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Pakistan boasted of nuclear strike on India within eight seconds

'Pakistan boasted' ........... I don't think that was a boast. To boast is to suggest 'excess, exaggerate or glorify' I think that threat was statement of fact and deadly serious. It helped to remove any ambiguity on part of India.

It's intention was to make clear that if push came to shove Pakistan would use nuclear weapons to offset the massive Indian conventional superiority.
 
You don't need enemies, if you have such retarded generals.

'Pakistan boasted' ........... I don't think that was a boast. To boast is to suggest 'excess, exaggerate or glorify' I think that threat was statement of fact and deadly serious. It helped to remove any ambiguity on part of India.

It's intention was to make clear that if push came to shove Pakistan would use nuclear weapons to offset the massive Indian conventional superiority.

Pakistan would not dare using nukes. If it ever thought doing it, the consequences would be such serve that ....
 
Magazine - A Modest Proposal From the Brigadier - The Atlantic

WHAT ONE PROMINENT PAKISTANI THINKS HIS COUNTRY SHOULD DO WITH ITS ATOMIC WEAPONS

By Peter Landesman
In the center of the biggest traffic circle of every major city in Pakistan sits a craggy, Gibraltarish replica of a nameless peak in the Chagai range. This mountain is the home of Pakistan's nuclear test site. The development, in 1998, of the "Islamic Bomb," intended as a counter to India's nuclear capability, is Pakistan's only celebrated achievement since its formation, in 1947. The mountain replicas, about three stories tall, are surrounded by flower beds that are lovingly weeded, watered, and manicured. At dusk, when the streetlights come on, so do the mountains, glowing a weird molten yellow.

Islamabad's monument to the atomic bomb occupies a rotary between the airport and the city center. Nearby stand models of Pakistan's two classes of missile: Shaheen and Ghauri. The Islamabad nuclear shrine stands at a place where the city is dissolving into an incoherent edge town of shabby strip malls and empty boulevards and rows of desolate government buildings. A little farther in one comes to the gridded blocks of gated homes. The neighborhoods are called sectors. The streets are numbered, not named.

Late last year, after nearly two months in Pakistan, I paid the last of many visits to house No. 8 on street 19, sector F-8/2, a modern white mansion known as Zardari House. The house has been used by Asif Ali Zardari, the imprisoned husband of Benazir Bhutto, Pakistan's exiled former Prime Minister. Neither Zardari nor Bhutto has been there for a long time. Zardari has been confined for five years, most recently in Attock Fort, a medieval fortress perched over the Indus River between Islamabad and Peshawar. He is charged with a slew of crimes: large-scale corruption; conspiracy in the murder of Bhutto's brother Mir Murtaza; conspiracy to smuggle narcotics. Bhutto, who also faces corruption charges in Pakistan, lives in Dubai with their three children. Pakistan's leader, General Pervez Musharraf, has promised to have her arrested and tried if she ever returns to Pakistan. Outside the gate to the empty Zardari House sits a man with his back to the wall, a sawed-off shotgun across his knees.

I had been going there to consult with Brigadier Amanullah, known to his friends as Aman. Aman, in his early fifties and now retired, is lithe and gentle-natured and seemed to me slightly depressed. He works in a small office behind Zardari House, where, as the secretary to Benazir Bhutto in Islamabad, he coordinates Bhutto's efforts to return to Pakistan and regain its prime ministership. He also keeps in close touch with old colleagues, who include many powerful people in Pakistan. Aman was once the chief of Pakistan's military intelligence in Sind Province, which borders India. Pakistan's biggest city and a cultural center, Karachi, is in Sind. That put Aman squarely in the middle of things, his finger near many sorts of buttons. Today Aman is believed to act as Bhutto's liaison with the armed forces, and he maintains contacts with serving army officers, including senior generals. When I wanted to speak to someone in the Pakistani government, I asked Aman. When I wanted to speak to someone in the Taliban, or in military intelligence, or in the political opposition, I asked Aman. His replies were mumbled and monosyllabic. He never offered opinions. He would simply hear me out and, most times, tip his head and say, "Why not?" Within an hour after Aman and I parted, I would receive a phone call from his secretary. References would be made to "that man" or "that matter," and I would be given a phone number and a time to call. Having spoken with Aman, I was always expected.

On the day of my final visit Aman seemed more sullen than usual. He ushered me into a room adjoining the office. The room was long and spare. There was an oil painting on the far wall. The other walls were empty and lined with cushioned chairs. Aman sat across from me. We had tea and spoke about the latest events.

As we were wrapping up our conversation, I looked at the oil painting. It was a strange picture, a horizontal landscape about four feet across, with overtones of socialist realism. In the foreground a youthful Benazir Bhutto stood in heroic pose on an escarpment overlooking the featureless grid of Islamabad. Beside her stood her father, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, a Prime Minister who in 1977 was ousted in a coup and two years later hanged. On the other side of Bhutto was Mohammed Ali Jinnah, the long-dead founding father of Pakistan. Their postures were exalted, their expressions a combination of pride and awe. Jinnah's arm pointed to the vast plain beyond the city, where a rocket was lifting out of billowing clouds of vapor and fire into the sky.

Aman noticed me looking at the painting and followed my gaze. I asked him if Benazir Bhutto had commissioned it, and Aman said no. He told me that one day when she was still Prime Minister, an unknown man, an ordinary Pakistani citizen, had come to the gate of Zardari House with the picture and told Aman that he'd painted it for the Prime Minister and wanted to present it to her as a gift. Aman said that he was immediately transfixed by the painting. He called to Bhutto inside the house, but she refused to come down to see the man. Aman was persistent, and eventually she came down.

"I insisted Benazir accept it as a gift," Aman told me.

We both looked up at the painting in silence. "A rocket ship heading to the moon?" I asked.

Aman tipped his head to the side. A smirk tugged at the corners of his mouth. "No," he said. "A nuclear warhead heading to India."

I thought he was making a joke. Then I saw he wasn't. I thought of the shrines to Pakistan's nuclear-weapons site, prominently displayed in every city. I told Aman that I was disturbed by the ease with which Pakistanis talk of nuclear war with India.

Aman shook his head. "No," he said matter-of-factly. "This should happen. We should use the bomb."

"For what purpose?" He didn't seem to understand my question. "In retaliation?" I asked.

"Why not?"

"Or first strike?"

"Why not?"

I looked for a sign of irony. None was visible. Rocking his head side to side, his expression becoming more and more withdrawn, Aman launched into a monologue that neither of us, I am sure, knew was coming:

"We should fire at them and take out a few of their cities—Delhi, Bombay, Calcutta," he said. "They should fire back and take Karachi and Lahore. Kill off a hundred or two hundred million people. They should fire at us and it would all be over. They have acted so badly toward us; they have been so mean. We should teach them a lesson. It would teach all of us a lesson. There is no future here, and we need to start over. So many people think this. Have you been to the villages of Pakistan, the interior? There is nothing but dire poverty and pain. The children have no education; there is nothing to look forward to. Go into the villages, see the poverty. There is no drinking water. Small children without shoes walk miles for a drink of water. I go to the villages and I want to cry. My children have no future. None of the children of Pakistan have a future. We are surrounded by nothing but war and suffering. Millions should die away."

"Pakistan should fire pre-emptively?" I asked.

Aman nodded.

"And you are willing to see your children die?"

"Tens of thousands of people are dying in Kashmir, and the only superpower says nothing," Aman said. "America has sided with India because it has interests there." He told me he was willing to see his children be killed. He repeated that they didn't have any future—his children or any other children.

I asked him if he thought he was alone in his thoughts, and Aman made it clear to me that he was not.

"Believe me," he went on, "If I were in charge, I would have already done it."

Aman stopped, as though he'd stunned even himself. Then he added, with quiet forcefulness, "Before I die, I hope I should see it."


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Magazine - A Modest Proposal From the Brigadier - The Atlantic

Later that evening, ...

Aman: That gora clown showed up again today.
Friend: Same old, same old?
Aman: Yeah. I usually act real bored, not responding to his drivel, but the moron just doesn't get the hint. He keeps hanging around like some lonelyheart desperate for company.
Friend: Sounds like fun.
Aman: Actually, I had some fun with him today. I acted real depressed, told him I wanted to nuke everything.
Friend: He bought it?
Aman: Hook, line and sinker. It fits in with his racist mentality that brown people are inferior and can't be trusted with responsibility. That we are emotional basket cases, liable to go off at any minute.
Friend: What was his reaction?
Aman: F*ck if I care. He will probably write it up in one of his babblings for his pseudo-intellectual suburban audience back home.
Friend: Man, you're a real stinker.
Amand: Yeah, well, it's good to have fun with these guys once in a while...

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It is an authentic news, congratulations to Pakistan for another achievement. Mean while Indians can continue to carry out their failed missile test & other failed technology test & call them a successful test in media & ask the media to exaggerate the news.
 
It is an authentic news, congratulations to Pakistan for another achievement. Mean while Indians can continue to carry out their failed missile test & other failed technology test & call them a successful test in media & ask the media to exaggerate the news.

Is that your ISI secret news.........
 
You don't need enemies, if you have such retarded generals.



Pakistan would not dare using nukes. If it ever thought doing it, the consequences would be such serve that ....

It would. The entire nuclear deterance is based on the use of nuclear weapons. Since Pakistan is some 7 times smaller than India it would lose in a conventional war. Therefore it has reserved the 'first strike' principle.

Nuclear deterance is premised on MAD - Mutually Assured Destruction. MAD was the declared doctine by USA and USSR in the Cold War. MAD only works if you:-

(i) You have sufficient nuclear capacity.
(ii) You have the delivery systems in place.
(iii ) You have a clear nuclear doctine in place - in Pakistan's case the will to employ 'First Strike'
(iv) You have the neccessary chain of command and control to execute a first strike in the event it is needed. [ SPD in Pakistan ]

And of course it is vital that your enemy absoultely understands this and is fully aware. I believe that what the good General was relaying to India. Musharaf also made this explicitly clear on more than one occasion.There should no margin for error in this deadly business. This is not a place for 'boasting'.

So we have MAD in force in South Asia.
 
Ok, I ain't leavin'!! :no: I actually love MOST Pakistanis! But some from the Jamaat suck! And most of these guys would love to destroy India even if Kashmir is handed over to you on a platter! :P

By the way, I have some of my best friends as Pakistanis especially in Europe and we all have a ball whenever we get together. AND NO ONE TALKS OF DESTROYING INDIA!! But some guys here on PDF need to remove their anti India virus from their hard discs in their brains! I mean they urgently require a complete reformatting!! :whistle: :lol:
Hey! we not gonna strike U there where U living.....we gonna strike where the evil heads livin........:smokin:
 
Read this and know the courageousness of pakistan.

Some Interesting parts"Tough talking by the then External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee, following the 26/11 attacks, rattled Pakistan so much that it pressed the panic button and called everyone from Chinese to the Americans saying that India has decided to go to war."
""I called back again. No response. By now the international phone lines were buzzing with the news. The Pakistanis were calling everyone--the Saudis, the Emiratis, the Chinese. Finally Mukherjee called back. I told him what I'd heard," Rice wrote."
And many more........

http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...-words-rattled-pakistan-condoleezza-rice.html
 
8 seconds is a doable response time during times of military preparedness and engaged in conflict. People don't always praise Pakistan's superiority in missiles just like that.

Take this as an estimate - The British believed the general.
 
It would. The entire nuclear deterance is based on the use of nuclear weapons. Since Pakistan is some 7 times smaller than India it would lose in a conventional war. Therefore it has reserved the 'first strike' principle.

Nuclear deterance is premised on MAD - Mutually Assured Destruction. MAD was the declared doctine by USA and USSR in the Cold War. MAD only works if you:-

(i) You have sufficient nuclear capacity.
(ii) You have the delivery systems in place.
(iii ) You have a clear nuclear doctine in place - in Pakistan's case the will to employ 'First Strike'
(iv) You have the neccessary chain of command and control to execute a first strike in the event it is needed. [ SPD in Pakistan ]

And of course it is vital that your enemy absoultely understands this and is fully aware. I believe that what the good General was relaying to India. Musharaf also made this explicitly clear on more than one occasion.There should no margin for error in this deadly business. This is not a place for 'boasting'.

So we have MAD in force in South Asia.

Chill man. India is not going to attack Pakistan. We have lot more on our hand than think of Pakistan. You sovereignty is being violated almost everyday by US, and by you internal Jihadi elements. I say US and these Jihadi elements are more of a threat to Pakistan's sovereignty than is India ever. Think over those issues than about India.
 
'Pakistan boasted' ........... I don't think that was a boast. To boast is to suggest 'excess, exaggerate or glorify' I think that threat was statement of fact and deadly serious. It helped to remove any ambiguity on part of India.

It's intention was to make clear that if push came to shove Pakistan would use nuclear weapons to offset the massive Indian conventional superiority.

India has "no first use policy", but will retaliate with all its might. So beware.
 
8 seconds is a doable response time during times of military preparedness and engaged in conflict. People don't always praise Pakistan's superiority in missiles just like that.

Take this as an estimate - The British believed the general.

There is nothing boastful in the General's comments. If Kargil could not evoke nuke response from Pakistan, then I doubt Pakistan is ever going to use them. Nukes are just show pieces.
 
Bullcrap...after the order has been given, only the authorization takes minutes, provided the missile is ready at the pad of the TEL with the nuclear warhead already mated to it. After the launch, it will take them from 1-15 minutes for various missiles in our arsenal.

Conclusion- Pakistan Army never fails in Scare Tactics. :partay:
 
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