Pakistan buys 13 F16 from Jordan

[Manticore]

Pakistan acquiring F-16s from Jordan :: F-16.net

 

[Luftwaffe]

Its very cheap at 28.85 million dollar . when compare to untested JF-17 At 25 million

Every aircraft starts as an "untested platform" you have to gradually built it develop and increase its capabilities develop doctrine and so much is related to it. It's not like Revelation and behold everything is in its place. Let us not thumbs down a plane just because it is new it will take time, isn't Yak-130 untested platform for light attack duties.

 

[Luftwaffe]

@Manticore

Under a separate agreement signed in April 2005 between Turkey and the US, 213 Turkish F-16s are being upgraded at a cost of $1.1 billion at the Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) in Ankara. Turkey will be able to change the software source codes of the weapons systems on a total of 204 F-16s with national software source codes if a final agreement is reached with the US.

How many F-16s exactly are with TuAF according to my finding some 227 [minus the new Block 52 ordered 30]...out of which as stated above 204 or another news 207 are going under upgrades to Block 50...Which means 23 to 20 F-16s are not touched...are they not fit or what? or is there going to be out of blue news of TuAF F-16s sales. I'm keeping an eye on it.

 

[Manticore]

Its very cheap at 28.85 million dollar . when compare to untested JF-17 At 25 million

that untested weapons system will launch standoff weapons and would be capable of air refueling

 

[SQ8]

The older systems were indeed more secure. "New and Improved" is not always better.

What is being missed in your bugs and secure lines of code is elephant in the room.. WHERE is the DSCA notification?
The sale cannot go through unless congress approves it.. is that not correct??

 

[Bilal.]

What is being missed in your bugs and secure lines of code is elephant in the room.. WHERE is the DSCA notification?
The sale cannot go through unless congress approves it.. is that not correct??

Was there one for the recent AH-1 procurement through Jordan?

 

[monitor]

that untested weapons system will launch standoff weapons and would be capable of air refueling

that's right what i wanted to tell is You have years of experience of operating F-16 and its possible capability is known so getting it considerably increases your forces potential .

 

[VCheng]

What is being missed in your bugs and secure lines of code is elephant in the room.. WHERE is the DSCA notification?
The sale cannot go through unless congress approves it.. is that not correct??

Either Congressional approval, or a Presidential waiver.

 

[SQ8]

Either Congressional approval, or a Presidential waiver.

In either case, it has to be announced.. does it not?

Was there one for the recent AH-1 procurement through Jordan?

Thats is the thing.. When Pakistan had to give Bangladesh T-37 trainers.. it had to get congressional approval. Here we have AH-1s and F-16s going without much ado.

 

[Nishan_101]

Better for PAF to get these 16 instead of 13 Jordanian, along with 28 US and 21 from Chavez F-16s and upgrade all of them along with the 31 which we have at TAI with PAC engineers and technicians on board.

So that PAF might have till 2008/09 about:
96 F-16sA/B Block-15 MUL-3

That will help them to sustain fleet.

 

[VCheng]

In either case, it has to be announced.. does it not?


Thats is the thing.. When Pakistan had to give Bangladesh T-37 trainers.. it had to get congressional approval. Here we have AH-1s and F-16s going without much ado.

Of course. Any such sale cannot happen without due process that is well known to include announcement of the approvals necessary.

As I said above:

That would be a direct violation of US laws and therefore unlikely.

Significantly, the US has acceded to persistent Pak request for AMRAAM air-to-air missiles, sidewinder missiles and M-270 multiple launch rocket systems which fall in the category of weapons which are banned from being supplied to Pakistan by any European country or the US. In order to effect the supply of AMRAAM advanced air to air missiles, the US has worked a mechanism for handing over significant numbers of these missiles to Pakistan and Jordan even though they do not fit any counter-terrorism role. The modus operandi would be to do the paper work in a manner that they indicate sale of these weapons to Jordan (or Jordan being shown as the user country) while the missiles would be supplied to Pakistan. Likewise, the latest version of sidewinder air to air missiles (AIM9X), while not falling into the category of anti-terror weapon would be declared as meant for Jordan while it would actually be supplied to the PAF. The M270 multiple launch rocket system, around 150 of which are presently deployed in Afghanistan, would form part of the inventory of supplies to Pakistan through Jordan.


US Pakistan Arms Deal | neurope.eu

 

[Bilal.]

Thats is the thing.. When Pakistan had to give Bangladesh T-37 trainers.. it had to get congressional approval. Here we have AH-1s and F-16s going without much ado.

This whole via Jordan tranfer process seems to be designed to make very little splash

 

[VCheng]

This whole via Jordan tranfer process seems to be designed to make very little splash

Splash or not, due process must be completed and announced in USA if such a sale is to actually happen.

 

[SQ8]

This whole via Jordan tranfer process seems to be designed to make very little splash

Well, the news item referred to by @VCheng seems to be fine with the F-16s but has little on the AH-1s as they are fairly long term Jordanian assets.

 

[VCheng]

Well, the news item referred to by @VCheng seems to be fine with the F-16s but has little on the AH-1s as they are fairly long term Jordanian assets.

Unless it is approved and announced in USA, none of it is happening. Trying to circumvent laws as described in that report is simply not possible.