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Pakistan Banao certificates

Let see, without any supporting documents we can't say that with surety neither did I in my post. I am referencing these certificates as the SSC and the DSC where you do have to pay the WHT on the profit. These certificates are being issued by Pakistan through a portal and not being sold in any other jurisdiction, otherwise the certificates would be subject to due diligence and other reporting requirements especially since it is marketed to individuals not QIBs (I had answered this previously as well), thus I assume that Pakistan laws has jurisdiction.

Anyone investing in these certificates from overseas have to declare interest income earned in their tax returns in country they are living, and have to pay applicable taxes as per law of respective country. As Pakistan don't follow double taxation regime, So there's no logic of Withholding/Advance Tax.
 
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Thus if the return is higher than the benchmark, it should technically be compensating for something. If there was a clarity as to how the government is going to pay back the principal and the profit rate, we can address the sovereign risk. Otherwise, these are highly liquid securities, albeit non-tradable, with a disproportionately high profit rate.

Thank you for such a good explanation. The excerpt above is what I find the most important. The fact that "these are highly liquid securities, albeit non-tradable, with a disproportionately high profit rate" means something is still missing from my understanding.
 
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Thank you for such a good explanation. The excerpt above is what I find the most important. The fact that "these are highly liquid securities, albeit non-tradable, with a disproportionately high profit rate" means something is still missing from my understanding.
I don't know what you are looking for, but as always, you are best left to your own musings.
 
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I don't know what you are looking for, but as always, you are best left to your own musings.

I am looking for anything to help determine the risk rating for these certificates given the high offered interest rate.
 
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Foreign Currency accounts in Pakistan have a bad history. Some may not have long memories and some of the members may be too young to remember but the people who suffered do.

Let me remind you about what happened to the foreign currency deposits in 1998.

In the aftermath of the Atomic Tests by Pakistan on May 31, 1998, at Chaghai, (in response to the Indian 2nd atomic Test) the US imposed sanctions on Pakistan and the IMF suspended disbursements to Pakistan. Fourteen other countries including Japan followed the US and suspended aid to Pakistan. The direct effect of this was that Pak Rupee declined from 46 to a US dollar to 63 by mid-July 1998.

This prompted the then PML-N gov’t to freeze Foreign Currency accounts. Later these were reopened but one could only withdraw in Pak Rupees at the rate prior to devaluation. In otherworld’s, the foreign currency account holders lost nearly 30% value through no fault of theirs.

The income earned by the overseas Pakistanis (except for a very select few) is literally from the sweat of their brow. Should the economic conditions fail to improve considerably, what guarantee is there that something similar will not be repeated?

The proposed scheme is no doubt very good because the interest rate offered is at least 50% better than what you get in the UK/US. However, even though for the sake of Pakistan I hope it succeeds, I do not think that overseas Pakistanis have sufficient trust in the stability of Pakistan’s currency to pour in billions of dollars.
 
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The proposed scheme is no doubt very good because the interest rate offered is at least 50% better than what you get in the UK/US. However, even though for the sake of Pakistan I hope it succeeds, I do not think that overseas Pakistanis have sufficient trust in the stability of Pakistan’s currency to pour in billions of dollars.

The government is expecting $500 million from this scheme. The number actually sold will be the best indicator of the expats' confidence in the government this time around.
 
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Foreign Currency accounts in Pakistan have a bad history. Some may not have long memories and some of the members may be too young to remember but the people who suffered do.

Let me remind you about what happened to the foreign currency deposits in 1998.

In the aftermath of the Atomic Tests by Pakistan on May 31, 1998, at Chaghai, (in response to the Indian 2nd atomic Test) the US imposed sanctions on Pakistan and the IMF suspended disbursements to Pakistan. Fourteen other countries including Japan followed the US and suspended aid to Pakistan. The direct effect of this was that Pak Rupee declined from 46 to a US dollar to 63 by mid-July 1998.

This prompted the then PML-N gov’t to freeze Foreign Currency accounts. Later these were reopened but one could only withdraw in Pak Rupees at the rate prior to devaluation. In otherworld’s, the foreign currency account holders lost nearly 30% value through no fault of theirs.

The income earned by the overseas Pakistanis (except for a very select few) is literally from the sweat of their brow. Should the economic conditions fail to improve considerably, what guarantee is there that something similar will not be repeated?

The proposed scheme is no doubt very good because the interest rate offered is at least 50% better than what you get in the UK/US. However, even though for the sake of Pakistan I hope it succeeds, I do not think that overseas Pakistanis have sufficient trust in the stability of Pakistan’s currency to pour in billions of dollars.
in other words PML N bankrupted pakistan in 1998
yet people believe he wouldnt do it again..well he almost did..in 2018

this is what i have been saying since 2017 pakistan was moving towards bankrupcy very fast simply because nawaz killed the export industry for purpose of revenues, retired local debt, overvalued the rupee and got foreign debt creating a unsustainable current account deficit simply to finance his infrastutral short term projects
 
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I have some cash sitting in a Savings account earning around 2% interest in an American bank--but that's very fluctuating percentage--it was below 1 percentage for years until now. Yeah, I am not very money savvy! :)

Hypothetically, if I were to invest in the Pakistan Banao Certificate:
$10,000
$20,000
$30,000

How much return? Can this money be, after a year, used to help some family member in Pakistan? What are the tax consequences in America for that--I think I will have to file that as income here.

Thanks,
 
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Depending on when it's launched i'd be tempted to go for 3 year version. No guarantee who the next govt will be and if you'll ever see your money again.

Currently $5000 is about £3800.

Can anyone calculate how much you should expect to see back from that?

Government Of Pakistan has never defaulted on her debt, So no matter who the next government is going to be you will get 100% of your investments plus profit back..
 
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Government Of Pakistan has never defaulted on her debt, So no matter who the next government is going to be you will get 100% of your investments plus profit back..
Hmmm..can you tell us what happened in 1998..
Mr sharif did defaulted Pakistan

That default led to lowest growth oeriod in Pakistan history from 1998-2001 projects lile ghazi brotha were stopped, higjways left in the dust in middle and exist of all companies

Than musharraf came renegotiated all the loans , wrote off Much with help of USA. Stabilized the country and reignited foreign investments

We saw more foreign investment in his era tha the two great democracy

All Paris clubs loans were renegotiated and USA wrote off all of its portion of loans in excess of 2b$
 
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The government is expecting $500 million from this scheme. The number actually sold will be the best indicator of the expats' confidence in the government this time around.

Interesting. Is there any estimate as to the total wealth of Pakistanis (citizens and origin) abroad?
 
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