PAKISTAN ARMY TAKES DELIVERY OF NEW PRR

[Gryphon]

That means the radio's purchased from the yanks during WOT have been the achilles heel!

Most of the Harris radios purchased were vehicle versions.

As @Signalian mentioned, squad level radios were not common a decade back, but now the gap is being filled by this new PRR. NRTC's involvement is probably limited to assembly.

 

[Path-Finder]

Most of the Harris radios purchased were vehicle versions.

As @Signalian mentioned, squad level radios were not common a decade back, but now the gap is being filled by this new PRR. NRTC's involvement is probably limited to assembly.

So these radio are decent?

 

[Reichsmarschall]

I used to think every soldier now has its own Communication equipment

 

[MZ-PDF]

What is a PRR?

 

[Gryphon]

So these radio are decent?

They are good, but are outperformed by Aselsan offerings which are getting even better with the day.

 

[denel]

They were not dispersed widely to all formations. They were used for basic training also so not all sets could reach the area of action.


Some technicalities and practicalities that work for some, don't really work for others. Threat level, geography, training doctrine etc all matter when acquiring an equipment.

Would a wheeled Tank of South Africa be suited in Pakistan ? No, but its successful in African plains.

Everybody wants F-22, Aegis etc.....not everyone can afford modern equipment and not every doctrine dictates acquisition of only modern equipment to suit ones needs, constant up-gradation to versions through software patches is possible in communication and IT equipment used in the battlefield.

Similarly, where the threat level exceeds a certain threshold, the best equipment is brought forward.

Sire, we dont have a wheeled tank.... We have similar level of terrain to your country not as tall mountains; from plains to deserts to mountains. Our IFVs have proven themselves across all terrains; they are in Bosnia and all different parts of the world in one way form or the other.

Basic manpacks, country wide link network, standards on data encryption, EW etc etc - too much to put down. If you are using PRC-77, I am really beyond words; even if you upgraded it, it is still a 70s' unit. Any grinel equipment from early 80s' will run circles around it - ask the argentinians in Malvinas campaign who used it - you will never hear anything on brits success for jamming comms.

I can tell you one thing, NRTC need to just bring in some kits from Farhan, if they really need to come up to speed on how to build units - ubitx - I have one running right now. It is just a sheer shock to see what is being used on your side.

Actually if the Signals core cannot still produce their own SDR ( Software defined Radio) they should be fired.,

They dont.....

They need to go to Farhan Ashar for some 101 on RF design lessons. They should order 109$ full hf kit which includes everything plus shipping. If he can come up with such an innovative design in a kit; man, what is wrong with NRTC. Bottom line, there is no vision or aspiration to do something from scratch.

If you want SDR, they need to study Softrock; it is open source.

So these radio are decent?

complete rubbish units. Just get some baofeng units; they will perform better.

 

[Sinnerman108]

ahem ahem...

Signals Corps comm sets are on a different level of hierarchy than the sets provided throughout the army to a section and squad level, this is due to constraints in costs. Squad level sets were non existent before 2000's, they were deployed in some formations in 2004-5, mainly formations operating in FATA. Now they are to be generalized through out the army.

Don't under-estimate Signals Corps, grant this favor to the enemy


Now i wonder who did those software upgrades

What makes you think I do not know in too much detail how Tez and how yaqeeni they really are.

Sire, we dont have a wheeled tank.... We have similar level of terrain to your country not as tall mountains; from plains to deserts to mountains. Our IFVs have proven themselves across all terrains; they are in Bosnia and all different parts of the world in one way form or the other.

Basic manpacks, country wide link network, standards on data encryption, EW etc etc - too much to put down. If you are using PRC-77, I am really beyond words; even if you upgraded it, it is still a 70s' unit. Any grinel equipment from early 80s' will run circles around it - ask the argentinians in Malvinas campaign who used it - you will never hear anything on brits success for jamming comms.

I can tell you one thing, NRTC need to just bring in some kits from Farhan, if they really need to come up to speed on how to build units - ubitx - I have one running right now. It is just a sheer shock to see what is being used on your side.


They dont.....

They need to go to Farhan Ashar for some 101 on RF design lessons. They should order 109$ full hf kit which includes everything plus shipping. If he can come up with such an innovative design in a kit; man, what is wrong with NRTC. Bottom line, there is no vision or aspiration to do something from scratch.

If you want SDR, they need to study Softrock; it is open source.


complete rubbish units. Just get some baofeng units; they will perform better.

Unless the private sector comes in , and the military establishment learns not only to accept the fact
but also learn to deal with things on commercially viable and efficient terms
NOTHING is going to happen.

 

[monitor]

They are good, but are outperformed by Aselsan offerings which are getting even better with the day.

Why Aselsan offer was rejected ?

 

[Gryphon]

Why Aselsan offer was rejected ?

Harris radios were procured after Pakistan joined the war on terror. FMF applied, and the 'aid' was fed back to the American industry.

New Aselsan radios were evaluated later, and thousands ordered - handhelds, portables/manpacks, vehicle and tank radios.

Pakistan army is still using the old Motorola, but those are on the way out.

 

[Path-Finder]

Harris radios were procured after Pakistan joined the war on terror. FMF applied, and the 'aid' was fed back to the American industry.

New Aselsan radios were evaluated later, and thousands ordered - handhelds, portables/manpacks, vehicle and tank radios.

Pakistan army is still using the old Motorola, but those are on the way out.

Is it because these are made in Pakistan? Which shouldn't be the standard rather quality should be!

 

[denel]

Harris radios were procured after Pakistan joined the war on terror. FMF applied, and the 'aid' was fed back to the American industry.

New Aselsan radios were evaluated later, and thousands ordered - handhelds, portables/manpacks, vehicle and tank radios.

Pakistan army is still using the old Motorola, but those are on the way out.

Motorola?????? you must be joking for mil equipment?????

 

[Signalian]

What makes you think I do not know in too much detail how Tez and how yaqeeni they really are.

Your post !

 

[MastanKhan]

Sire, we dont have a wheeled tank.... We have similar level of terrain to your country not as tall mountains; from plains to deserts to mountains. Our IFVs have proven themselves across all terrains; they are in Bosnia and all different parts of the world in one way form or the other.

Basic manpacks, country wide link network, standards on data encryption, EW etc etc - too much to put down. If you are using PRC-77, I am really beyond words; even if you upgraded it, it is still a 70s' unit. Any grinel equipment from early 80s' will run circles around it - ask the argentinians in Malvinas campaign who used it - you will never hear anything on brits success for jamming comms.

I can tell you one thing, NRTC need to just bring in some kits from Farhan, if they really need to come up to speed on how to build units - ubitx - I have one running right now. It is just a sheer shock to see what is being used on your side.


They dont.....

They need to go to Farhan Ashar for some 101 on RF design lessons. They should order 109$ full hf kit which includes everything plus shipping. If he can come up with such an innovative design in a kit; man, what is wrong with NRTC. Bottom line, there is no vision or aspiration to do something from scratch.

If you want SDR, they need to study Softrock; it is open source.


complete rubbish units. Just get some baofeng units; they will perform better.

Hi,

What has surprised me is why did pak military not add some of these vehicles to its arsenal

 

[Gryphon]

Is it because these are made in Pakistan? Which shouldn't be the standard rather quality should be!

They are just assembled using kits supplied by Aselsan under some 'ToT' arrangement.

Motorola?????? you must be joking for mil equipment?????

Pakistan army uses Motorola devices, including walkie talkies.

 

[kursed]

You're referring to a country, where the entire telecommunication network (mil and civilian) is so compromised by outside sources that use of technology in most upper echelons has been reduced. There's no chance, the attitude of Pakistani procurement will change towards information technology or high-tech subsystems for telecom in the near future.

Sire, we dont have a wheeled tank.... We have similar level of terrain to your country not as tall mountains; from plains to deserts to mountains. Our IFVs have proven themselves across all terrains; they are in Bosnia and all different parts of the world in one way form or the other.

Basic manpacks, country wide link network, standards on data encryption, EW etc etc - too much to put down. If you are using PRC-77, I am really beyond words; even if you upgraded it, it is still a 70s' unit. Any grinel equipment from early 80s' will run circles around it - ask the argentinians in Malvinas campaign who used it - you will never hear anything on brits success for jamming comms.

I can tell you one thing, NRTC need to just bring in some kits from Farhan, if they really need to come up to speed on how to build units - ubitx - I have one running right now. It is just a sheer shock to see what is being used on your side.


They dont.....

They need to go to Farhan Ashar for some 101 on RF design lessons. They should order 109$ full hf kit which includes everything plus shipping. If he can come up with such an innovative design in a kit; man, what is wrong with NRTC. Bottom line, there is no vision or aspiration to do something from scratch.

If you want SDR, they need to study Softrock; it is open source.


complete rubbish units. Just get some baofeng units; they will perform better.