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Pakistan blocks NATO supplies

Though, Mr Basit twice said at the briefing that he was unaware about any proposal to reopen the blocked route, diplomatic sources have separately indicated that PCNS had paved the way for the government to reopen the Nato supply route after getting assurances from the US that there will be no repeat of the 26/11 attacks on Pakistani border posts by coalition forces in Afghanistan.

yeah and now its again Zordari the chief in-charge after PCNS gave go ahead for removing the blockade.
Tariffs will be high for Americans, but I guess that's the best way for Pakistan to use its strategic location to earn dollars and do business with the Americans.
 
I do not know why there is so much fuss about opening of routes.

1) **** things happen, but people have to move on and so does Pakistan.
2) Pakistan has done what they wanted, by closing it for so long they sent the message. Closing it for any long duration is not going to change the message at all.
3) Thinking about economics is not a bad thing, everyone does it.

The problem is that some people take it to ego.
1) Opening means I lost.
2) Meri bahddi ho gayee main chota ho gaya.
3) I do not want to be seen as needy, come on. Who does not need money. Jis din paisa khatam hota hai sabki aakad nikal jati hai.
 
I do not know why there is so much fuss about opening of routes.

1) **** things happen, but people have to move on and so does Pakistan.
2) Pakistan has done what they wanted, by closing it for so long they sent the message. Closing it for any long duration is not going to change the message at all.
3) Thinking about economics is not a bad thing, everyone does it.

The problem is that some people take it to ego.
1) Opening means I lost.
2) Meri bahddi ho gayee main chota ho gaya.
3) I do not want to be seen as needy, come on. Who does not need money. Jis din paisa khatam hota hai sabki aakad nikal jati hai.
Unfortunately, you have to put yourself in the shoes of the Pakistanis. NATO has only expressed regret, and never publicly apologized, forget about hearing it from Obama. The internal crisis followed by the civil-military tussle followed by the indiscriminate bombing of their paramil. has numbed the Salala incident. But there is no guarantee that there will not be another shooting war. And there is no discounting of the fact that such an internal crisis will not precipitate again, which will again lead to a sense of Deja vu being seen now.

This makes the Generals and the Civilian leadership look like paid mercenaries who kill their own soldiers and receive money to get it done. Which will further fuel hatred and extremism inside Pakistan. So yes, the decision is indeed a very tough choice to make and the Government will have to walk a tightrope for the remainder of its tenure if it ever opens up the supply lines.
 
Though, Mr Basit twice said at the briefing that he was unaware about any proposal to reopen the blocked route, diplomatic sources have separately indicated that PCNS had paved the way for the government to reopen the Nato supply route after getting assurances from the US that there will be no repeat of the 26/11 attacks on Pakistani border posts by coalition forces in Afghanistan.

A$$urance$ (sir, sorry to correct you :D )

diplomatic sources have separately indicated that PCNS had paved the way for the government to reopen the Nato supply route after getting assurances from the US that there will be no repeat of the 26/11 attacks on Pakistani border posts by coalition forces in Afghanistan.

And the cycle continues, again.

And what happened to the $trong demand for an appology. Or perhaps the appology has been sent to the $wift codes.
 
Unfortunately, you have to put yourself in the shoes of the Pakistanis. NATO has only expressed regret, and never publicly apologized, forget about hearing it from Obama. The internal crisis followed by the civil-military tussle followed by the indiscriminate bombing of their paramil. has numbed the Salala incident. But there is no guarantee that there will not be another shooting war. And there is no discounting of the fact that such an internal crisis will not precipitate again, which will again lead to a sense of Deja vu being seen now.

This makes the Generals and the Civilian leadership look like paid mercenaries who kill their own soldiers and receive money to get it done. Which will further fuel hatred and extremism inside Pakistan. So yes, the decision is indeed a very tough choice to make and the Government will have to walk a tightrope for the remainder of its tenure if it ever opens up the supply lines.

I got the point, I think apology is due. I missed that it did not happen.
 
Unfortunately, you have to put yourself in the shoes of the Pakistanis. NATO has only expressed regret, and never publicly apologized, forget about hearing it from Obama. The internal crisis followed by the civil-military tussle followed by the indiscriminate bombing of their paramil. has numbed the Salala incident. But there is no guarantee that there will not be another shooting war. And there is no discounting of the fact that such an internal crisis will not precipitate again, which will again lead to a sense of Deja vu being seen now.

This makes the Generals and the Civilian leadership look like paid mercenaries who kill their own soldiers and receive money to get it done. Which will further fuel hatred and extremism inside Pakistan. So yes, the decision is indeed a very tough choice to make and the Government will have to walk a tightrope for the remainder of its tenure if it ever opens up the supply lines.

I do not think, there will be any guarantee but yes Dollar warranty might stay.
 
A$$urance$ (sir, sorry to correct you :D )
Correct away sir, but that was an excerpt from the article itself, and not my own words. :)

And the cycle continues, again.

And what happened to the $trong demand for an appology. Or perhaps the appology has been sent to the $wift codes.
Until Parliament passes the recommendations made by the PCNS, and they are made public, we will not know what Pakistan is calling for with respect to 'reforming the relationship'.

35 recommendations finalised by PCNS
By: Abrar Saeed | January 12, 2012 |

ISLAMABAD - Parliamentary Committee on National Security (PCNS) on Wednesday unanimously finalised the recommendations for redefining the foreign policy with specific reference to the country’s relations with US and NATO.

Sources aware of the deliberations of the meeting informed The Nation that a set of some 35 recommendations were made by the committee with voice vote, and it was also recommended that NATO should be asked to tender unconditional apology for unprovoked attack on Pakistan Army check-posts in Mohmand Agency in which some 24 Army personnel were killed. After the meeting, Chairman of the Committee Senator Mian Raza Rabbani said that they would sent these recommendations to Speaker National Assembly and it would be up to government when they would call the Joint Session of the Parliament to debate and use it as a guideline for the country’s foreign policy.

To a question Senator, Mian Raza Rabbani refused to share these recommendations with media and said that now it would be the property of the Parliament and would only be made public after deliberation on it in the Joint Session of the Parliament. Sources in the committee informed that the unanimously adopted recommendations also included that all the verbal agreements with US and NATO be put in black and white while the terms of reference for Nato supplies via Pakistan also needed to be revisited in terms of tariff and the monitoring of the containers being used to carry Nato supplies. Sources further said the committee had recommended that govt should take strict notice of unabated drone attacks in Tribal Areas and the matter should be linked to the future engagements with US and NATO in the ongoing war on terror and allies in war on terror should be realised that these attacks were proving counter-productive.

35 recommendations finalised by PCNS | The Nation
 
Until Parliament passes the recommendations made by the PCNS, and they are made public, we will not know what Pakistan is calling for with respect to 'reforming the relationship'.

To a question Senator, Mian Raza Rabbani refused to share these recommendations with media and said that now it would be the property of the Parliament and would only be made public after deliberation on it in the Joint Session of the Parliament.

The public comes to know or not, but Uncle Sam sure has known (like the in house session). It might be very much possible that at least the parliament sessions when issues related to US are discussed are streamed live (audio + video) to the US embassy in Islambad if not to the office of the Secretary of State in Washington.
 
Correct away sir, but that was an excerpt from the article itself, and not my own words. :)


Until Parliament passes the recommendations made by the PCNS, and they are made public, we will not know what Pakistan is calling for with respect to 'reforming the relationship'.

35 recommendations finalised by PCNS
By: Abrar Saeed | January 12, 2012 |

ISLAMABAD - Parliamentary Committee on National Security (PCNS) on Wednesday unanimously finalised the recommendations for redefining the foreign policy with specific reference to the country’s relations with US and NATO.

Sources aware of the deliberations of the meeting informed The Nation that a set of some 35 recommendations were made by the committee with voice vote, and it was also recommended that NATO should be asked to tender unconditional apology for unprovoked attack on Pakistan Army check-posts in Mohmand Agency in which some 24 Army personnel were killed. After the meeting, Chairman of the Committee Senator Mian Raza Rabbani said that they would sent these recommendations to Speaker National Assembly and it would be up to government when they would call the Joint Session of the Parliament to debate and use it as a guideline for the country’s foreign policy.

To a question Senator, Mian Raza Rabbani refused to share these recommendations with media and said that now it would be the property of the Parliament and would only be made public after deliberation on it in the Joint Session of the Parliament. Sources in the committee informed that the unanimously adopted recommendations also included that all the verbal agreements with US and NATO be put in black and white while the terms of reference for Nato supplies via Pakistan also needed to be revisited in terms of tariff and the monitoring of the containers being used to carry Nato supplies. Sources further said the committee had recommended that govt should take strict notice of unabated drone attacks in Tribal Areas and the matter should be linked to the future engagements with US and NATO in the ongoing war on terror and allies in war on terror should be realised that these attacks were proving counter-productive.

35 recommendations finalised by PCNS | The Nation

The way they are bringing the relations back on track and the statements they are providing plus the recent behavior of Pakistani Government is indeed a big hint of continuing the NATO supply. ( other's may disagree)
 
The way they are bringing the relations back on track and the statements they are providing plus the recent behavior of Pakistani Government is indeed a big hint of continuing the NATO supply. ( other's may disagree)
The question has always been of WHAT Pakistan would demand from the US in return for the resumption of NATO supplies. While many commentators did call for a permanent halt to NATO transit through Pakistan, the GoP and Military never went that far.

So the question now, as then, remains what the conditions for resumption of NATO transit will be, if any.

I don't really see why this has to be turned into something to malign Pakistan with ..
 
The public comes to know or not, but Uncle Sam sure has known (like the in house session). It might be very much possible that at least the parliament sessions when issues related to US are discussed are streamed live (audio + video) to the US embassy in Islambad if not to the office of the Secretary of State in Washington.
As I have said in the past, let parliament debate these recommendations and let the media cover the deliberations, allow the average Pakistani to see these recommendations and debate them on the street and in the media, and then let the politicians vote on it in parliament.

Pakistanis can then determine whether their elected parliament acted in the manner they wanted them to act in, and if the Sharif brathran, MQM, Chaudhries etc. vote for these recommendations, then they cannot later claim that they 'were opposed to the PPP government normalizing relations with the US'.

The important part, IMO, is that these recommendations should be deliberated on in parliament and in public before the legislature votes on them.
 
NATO supplies shold not be opened at any cost..yeah they can be given the way to get out of Afghanistan only so that we can live with peace here.......:smokin:

Until the Pakistani govt. follows the Sharia Law it will never have peace in the Talibans' eyes.
 
APNewsBreak: Pakistan’s closure of supply routes costs US 6 times more for new route



By Associated Press, Updated: Thursday, January 19, 5:06 PM




WASHINGTON — The U.S. is paying six times as much to send war supplies to troops in Afghanistan through alternate routes after Pakistan’s punitive decision in November to close border crossings to NATO convoys, the Associated Press has learned.

Islamabad shut down two key Pakistan border crossings after a U.S. airstrike killed two dozen Pakistani soldiers in late November, and it is unclear when the crossings might reopen.

Pentagon figures provided to the AP show it is now costing about $104 million per month to send the supplies through a longer northern route. That is $87 million more per month than when the cargo moved through Pakistan.

While U.S. officials have acknowledged that using alternate transportation routes for Afghan war supplies is more expensive and takes longer, the total costs had not been revealed until now. The Pentagon provided the cost figures to the AP on Thursday.

U.S. officials said Thursday the elevated costs are likely to continue for some time, as U.S.-Pakistan tensions remain high and Pakistan has not yet offered to restore the transport arrangement or to begin negotiations on the matter. Until the closure, the U.S. had relied on Pakistani routes to move about one-third of all war supplies for Afghanistan.

The U.S. has given Pakistan more than $20 billion in aid since 9/11, including civilian and military assistance. But over the past year, relations with Islamabad have been strained by a series of incidents, including the U.S. assault in Pakistan last May that killed Osama bin Laden.

Pakistani leaders have also complained about repeated U.S. drone strikes into their country. The strikes, largely by the CIA, target militants hiding along Pakistan’s border who launch attacks against NATO troops in Afghanistan.

The final straw, however, was the Nov. 26 cross-border attack, which hit two Pakistani border posts, enraging the Pakistani government and further eroding already shaky relations.

The U.S. blamed the errant airstrikes on a series of communications and coordination errors on both sides. American officials expressed regret but have not apologized for the incident, insisting that Pakistan fired first. Pakistan denies that and has called it an unprovoked attack.

In addition to closing the border crossings, Pakistan ordered the U.S. to vacate Shamsi air base, which the U.S. was using to launch drone strikes at al-Qaida and Taliban militants.

Over the past year or so, the U.S. military has been shrinking its reliance on the Pakistani routes, which are used to transport fuel and other non-lethal supplies. U.S. officials say they could manage indefinitely without that access if Pakistan either makes the closure permanent or offers to reopen it under unacceptable conditions.

Officials said that moves by Pakistan to briefly close the supply routes on two previous occasions after disputes with the U.S. prompted the Pentagon to begin shifting more to the northern crossings. Officials also believe that even if Pakistan eventually opens the supply routes, that there will be additional fees charged, so the alternate routes would help avoid those extra costs.

On the other hand, sending NATO convoys through Pakistan is seen by Washington as a significant piece of the overall U.S.-Pakistani partnership. Failure to reinstate those routes would signal a more severe diplomatic breach between the two countries at a critical time in the Afghan war and the ongoing battle against insurgents who seek sanctuary on the Pakistan side of the border.

According to U.S. officials, 85 percent of fuel supplies for the war effort in Afghanistan are now going through the northern supply routes, along with 30 percent of the supplies that had routinely come through Pakistan.

The northern routes connect Baltic and Caspian Sea ports with Afghanistan through Russia and Central Asia and the Caucuses. And they combine sea, rail and truck transport.

There may be, however, some movement by Pakistan to allow certain civilian Afghan supplies through the closed routes.

Dependent on Pakistan for its imports, landlocked Afghanistan has asked authorities in Pakistan to release hundreds of vehicles stacked with goods and fuel that are being held up along with NATO supplies.

Pakistani officials say they are sorting through the thousands of stranded vehicles to push through supplies for Afghans. So far, the Pakistanis have given no indication of when they will open the border for NATO supplies to Afghanistan.

There has been limited contact between top U.S. and Pakistani officials.

Last week, Army Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, talked by phone with his Pakistani counterpart, Army Gen. Ashfaq Pervez Kayani, their first contact since Dec. 21. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta has not spoken to Pakistani leaders since the incident.

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Associated Press Writers Bradley Klapper in Washington and Kathy Gannon in Islamabad contributed to this report.


APNewsBreak: Pakistan’s closure of supply routes costs US 6 times more for new route - The Washington Post
 
US says has not heard from Pak on new tarrif for NATO

Jan 19 (PTI) The US today said that it has not heard or received any information from Pakistan on imposing tariff on the NATO supply route for Afghanistan, moving through its territory. "We have not, as of this moment, had any official communication from the government of Pakistan on this subject," State Department spokesperson, Victoria Nuland, told reporters at her daily news conference. She was responding to questions in news reports appearing in the Pakistan media that Pakistan has agreed to open the crucial NATO supply route but are applying tariff on the movement of goods. "We've seen the same media reports that you have seen," she said. "It is, as you know, part of their ongoing parliamentary review. So from where we're standing at the moment, we don't have anything new," Nuland said and refused to comment on the tariff proposal. "I'm certainly not going to get into speculating about what they might do and how we might react. I think we're going to wait and speak to them when they are finished with their review and they're ready to talk to us and make proposals," Nuland said.

US says has not heard from Pak on new tarrif for NATO, IBN Live News

State Department Briefing by Victoria Nuland, January 19, 2012
 
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