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Pakistanın pilot Başbakanı Şahid Hakan Abbasi, İstanbul’da T129 ATAK helikopteri ile uçtu. https://t.co/pH77BZDmjM
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The hottest issue discussed here is MRAPs but considering huge military strength and cost involved to handle MRAPs may be it's time for Pak to consider out of box thinking.i.e the ways to provide hundreds of trucks, jeeps and other vehicles already in use some sort of protection against bullets and IEDs.
One thing we can learn from past experiences of others is that to at least weld some heavy steel sheets on sides of sitting areas as well as changing ordinary glass screens with bullet proof glasses. We may also at least protect some of them by by welding thick steel sheets on their decks. It shall certainly save many lives and would cost much lesser especially in hilly terrains of KP and Balochistan.
One thing we can learn from past experiences of others is that to at least weld some heavy steel sheets on sides of sitting areas as well as changing ordinary glass screens with bullet proof glasses. We may also at least protect some of them by by welding thick steel sheets on their decks. It shall certainly save many lives and would cost much lesser especially in hilly terrains of KP and Balochistan.
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Pakistan faces tough competition in armored vehicles export
By: Usman Ansari 3 days ago
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The six-wheel drive Hamza was developed from the eight-wheel drive variant, shown here. (Courtesy of Cavalier Group)
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan ― Pakistan’s Cavalier Group unveiled its latest wheeled armored fighting vehicles at the Bahrain International Defence Exhibition and Conference over Oct. 16-18 in hopes of breaking into the Gulf-Middle East market. However, it faces stiff competition from entrenched suppliers and is yet to secure domestic orders that could help export hopes.
The six-wheel drive Hamza and the four-wheel drive Interceptor were specifically designed for the Gulf-Middle East market.
The Hamza is a mine-resistant, ambush-protected vehicle with armor rated at the Level 4 STANAG 4569 standard; it can be increased to Level 5 STANAG 4569. It features a V-shaped hull meant to survive 10 kilograms worth of TNT detonated under any wheel.
It can be armed with machine guns or a larger-caliber cannon, and it accommodates 13 personnel (including a three-man crew) on blast-mitigating seats.
The Interceptor is an internal security vehicle built on the Toyota Land Cruiser 79 chassis with options of Level B6 or Level B7 armored protection.
The six-wheel drive Hamza was developed from the eight-wheel drive variant unveiled at Pakistan’s biennial defense exhibition IDEAS in November 2016, targeted at a possible ground forces requirement to support U.N. peacekeeping operations and for use by Pakistan’s paramilitary Frontier Corps and Frontier Constabulary. At the time, Cavalier Group told Defense News the chassis would spawn a family of vehicles, with a six-wheel drive variant being developed for police, paramilitary rangers and air forces.
Any contracts would be fulfilled in partnership with Pakistan’s state-owned manufacturer of armored fighting vehicles, Heavy Industries Taxila, making it the largest such public-private joint venture undertaken in Pakistan.
However, it’s uncertain whether Cavalier Group can secure exports, despite telling Defense News it could offer supplies at half the cost of European manufacturers.
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Besides established European and North American suppliers, notable competition would certainly come from Turkish company Otokar, which already extensively supplies Bahrain’s security services. And like other Turkish companies such as FNSS ― which recently supplied its eight-wheel and six-wheel drive PARS vehicles to Oman ― Otokar is making inroads in the Gulf-Middle East market.
Also at BIDEC was Canada’s Cambli Group promoting its Thunder 2 tactical armored truck for use by militaries and law enforcement. The truck provides Level B7 protection and has already secured one North African customer.
Regional competition comes from Oman’s Engine Engineering Company with its NIMR range of four-wheel drive armored vehicles similar to Cavalier Group’s Interceptor.
Author, analyst and former Australian defense attache to Islamabad Brian Cloughley says Cavalier Group may have a chance, especially if domestic orders also eventuate.
“The products appear to be high quality, and there is little doubt that the Pakistan Army will continue to need such vehicles. In spite of having gained ascendancy in the Afghanistan frontier areas, they will have to remain in the area for the foreseeable future, and it is harsh terrain, even for well-built vehicles”, he said.
“As current holdings wear out, there will be a definite requirement for replacements, and perhaps this is where the Hamza, especially, could figure. It is not an over-complex vehicle and is also ideally suited to paramilitary forces. Production volume would in that case cut costs.”
Further cost-cutting would improve export potential, and “the Gulf States are an obvious market and might be persuaded that acquisition of small numbers of a product in use by Pakistan’s armed forces would be economical as well as a major goodwill gesture,” Cloughley added.
Unfortunately, the lack of clarity from Pakistan’s Army as to whether it even wants wheeled armored fighting vehicles, despite the need, is unhelpful. Therefore, “exports are a different matter,” he said.
https://www.defensenews.com/land/20...tough-competition-in-armored-vehicles-export/
By: Usman Ansari 3 days ago
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The six-wheel drive Hamza was developed from the eight-wheel drive variant, shown here. (Courtesy of Cavalier Group)
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan ― Pakistan’s Cavalier Group unveiled its latest wheeled armored fighting vehicles at the Bahrain International Defence Exhibition and Conference over Oct. 16-18 in hopes of breaking into the Gulf-Middle East market. However, it faces stiff competition from entrenched suppliers and is yet to secure domestic orders that could help export hopes.
The six-wheel drive Hamza and the four-wheel drive Interceptor were specifically designed for the Gulf-Middle East market.
The Hamza is a mine-resistant, ambush-protected vehicle with armor rated at the Level 4 STANAG 4569 standard; it can be increased to Level 5 STANAG 4569. It features a V-shaped hull meant to survive 10 kilograms worth of TNT detonated under any wheel.
It can be armed with machine guns or a larger-caliber cannon, and it accommodates 13 personnel (including a three-man crew) on blast-mitigating seats.
The Interceptor is an internal security vehicle built on the Toyota Land Cruiser 79 chassis with options of Level B6 or Level B7 armored protection.
The six-wheel drive Hamza was developed from the eight-wheel drive variant unveiled at Pakistan’s biennial defense exhibition IDEAS in November 2016, targeted at a possible ground forces requirement to support U.N. peacekeeping operations and for use by Pakistan’s paramilitary Frontier Corps and Frontier Constabulary. At the time, Cavalier Group told Defense News the chassis would spawn a family of vehicles, with a six-wheel drive variant being developed for police, paramilitary rangers and air forces.
Any contracts would be fulfilled in partnership with Pakistan’s state-owned manufacturer of armored fighting vehicles, Heavy Industries Taxila, making it the largest such public-private joint venture undertaken in Pakistan.
However, it’s uncertain whether Cavalier Group can secure exports, despite telling Defense News it could offer supplies at half the cost of European manufacturers.
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The top Defense News stories of the day
Besides established European and North American suppliers, notable competition would certainly come from Turkish company Otokar, which already extensively supplies Bahrain’s security services. And like other Turkish companies such as FNSS ― which recently supplied its eight-wheel and six-wheel drive PARS vehicles to Oman ― Otokar is making inroads in the Gulf-Middle East market.
Also at BIDEC was Canada’s Cambli Group promoting its Thunder 2 tactical armored truck for use by militaries and law enforcement. The truck provides Level B7 protection and has already secured one North African customer.
Regional competition comes from Oman’s Engine Engineering Company with its NIMR range of four-wheel drive armored vehicles similar to Cavalier Group’s Interceptor.
Author, analyst and former Australian defense attache to Islamabad Brian Cloughley says Cavalier Group may have a chance, especially if domestic orders also eventuate.
“The products appear to be high quality, and there is little doubt that the Pakistan Army will continue to need such vehicles. In spite of having gained ascendancy in the Afghanistan frontier areas, they will have to remain in the area for the foreseeable future, and it is harsh terrain, even for well-built vehicles”, he said.
“As current holdings wear out, there will be a definite requirement for replacements, and perhaps this is where the Hamza, especially, could figure. It is not an over-complex vehicle and is also ideally suited to paramilitary forces. Production volume would in that case cut costs.”
Further cost-cutting would improve export potential, and “the Gulf States are an obvious market and might be persuaded that acquisition of small numbers of a product in use by Pakistan’s armed forces would be economical as well as a major goodwill gesture,” Cloughley added.
Unfortunately, the lack of clarity from Pakistan’s Army as to whether it even wants wheeled armored fighting vehicles, despite the need, is unhelpful. Therefore, “exports are a different matter,” he said.
https://www.defensenews.com/land/20...tough-competition-in-armored-vehicles-export/
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We would like to thank & wish the Pakistan Army a safe trip home. Hope to see you again next year. Thanks for the memories & gifts #CP17 https://t.co/LtHMEMTJJU
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In photos: securing the Pakistan-Afghanistan border
Pakistan ForwardEvery inch of the international border will be fenced and monitored to crack down on militancy, a Pakistani official said.
A Pakistani soldier keeps vigil next to the newly fenced border along Paktika Province, Afghanistan, in Angoor Adda, South Waziristan, October 18. [Aamir Qureshi/AFP]
ANGOOR ADDA, South Waziristan -- Pakistan's military invited journalists to the border with Afghanistan Wednesday (October 18) to showcase its efforts to secure the porous, militancy-infested frontier.
For decades, militants from the Afghan Taliban, al-Qaeda and other militant groups have operated with impunity in the region, crossing the colonial-era border at will. Pakistan and Afghanistan have long accused one another of providing safe havens in the border region from which militants launch devastating cross-frontier attacks.
A roughly 10-foot-tall chain-link fence, shrouded in barbed wire, has begun stretching through parts of the rugged tribal districts of North and South Waziristan along the Afghan border. Construction began in March.
A camouflaged Pakistani army sniper takes up his position at Kitton Orchard Post, North Waziristan, near the newly fenced border with Afghanistan October 18. [Aamir Qureshi/AFP]
Pakistani soldiers patrol next to a newly fenced border separating North Waziristan and Afghanistan October 18. [Aamir Qureshi/AFP]
A Pakistani army helicopter patrols near the newly fenced border in Angoor Adda, South Waziristan, along the border with Paktika Province, Afghanistan, October 18. [Aamir Qureshi/AFP]
Pakistani soldiers patrol next to a new fence separating Angoor Adda, South Waziristan, and Paktika Province, Afghanistan, October 18. [Aamir Qureshi/AFP]
To date, workers have built 43km of fencing along the Pakistani-Afghan border. The entire border will be fenced by the end of 2018, according to Pakistani military officials. [Aamir Qureshi/AFP]
A Pakistani soldier keeps vigil along the newly fenced Pakistani-Afghan border at Kitton Orchard Post in North Waziristan October 18. [Aamir Qureshi/AFP]
Pakistani soldiers at the forts spaced along the frontier scan the rolling, bush-covered hills on the other side. Inside the forts, more troops monitor CCTV cameras trained on the fence, which is illuminated by solar powered lights at night.
The fence is an "epoch shift" in control of the border, a top Pakistani officer in South Waziristan told journalists at Hamza Fort, Angoor Adda. The military also took reporters by helicopter to see the Kitton Orchard Fort near Ghulam Khan in North Waziristan, more than 200km away.
To date, only 43km of the border have been separated by the fence, but the entire length will be covered by the end of next year, said the officer. "There'll not be an inch of international border that shall not remain under observation by December of 2018," he said. The military requested that he not be named.
"By the time we are done, God willing, we'll be very sure of one thing -- that nobody can cross this place."
"Fencing the Pakistan-Afghanistan border is a great initiative and will help curb militants shuttling along the border," Muhammad Amir Rana, director of the Pak Institute for Peace Studies in Islamabad, told Pakistan Forward.
"I am sure it will help control militants' operations up to 70% on both sides of the border and will be a great initiative in winning the whe war on terror," he said.
Fencing the border should have taken place long ago, said Prof. Syed Hussain Shaheed Soherwordi, chairman of the international relations department at the University of Peshawar.
"The fencing will guarantee peace for both Pakistan and Afghanistan, and secondly it will help hunt down the terrorists who usually escape [security] operations [by] crossing the porous border," he told Pakistan Forward.
[Muhammad Ahil from Peshawar contributed to this report.]
Pakistan ForwardEvery inch of the international border will be fenced and monitored to crack down on militancy, a Pakistani official said.
A Pakistani soldier keeps vigil next to the newly fenced border along Paktika Province, Afghanistan, in Angoor Adda, South Waziristan, October 18. [Aamir Qureshi/AFP]
ANGOOR ADDA, South Waziristan -- Pakistan's military invited journalists to the border with Afghanistan Wednesday (October 18) to showcase its efforts to secure the porous, militancy-infested frontier.
For decades, militants from the Afghan Taliban, al-Qaeda and other militant groups have operated with impunity in the region, crossing the colonial-era border at will. Pakistan and Afghanistan have long accused one another of providing safe havens in the border region from which militants launch devastating cross-frontier attacks.
A roughly 10-foot-tall chain-link fence, shrouded in barbed wire, has begun stretching through parts of the rugged tribal districts of North and South Waziristan along the Afghan border. Construction began in March.
A camouflaged Pakistani army sniper takes up his position at Kitton Orchard Post, North Waziristan, near the newly fenced border with Afghanistan October 18. [Aamir Qureshi/AFP]
Pakistani soldiers patrol next to a newly fenced border separating North Waziristan and Afghanistan October 18. [Aamir Qureshi/AFP]
A Pakistani army helicopter patrols near the newly fenced border in Angoor Adda, South Waziristan, along the border with Paktika Province, Afghanistan, October 18. [Aamir Qureshi/AFP]
Pakistani soldiers patrol next to a new fence separating Angoor Adda, South Waziristan, and Paktika Province, Afghanistan, October 18. [Aamir Qureshi/AFP]
To date, workers have built 43km of fencing along the Pakistani-Afghan border. The entire border will be fenced by the end of 2018, according to Pakistani military officials. [Aamir Qureshi/AFP]
A Pakistani soldier keeps vigil along the newly fenced Pakistani-Afghan border at Kitton Orchard Post in North Waziristan October 18. [Aamir Qureshi/AFP]
Pakistani soldiers at the forts spaced along the frontier scan the rolling, bush-covered hills on the other side. Inside the forts, more troops monitor CCTV cameras trained on the fence, which is illuminated by solar powered lights at night.
The fence is an "epoch shift" in control of the border, a top Pakistani officer in South Waziristan told journalists at Hamza Fort, Angoor Adda. The military also took reporters by helicopter to see the Kitton Orchard Fort near Ghulam Khan in North Waziristan, more than 200km away.
To date, only 43km of the border have been separated by the fence, but the entire length will be covered by the end of next year, said the officer. "There'll not be an inch of international border that shall not remain under observation by December of 2018," he said. The military requested that he not be named.
"By the time we are done, God willing, we'll be very sure of one thing -- that nobody can cross this place."
"Fencing the Pakistan-Afghanistan border is a great initiative and will help curb militants shuttling along the border," Muhammad Amir Rana, director of the Pak Institute for Peace Studies in Islamabad, told Pakistan Forward.
"I am sure it will help control militants' operations up to 70% on both sides of the border and will be a great initiative in winning the whe war on terror," he said.
Fencing the border should have taken place long ago, said Prof. Syed Hussain Shaheed Soherwordi, chairman of the international relations department at the University of Peshawar.
"The fencing will guarantee peace for both Pakistan and Afghanistan, and secondly it will help hunt down the terrorists who usually escape [security] operations [by] crossing the porous border," he told Pakistan Forward.
[Muhammad Ahil from Peshawar contributed to this report.]
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US wants Pakistan to establish military presence in #Afghanistan but won’t pay the cost – fmr intelligence chief https://t.co/4xUW9OGLir https://t.co/WFgKdcWLf5
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چند خواب تھے،
جوسپردِ خاک کردئیے ہیں،،
Lt Fahad Raza shaheed.. Rest in Peace Ameen.. https://t.co/NieBQyJ7yk
جوسپردِ خاک کردئیے ہیں،،
Lt Fahad Raza shaheed.. Rest in Peace Ameen.. https://t.co/NieBQyJ7yk
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Although its a plan to make scapegoat of Pakistan but its also a blessing in disguise if executed properly.
PA and ISI can better counter RAW/NDS by establishing a temp base in Afghanistan and monitor all activities on ground especially cross border movement.
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Chinese ATGM technology has matured enough that it can compete with US and Israeli ATGM
The HJ-10, sometimes also called AFT-10, is a NLOS ATGM system mounted atop a ZBD04A derived vehicle, with a missile range of at least 10km.
The HJ-10, sometimes also called AFT-10, is a NLOS ATGM system mounted atop a ZBD04A derived vehicle, with a missile range of at least 10km.
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#Pakistan has bought powerful weapon for close targets - TV / DataLink guided land-to-land Kosava-1 faction from #Serbia. https://t.co/pdLD88rPGR
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Fatman what u think about it? I think they disappoint from India for not giving troops for Astan now giving same kosher to Pakistan ?
Remember Trump stated on policy day more troops going to Astan? Around 4k so far they send none reason they don't have extra troops available. The National guards they were thinking to send r busy Hurricane hit area .I think it's unfair with those kids they not trained to fight ruthless enemy .That the reason they pressure Pak to do more do something.
I think we should help them someway so it can be a Win win situation for both of Us .
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