Pakistan And India-Water Disputes-News And Updates

[Hassan_Ishtiaq]

Let them try, these bharatis won't man up and attack, now they will try to deprive millions of innocents from water like a bunch of cowards.

 

[Soumitra]

Firstly you said, we asked for war and Mr. Modi is giving it to us and now your relations with China are improving all of a sudden. I asked what do you expect us to do when your state threaten to block water?

We expect you to cross the border and dare to attack us

 

[third eye]

Ok so nukes don't work but stopping water does. Thats your point.

Thats right. Nukes are only a threat in being which gets neutralised when both parties have them. Water is not being stopped , India shall only utilise whats its rightful share is.

Dude when the beas, ravi and sutlej stop flowing into pakistan, their ENTIRE punjab will go dry

The Harike Barrage, at the confluence of the Beas and Sutlej, channels water into the Indira Gandhi Canal, which runs for about 400 miles (640 km) to the southwest to irrigate some 1.5 million acres (607,000 hectares) of desert in western Rajasthan. The main canal was completed in 1987.

 

[VivasvatManu]

Thats right. Nukes are only a threat in being which gets neutralised when both parties have them. Water is not being stopped , India shall only utilise whats its rightful share is.

Water IS being stopped. The River Ravi will no longer flow into pakistan.

More importantly work on the Indus river will commence without any formal announcement. THAT is why we have INDEFINITELY suspended the IWT commission till terrorism ends.

The Harike Barrage, at the confluence of the Beas and Sutlej, channels water into the Indira Gandhi Canal, which runs for about 400 miles (640 km) to the southwest to irrigate some 1.5 million acres (607,000 hectares) of desert in western Rajasthan. The main canal was completed in 1987.

I know that. what is your point ?

Did you know that India had the habit releasing water from its dams over Sutlej and Beas into pakistan ? Never again under the new directive.

 

[third eye]

Did you know that India had the habit releasing water from its dams over Sutlej and Beas into pakistan ? Never again under the new directive.

When reservoirs are full & water still keeps flowing into them, where does the excess go ?

 

[VivasvatManu]

When reservoirs are full & water still keeps flowing into them, where does the excess go ?

Earlier it used to go to pakistan, now it will go to Rajasthan.

 

[third eye]

Earlier it used to go to pakistan, now it will go to Rajasthan.

It was always diverted to the IGC, only surplus was let off into Pakistan

The IGC too has a capacity. It could be extended into Gujarat with branches inland

 

[VivasvatManu]

It was always diverted to the IGC, only surplus was let off into Pakistan

The IGC too has a capacity. It could be extended into Gujarat with branches inland

The new plan IS to expand the capacity of IGC with the use of pipes for the last mile connectivity.

Also the new plan is the diver the water of the River Ravi completely into the IGC.

So all the pakistani land what was previously cultivate by these waters will now run dry. This is going to have a serious and significant impact on their agricultural produce and political stability.


http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...andhi-Canal-proposed/articleshow/53527748.cms

"After the implementation of the project the cultural command area (CCA) is expected to increase by about 1.80 lakh hectares in the seven districts of Sri Ganganagar, Hanumangarh, Churu, Bikaner, Jodhpur, Jaisalmer and Barmer districts."


"........According to the proposal the water from the canal would reach the farmers land through pipelines and the farmers just had to install sprinklers which would be subsided from the Agriculture department. "

 

[Devil Soul]

Delhi decides to suspend Indus Water Commission talks
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NEW DELHI: India has decided to suspend Indus Water Commission talks until “Pakistan-sponsored terror” in India ends, The Hindu said on Monday.

It quoted sources as saying the decision was taken at a meeting presided over by Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Monday to review the Indus Waters Treaty (IWT) with Pakistan amid heightened tension between the two countries.

National Security Adviser Ajit Doval, Foreign Secretary S. Jaishankar, the water resources secretary and senior officials were present at the meeting, the paper said.

According to a former commissioner for the IWT, India’s decision to suspend talks on the treaty means that there will be no meetings, as described in the agreement, between the commissioners of the two countries in future. “If they (India) have decided to do so, there will be no meeting between the commissioners of the two countries that is mandatory to be held once in a year. Similarly, the meetings that are held time to time under the treaty on any issue either on the request of Pakistan or India will not be held now,” Syed Jamat Ali Shah told Dawn.

Sources told The Hindu that while the treaty was not reviewed in the meeting, steps to utilise India’s western rivers in a better way were discussed.

It was also decided to suspend the 1987 Tulbul navigation project and review it. Mr Modi was briefed about the dams under construction in Jammu and Kashmir, who wanted work on them to be expedited.

Mr Modi said that “blood and water can’t flow together”.

The review is being undertaken as India weighs options to respond to Pakistan following the Uri attack that left 18 soldiers dead.

There have been previous calls in India that the government scrap the water distribution pact to mount pressure on Pakistan in the aftermath of earlier terror attacks.

Under the treaty, which was signed by Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru and President Ayub Khan in Sept 1960, water of six rivers — Beas, Ravi, Sutlej, Indus, Chenab and Jhelum — are to be shared between the two countries.

Pakistan has been complaining of not receiving enough water and gone for international arbitration in a couple of cases.

Khalid Hasnain in Lahore contributed to this report

Published in Dawn, September 27th, 2016


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[somebozo]

Pakistan sponsored terror in India is a figment of Indian imagination..and in some delusional bollywood supah powah india is fiddling all its holes...this will erode years of trust and India will reassert itself as an irresponsible country....we need to bring up cases of Indian sponsored terror in Pakistan as well...and find ways to co-operate with China in securing water supply..

IWT is not a commission for talks but a treat guaranteed by world bank...for years Pakistan has complained to world bank over Indian manipulation of river data and water flow...now this will re-assert Pakistani position...

 

[ThaniOruvan]

China holds the key to three of your rivers The Indus was just mentioned to keep your excitement at bay. Go ahead and try to lay Pakistan to waste. As for me tying in everything with China, you better tell that first to your strategic experts, because they're reading from the same hymn sheet I am my dear fellow. As for "colliding" with India, China annoys and prods at India all the time. If you go down the water war path, expect much, much worse.

Totally wrong. China will not go down the water path. Will they block Brahmaputra ? No. Because it will severely impact Bangladesh as well. So for a country trying to gain strategic edge over India befriending Bangladesh this is not a conducive move but detrimental. Let china try and block remaining rivers flowing into India. Even in that case china can block only two and the remaining four jammu and kashmiri rivers still emerge from India. We can very well compensate by using all of the water from those four rivers against limited use of just three rivers currently under IWT. India is the beneficiary in either case. Pakistan will be the biggest loser. 10-15 years down the line this is going to be the picture.

Watch your mouth, anymore of this I'll kick you from the site quicker than you can post.
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What will you call people who believe whatever the government tells instead of using common-sense ?
Please go ahead and throw me out of this forum if you desire.

 

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Delhi decides to suspend Indus Water Commission talks
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NEW DELHI: India has decided to suspend Indus Water Commission talks until “Pakistan-sponsored terror” in India ends, The Hindu said on Monday.

It quoted sources as saying the decision was taken at a meeting presided over by Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Monday to review the Indus Waters Treaty (IWT) with Pakistan amid heightened tension between the two countries.

National Security Adviser Ajit Doval, Foreign Secretary S. Jaishankar, the water resources secretary and senior officials were present at the meeting, the paper said.

According to a former commissioner for the IWT, India’s decision to suspend talks on the treaty means that there will be no meetings, as described in the agreement, between the commissioners of the two countries in future. “If they (India) have decided to do so, there will be no meeting between the commissioners of the two countries that is mandatory to be held once in a year. Similarly, the meetings that are held time to time under the treaty on any issue either on the request of Pakistan or India will not be held now,” Syed Jamat Ali Shah told Dawn.

Sources told The Hindu that while the treaty was not reviewed in the meeting, steps to utilise India’s western rivers in a better way were discussed.

It was also decided to suspend the 1987 Tulbul navigation project and review it. Mr Modi was briefed about the dams under construction in Jammu and Kashmir, who wanted work on them to be expedited.

Mr Modi said that “blood and water can’t flow together”.

The review is being undertaken as India weighs options to respond to Pakistan following the Uri attack that left 18 soldiers dead.

There have been previous calls in India that the government scrap the water distribution pact to mount pressure on Pakistan in the aftermath of earlier terror attacks.

Under the treaty, which was signed by Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru and President Ayub Khan in Sept 1960, water of six rivers — Beas, Ravi, Sutlej, Indus, Chenab and Jhelum — are to be shared between the two countries.

Pakistan has been complaining of not receiving enough water and gone for international arbitration in a couple of cases.

Khalid Hasnain in Lahore contributed to this report

Published in Dawn, September 27th, 2016


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Go ahead do it.. your control over our water is partial and it's impractical to stop waters like you are imagining ... And even if you flood/close gates Pak army is not in siachen to play baraf paani.. imagine a part of the mighty glacier being blown off (or controlled demolition of a part in stages).the results will be disastrous esp for leh and himachal paradesh and further south for anything along the rivers.. both Pakistan and india will suffer in this dirty game ..world will intervene. Pakistan's case will become stronger on Kashmir and world will only realise how much of a migraine india is and proactivly move towards plebiscite on Kashmir .Indian war mongerers think it's a child's play ..we are not Bangladesh...consequences are too much for their little minds to bear so they better forget on these silly dreams and get back to peace talks .

 

[That Guy]

India can do whatever it wants, as long as it abides by the treaty.

 

[Roybot]

Pakistan sponsored terror in India is a figment of Indian imagination..and in some delusional bollywood supah powah india is fiddling all its holes...this will erode years of trust and India will reassert itself as an irresponsible country....we need to bring up cases of Indian sponsored terror in Pakistan as well...and find ways to co-operate with China in securing water supply..

IWT is not a commission for talks but a treat guaranteed by world bank...for years Pakistan has complained to world bank over Indian manipulation of river data and water flow...now this will re-assert Pakistani position...

There is no world bank guarantee! Stop propagating this myth, you are only going to mislead your countrymen and eventually disappoint them if India does decide to scrap the IWT.

IWT is a bilateral treaty, and was signed as a gesture of goodwill and friendship. There is no obligation, legal or economic.

 

[somebozo]

There is no world bank guarantee! Stop propagating this myth, you are only going to mislead your countrymen and eventually disappoint them if India does decide to scrap the IWT.

IWT is a bilateral treaty, and was signed as a gesture of goodwill and friendship. There is no obligation, legal or economic.

Sorry...it is a signatory..not a gurantor...which means any future re-negotiation will also involved WB...Modi is falsely chest thumping trying to show some fake masculinity ke ham bhi ksi sa kam nahi! chutya president sala! The fact is that India got no need on the Uri false flag and if the attack is not capitalized by BJP it will back fire as investigations close in...

The Indus Waters Treaty was concluded by India and Pakistan on September 19, 1960. The World Bank is a signatory to the Treaty for certain specified purposes. It is not a guarantor of the Treaty. Many of the purposes for which the World Bank signed the Treaty have been completed.

http://web.worldbank.org/WBSITE/EXT...K:146736~piPK:146830~theSitePK:223547,00.html

@HSM

There are now three remaining responsibilities for the World Bank under the Treaty, relating to settlement of differences and disputes.

Disagreements by the parties on the interpretation of the provisions of the Treaty are classified into three categories:

• questions are examined by the Permanent Indus Commission;
• differences by a Neutral Expert;
• and disputes by a Court of Arbitration.

According to the Treaty, the remaining responsibilities of the World Bank are:

One, a role for the World Bank in the appointment of a Neutral Expert. The first step under the Treaty is to resolve any "question" through the Permanent Indus Commission itself. If the "question" is not resolved there, it becomes a "difference" and is referred to a Neutral Expert, to be appointed by the two countries, or by a third party agreed upon by the two countries. In the absence of such an agreement, the appointment of the Neutral Expert would be made by the World Bank, in consultation with the two countries. The decision of the Neutral Expert on all matters within his competence shall be final and binding.

Two, the management by the World Bank of a trust fund to meet the expenses of a Neutral Expert.

Three, a role for the World Bank in the establishment of a Court of Arbitration. If the “difference” does not fall within the mandate of the Neutral Expert, or if the Neutral Expert rules that the “difference” should be treated as a “dispute”, then a Court of Arbitration would be established. The role of the World Bank, along with other institutions such as the Secretary General of the United Nations, is to participate in the selection of three appointees to the seven-person Court. The parties to the Treaty each select two members of the Court. The World Bank itself plays no part in the actual hearing or determination of the issues before the tribunal.

Full Text of Articles

• Preamble
• Article I Definitions
• Article II Provisions regarding Eastern Rivers
• Article III Provisions regarding Western Rivers
• Article IV Provisions regarding Easter Rivers and Western Rivers
• Article V Financial Provisions
• Article VI Exchange of Data
• Article VII Future Cooperation
• Article VIII Permanent Indus Commission
• Article IX Settlement of Differences and Disputes
• Article X Emergency Provisions
• Article XI General Provisions
• Article XII Final Provisions

• Annexure A - Exchange of Notes between Gov.of India and Gov. of Pakistan
• Annexure B - Agricultural use by Pakistan from certain Tributaries of the Ravi
• Annexure C - Agricultural use by India from the western rivers
• Annexure D - Generation of Hydro-Electric Power by India on the western rivers
• Annexure E - Storage of Waters by India on the western rivers
• Annexure F - Neutral Expert
• Annexure G - Court of Arbitration
• Annexure H - Transitional Arrangements
• Annexure H - Appendix II

Shiri Moo Dhoye Jee has gone bezerk and farting left right from every hole..!