Pakistan Army's VT-4 Main Battle Tank | Updates & Discussions

[Tipu7]

The camouflage on Tank in second picture could be of Pakistani VT 4.

@Tipu7

I don't think the cameo is the right answer because the paint scheme can be changed, and if VT4 are meant for North Punjab then it means they will have a new unique cameo of their own. So the credible proofs are the presence of VT4 within Pakistan's territory or the statement from officials.

 

[Dazzler]

According to Norinco, the VT-4s are handed over to the customer on schedule.
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Via @北方工业 from Weixin

Fy4 at hull front, fy2 over hull roof, that's a let down.

 

[Dreamer.]

Fy4 at hull front, fy2 over hull roof, that's a let down.

Would it have a significant impact on total weight of tank if all FY-2 is replaced by FY-4?

 

[ali_raza]

Fy4 at hull front, fy2 over hull roof, that's a let down.

bro whts the difference in 120vs125 mm rounds
and so we have anything comparable to russian vacuum2 apfsds

 

[Dazzler]

bro whts the difference in 120vs125 mm rounds
and so we have anything comparable to russian vacuum2 apfsds

120mm rounds are unitary, single piece with round and propellant combined. These are usually longer but not always.
125mm are two piece rounds, propellant is loaded separately due to autoloader. AL can be a limiting factor. Thats is why they are usually smaller but not always. LD ratio can be different.

Would it have a significant impact on total weight of tank if all FY-2 is replaced by FY-4?

FY4 is nearly twice as heavy but offers better protection. Weight would increase but so would protection.

 

[ali_raza]

120mm rounds are unitary, single piece with round and propellant combined. These are usually longer but not always.
125mm are two piece rounds, propellant is loaded separately due to autoloader. AL can be a limiting factor. Thats is why they are usually smaller but not always. LD ratio can be different.

but wht is usefulness of both i mean which is better and more powerful
and wht is most powerful apfsds in ur thoughts

 

[Dazzler]

but wht is usefulness of both i mean which is better and more powerful
and wht is most powerful apfsds in ur thoughts

There's no rule of thumb here. Too many factors to be considered from gun chamber to muzzle velocity to quality of metallurgy. LD ratio also counts. Modern 125mm rounds are indeed longer and better

 

[LKJ86]

Would it have a significant impact on total weight of tank if all FY-2 is replaced by FY-4?

Each ERA in the pic is about 80 kg.

 

[JohnWick]

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Each ERA in the pic is about 80 kg.

Why to use tanks when USA can do it effectively with Biological weapons?

 

[Basel]

VT-4 only means we had problems with Oplot delivery timeframe and AK2 is still in trials.
Moreover we also need numbers. Because VT4 is bringing not something considerable in terms of capability. In modern warfare its not Tank vs Tank but tank vs anti-tank and arieal threats and the raise in capabilities of VT4 (5-10%) vs AK1 isn't that significant to make a differance in battlefield neither worth the investment on support, ammunition etc.
But its clear that PA is vary of Apaches and other attack helis deployment on the eastern front.

If you think tank vs tank is not main gonna happened then you are wrong, PA need tanks to fill the required numbers of modern tanks, as India is also upgrading its capabilities, also to tackle any enemy thrust tanks will be spearhead as they can move rapidly and provide deadly firepower with crew protection.

To tackle Apaches or attack helicopter threat PA have inducted LY-80Es and FM-90s which make current air defense network very capable, also if system like Tor or Pantsir are inducted then it will make deployment of Apaches difficult for India with out destroying PA air defense which changes whole attack plan too.

 

[Readerdefence]

I don't think the cameo is the right answer because the paint scheme can be changed, and if VT4 are meant for North Punjab then it means they will have a new unique cameo of their own. So the credible proofs are the presence of VT4 within Pakistan's territory or the statement from officials.

Hi if it’s possible to answer with the current camouflage which been for Pakistan where that can be used possible to use towards the Sind side
And comparison wise which one is best suited under 5 core
If possible to answer
Thank you

 

[Dreamer.]

FY4 is nearly twice as heavy but offers better protection. Weight would increase but so would protection.

Yes of course protection would be better, that's obvious but my question was how much of an increase in weight would it be considering the tanks total weight of ~52 ton. Enough to seriously impact the power/weight ratio of the tank, or just a minor impact?

 

[ali_raza]

There's no rule of thumb here. Too many factors to be considered from gun chamber to muzzle velocity to quality of metallurgy. LD ratio also counts. Modern 125mm rounds are indeed longer and better

and wht about DU vs heat
which one is more useful

 

[Dreamer.]

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Each ERA in the pic is about 80 kg.

Which ERA is this? they look huge.

 

[LKJ86]

Which ERA is this? they look huge.

Maybe they are China's new-generation ERA...