stays away from the radar (S-400 Radar), the difficult it is for the radar to track and lock it. The close the target moves to the Radar, it becomes easier for the radar to track,lock and fire on it. Similarly, its difficult to jam the S-400 Radar as the EW aircraft gets closer to it, since the transmitter power of S-400 radar would be higher than that of the EW aircraft jammer.

If PAF's AWACS, MPAs and Air-Refueller are with in Pakistan's airspace and protected by EW/ECM of AWACS or DA-20, as they will be receiving radar radiation of the S-400 radar and countering them through their own means and thwarting a lock onto PAF aircrafts, then PAF aircrafts are safe within own air space. F-16 have EW pods that can break locks.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

F-16 have EW pods that can break locks.

And JF 17s?

 

[raazh]

The real question will be that how India will use its own air assets if and when S400 goes into hunting mode .. cz lets face it their record is abysmal .. at longer ranges it might prove to be more dangerous for India than Pakistan ..

 

[Basel]

Ra'ad is used for D-EAD Ops, not exactly S-EAD Ops. ARM are primarily used for SEAD Ops, not DEAD Ops. If ARM serves its purpose to destroy radars, then Ra'ad might not be required to destroy SAM launchers.


Theoretically maybe, practically its yet to be seen.


S-400 can also work on principles of ABM/ACM shield, to stop incoming BM/CM instead of just acting as a basic SAM.
As for the range, it will be a n EW/ECM tug of war. The further a target stays away from the radar (S-400 Radar), the difficult it is for the radar to track and lock it. The close the target moves to the Radar, it becomes easier for the radar to track,lock and fire on it. Similarly, its difficult to jam the S-400 Radar as the EW aircraft gets closer to it, since the transmitter power of S-400 radar would be higher than that of the EW aircraft jammer.

If PAF's AWACS, MPAs and Air-Refueller are with in Pakistan's airspace and protected by EW/ECM of AWACS or DA-20, as they will be receiving radar radiation of the S-400 radar and countering them through their own means and thwarting a lock onto PAF aircrafts, then PAF aircrafts are safe within own air space. F-16 have EW pods that can break locks.

JFT also have self protection jammer / EW capabilities, block-3 will enhance it, also Ground based Radars and EW systems will play their role so situation is not as bad as many here pose it.

MALD type system should be developed for penetrating advance Air Defense systems, it can also allow other assets and munitions to go through enemy defenses.

 

[Signalian]

JFT also have self protection jammer / EW capabilities, block-3 will enhance it

Details of these ?

And JF 17s?

Not that im undermining JFT, but the whole system in place supports the aircraft and the Ops.

 

[Basel]

Details of these ?


Not that im undermining JFT, but the whole system in place supports the aircraft and the Ops.

Do you think PA and PAF will share those in public?? Did PA ever mentioned in public that they had installed EW equipment on Mi-17 and had sent it near border to collect data??

 

[Gripen9]

One significant change made is to the air intake. Used to be a complex retractable mechanism which has been changed to fixed version. Which has resulted in lower weight and volume inside the body that is being used for fuel now extending the range. Otherwise the body dimensions are essentially same.