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The best decision Pakistanis ever made in the last 50 years is to choosing China as her major allies.

Somehow i dont like the tone of it. The reason for this is because Pakistan decided to stand with China when China was a nobody, West could careless and was not willing to open up to China or chinese. It was Pakistan that provided a gateway between China and the West. Anyhow enough with the history lessons, whether it was the best or not but it was certainly the right one.
 
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Your so called brother is heavily link and depend on NATO and USA for protection and military assist.
So what we were heavily dependent on USA too for about 2-3 decades.
US is hostile against Pakistan. It will not be long US forced turkey to turn hostile against pakistan. Turkey forsake of its alliance with NATO and bigger benefit from US will have to compliance.

That is a reality and limitation of turkey.
Firstly US ain`t hostile toward Pakistan.Its just that our bilateral relations are now a bit unpleasant which is not surprising considering the US-Pak relations have always been this way.So all this theory of your is based on a hypothesis which simply ain`t true.
Secondly,even if we assume that USA is hostile to Pakistan and they decide to attack Pakistan than I can assure you that there is no way in hell Turkey is gonna support them.At best for USA,Turkey will remain neutral.....
 
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A big advantage US has is the fact its stuff uses battle tested technology coming out of Silicon Valley.

Now a days technology is so advance and already test in various phase of production that these things are not consider any more. Yes only things matter is man and machine interface.

Yes China is the all weather Friend but Turkey is our Brother....Peace

Both of them are our brother and China is our iron brother.

Your so called brother is heavily link and depend on NATO and USA for protection and military assist. That is not a good thing. US is hostile against Pakistan. It will not be long US forced turkey to turn hostile against pakistan. Turkey forsake of its alliance with NATO and bigger benefit from US will have to compliance.

That is a reality and limitation of turkey.

Come down brother and you both are our brothers
 
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Now a days technology is so advance and already test in various phase of production that these things are not consider any more. Yes only things matter is man and machine interface.

Technology is not static. It's constantly changing and US spends far more on research than any other nation.

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http://www.riazhaq.com/2014/06/civilian-democracy-vs-military.html
 
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Technology is not static. It's constantly changing and US spends far more on research than any other nation.

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http://www.riazhaq.com/2014/06/civilian-democracy-vs-military.html

You are correct Dr. Sahab but now trend is changing and China is investing more and more and currently if you check spending on research then then you come to know that China is investing more because of low cost solution anf resource available then US. In China the cost is 1/3 of US and their budget is more then 60% compare to US.

http://www.universityworldnews.com/article.php?story=20141114112226407
 
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The best decision Pakistanis ever made in the last 50 years is to choosing China as her major allies.

Just like how Jerry Yang, founder of Yahoo decide to bag China Alibaba corp with USD1billion dollar. Turn out to be the best investment ever make despite initial criticism and mockery by rivals.

200% Agreed, bro. We highly regard our relations with you people. Thank you for all your help.

A news for you in below link......

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/islama...s-of-activities-to-celebrate-chinese-new-year

:pakistan::china:

Beware of the west, they are doing whatever they can to undermined sino- pakistan r/s to end this military cooperation. They are even using turkey as proxy trying to do the job. The true all weather Pakistan have is China.

Turkey will never cooperate with NATO against Pakistan....This is damn sure.

Turks regard brotherhood. It is nation of Honor.
 
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Stop chasing France’s Rafale: India’s air warriors can’t fly on foreign wings forever


Incidentally, Rajiv Gandhi, then a newly elected member of Parliament and Congress general secretary, saw it put through its paces at the Paris Airshow. He was very impressed. He sat in on the official meeting in the ministry of defence that decided to acquire Mirage 2000. Gandhi had just become a qualified Boeing 737 pilot and this was presumably considered expertise enough.
Nevertheless, the deal to make 110 more Mirage 2000s in Bengaluru made eminent sense—both for the IAF and the economy. But it was dropped no sooner than when the first lot of 40 fighters in a flyaway condition were delivered. Why this deal was terminated remains a mystery, but one reason was certainly the price. The MiG -29 was available to India at Rs5 crore a unit, while the Mirage 2000 cost double that.
Replacing MiG-21 and MiG-27

The Indian Air Force will soon retire several squadrons of MiG-21 and MiG-27 jets at the end of their life cycle. Replacing these aged fighters will be the latest Su-30MKI, a 4+ generation long endurance air dominance fighter, now being assembled by HAL.
The MiG-21 is a short endurance lightweight and high-speed interceptor with limited ground attack capability. The Russians describe it as a frontal aviation aircraft. The Sukhoi, being an air dominance fighter, can perform both these roles, as well as undertake deep penetration strikes. The Su-30 is a Mercedes Benz SUV compared to the MIG-21’s Maruti 800. Now let’s say the IAF wants to intercept a Pakistan Air Force or People’s Liberation Army Air Force JF-17. The IAF’s fighter of choice for this is likely to be a MiG-21bis rather than the Su-30MKI. While the Sukhoi can do the job effectively, sending a 4+generation aircraft weighing in at over 18 tonnes against a much older and cheaper JF-17 weighing less than 6.5 tonnes would not only be overkill but also very cost ineffective.
The MiG-27 is a mid-sized, variable geometry, ground attack aircraft developed to support mechanised infantry and armoured columns. Its swing-wing configuration allows it to swiftly reach the target area and then swoop in at a much-reduced speed to effectively attack enemy ground forces. But what would be just another day in the office for the MiG-27 could prove expensive with the much bigger and heavier Su-30. Since ground attacks are often by flying low and slow, a bigger aircraft is more vulnerable to ground fire. The IAF learned this in 1971 with the Su-7. Besides risking a Su-30MKI costing about Rs400 crore each against relatively low-cost ground targets doesn’t sound sensible.
A permanent solution

What the IAF needs for its interceptor and ground attack roles are smaller fighters and attack helicopters. Clearly, the IAF needs a permanent solution, not a high-cost fix like the Su-30MKI. The Rafale too, then, becomes another, yet more expensive, interim fix. Hence, the IAF needs to shed its reluctance and urgently induct the Tejas light combat aircraft and push for newer and more powerful versions.

http://qz.com/603776/stop-chasing-f...r-warriors-cant-fly-on-foreign-wings-forever/
 
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200% Agreed, bro. We highly regard our relations with you people. Thank you for all your help.

A news for you in below link......

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/islama...s-of-activities-to-celebrate-chinese-new-year

:pakistan::china:



Turkey will never cooperate with NATO against Pakistan....This is damn sure.

Turks regard brotherhood. It is nation of Honor.

No, Turkey will cooperate with NATO, her defense is based on NATO and so is her economy. Turkish people will look at survival of the nation. Dont be delusion. I know you are emotional on this issue. But if you think if whole NATO gang up against Pakistan and Turkey not joining. You are 100% wrong. Turkey do not have nuclear weapon to defend herself against powerful NATO. They will not risk their lineage getting nuke over Pakistan.

Turkey is not as brother and powerful as you think. Its human nature.
 
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No one with any real knowledge of the facts questions US superiority in the air regardless of the enemy. Countries with large air forces equipped with sophisticated Russian and European equipment have failed time again when confronted with US technology in the Middle East and elsewhere.
As to comparison of US Air Force with F16s vs Indian Air Force with Su30 MK at Red Flag exercise, watch this video of an American colonel talking about it:


In the Middle East the Soviet/Russian equipment when flown by Pakistani pilots performed differently.
The reason why pro-West people keep on bragging about all their fourth gen combat victories is because it's always against some third world country which is out-numbered and out-gunned 10:1.
Show us combat victories against same gen Russian and Chinese pilots and then we can talk, otherwise as I said before combat proven is just a PR badge that gets the cheerleaders dancing nothing more.

Stop chasing France’s Rafale: India’s air warriors can’t fly on foreign wings forever


Incidentally, Rajiv Gandhi, then a newly elected member of Parliament and Congress general secretary, saw it put through its paces at the Paris Airshow. He was very impressed. He sat in on the official meeting in the ministry of defence that decided to acquire Mirage 2000. Gandhi had just become a qualified Boeing 737 pilot and this was presumably considered expertise enough.
Nevertheless, the deal to make 110 more Mirage 2000s in Bengaluru made eminent sense—both for the IAF and the economy. But it was dropped no sooner than when the first lot of 40 fighters in a flyaway condition were delivered. Why this deal was terminated remains a mystery, but one reason was certainly the price. The MiG -29 was available to India at Rs5 crore a unit, while the Mirage 2000 cost double that.
Replacing MiG-21 and MiG-27

The Indian Air Force will soon retire several squadrons of MiG-21 and MiG-27 jets at the end of their life cycle. Replacing these aged fighters will be the latest Su-30MKI, a 4+ generation long endurance air dominance fighter, now being assembled by HAL.
The MiG-21 is a short endurance lightweight and high-speed interceptor with limited ground attack capability. The Russians describe it as a frontal aviation aircraft. The Sukhoi, being an air dominance fighter, can perform both these roles, as well as undertake deep penetration strikes. The Su-30 is a Mercedes Benz SUV compared to the MIG-21’s Maruti 800. Now let’s say the IAF wants to intercept a Pakistan Air Force or People’s Liberation Army Air Force JF-17. The IAF’s fighter of choice for this is likely to be a MiG-21bis rather than the Su-30MKI. While the Sukhoi can do the job effectively, sending a 4+generation aircraft weighing in at over 18 tonnes against a much older and cheaper JF-17 weighing less than 6.5 tonnes would not only be overkill but also very cost ineffective.
The MiG-27 is a mid-sized, variable geometry, ground attack aircraft developed to support mechanised infantry and armoured columns. Its swing-wing configuration allows it to swiftly reach the target area and then swoop in at a much-reduced speed to effectively attack enemy ground forces. But what would be just another day in the office for the MiG-27 could prove expensive with the much bigger and heavier Su-30. Since ground attacks are often by flying low and slow, a bigger aircraft is more vulnerable to ground fire. The IAF learned this in 1971 with the Su-7. Besides risking a Su-30MKI costing about Rs400 crore each against relatively low-cost ground targets doesn’t sound sensible.
A permanent solution

What the IAF needs for its interceptor and ground attack roles are smaller fighters and attack helicopters. Clearly, the IAF needs a permanent solution, not a high-cost fix like the Su-30MKI. The Rafale too, then, becomes another, yet more expensive, interim fix. Hence, the IAF needs to shed its reluctance and urgently induct the Tejas light combat aircraft and push for newer and more powerful versions.

http://qz.com/603776/stop-chasing-f...r-warriors-cant-fly-on-foreign-wings-forever/
and what's this got to do with the current thread.
 
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F-16 has been a very useful vehicle for Pakistani pilots and engineers to learn advanced US technology....the kind of technology that China currently lacks.
What the use of technology when it can be used in air shows only ... in the moment of war they will be sanctions ...
 
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A big advantage US has is the fact its stuff uses battle tested technology coming out of Silicon Valley.
Sir, it a myth and nothing more, any weapon which can hurt you is infect tested technology. Every missiles are tested and they give proper results but never tested in real world and it doesn't mean that they are not for battle. Battle test terms used to further reduce minor errors or change in design to make it more lethal nothing more. But any weapon can be lethal in a hand of experience user
 
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F-16 has been a very useful vehicle for Pakistani pilots and engineers to learn advanced US technology....the kind of technology that China currently lacks.
Correct ur knowledge China is far Infront of us technology u can't imagine
 
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in a guise of a friend Americas real enemy is Israel. its Israeli policies in the ME and their APAC members that's are forcing US ME policy. UAE is looking SU 35, Saudis are looking at China and Russia and even Egypt is buying MIGS. all this points to poor US policy and eventually they will realise that Israel is the real enemy and then hitler will look like an jewish saint
 
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