Pakistan and China bust human trafficking ring disguised as marriage proposals

[waz]

So eating pork a crime in Pakistan? So why blame India when they kill people for eating beef?

Dude Pakistani Christians eat pork all the time.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Agree that zaid hamid is definitely an opportunist, not only that, he's also reckless and has a way of making enemies out of friends, reason why he was thrown in the slammer in Saudi Arabia. Disagree on the scholars, but that's just my perhaps overly cautious approach to faith. I tend to put religious scholars under a very powerful microscope watching them very carefully and view them all with a great degree of cynicism on account of all the sectarianism that has originated from them throughout history. Sorry but I just don't buy that centuries old argument that "they spent their entire lives studying Islam so who are you to question them". I can very well question them, for I have eyes and I can THINK!

Blind faith in anyone is never a good idea.

We judge them by their words and their deeds.

 

[GumNaam]

Blind faith in anyone is never a good idea.

We judge them by their words and their deeds.

That's the problem that I see. I only see words. I don't see deeds. I never saw dr israr ahmed raising orphans, I never saw him standing up for weak, I never saw him funding anything for the poor. All I saw were seminars after seminars after seminars. zh is the same way.

 

[武成王]

A team of high ranked police department officials from China visited Pakistan few days ago, please check the homepage of Embassy of PRC http://pk.chineseembassy.org/chn/zbgx/t1661742.htm.

中方已掌握一批非法跨国婚姻介绍机构的线索，但没有发现巴基斯坦妇女嫁往中国后被迫卖淫或被买卖器官的情况。中方希望与巴基斯坦执法部门密切配合，联手打击非法跨国婚姻中介行为，切实保障两国群众合法权益，共同维护中巴友好关系。

[excerpt key translation of embassy news]: Until now, the Chinese police didn't find there's criminal evidence relevant with prostitution or organ dealing. Chinese police hope to cooperate with Pakistan police to knock down illegal international marriage brokers.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

That's the problem that I see. I only see words. I don't see deeds. I never saw dr israr ahmed raising orphans, I never saw him standing up for weak, I never saw him funding anything for the poor. All I saw were seminars after seminars after seminars. zh is the same way.

Don’t be so quick to disparage people you do not know.

Anyway, that’s your opinion and it is veering way off topic.

 

[GumNaam]

Don’t be so quick to disparage people you do not know.

Anyway, that’s your opinion and it is veering way off topic.

I made the disclaimer before hand that this just how I am. And besides, not like you know dr israr ahmed personally either. I'm sure his heart was in the right place, to start following someone's teachings, it'll require a LOT more than just having their heart in the right place...

Oh yar yeh to ab PDF ka tradition hay bhai, every thread HAS to veer off topic at least for a little bit...

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

And besides, not like you know dr israr ahmed personally either.

I knew him very well, brother. He was a man of God.

 

[GumNaam]

I knew him very well, brother. He was a man of God.

I never said he wasn't. I just did not see him as a leader who would lead by example. At best, a teacher and a very good one...but that's it.

 

[Pandora]

There should be a proper background check prior to issuing visas to any country. Lucky for us pakistanis we all are bunch of xenophobes and will no doubt will certainly develop less tolerance for chinese as time goes by. China will certainly have to withdraw it policy to use its own labour force in our local project. It won't be too long now as public is already taking $hits for having to see chinese at every corner. I am in no sense against china but if history tells us anything it is that we can't tolerate outsiders for too long.

 

[AHMED85]

These Chinese should thanks to God that they have been arrested by FIA, not by my self.

Because i don't treat criminals like FIA.
Neither i have authority.

 

[S.Y.A]

first the chinese were involved in hacking Pakistani banks and ATMs and now this. it is because the chinese are sending in criminals to work on cpec projects as workforce, and the pakistani govt, who landed us in this trap, are idiots who do not even realize this.

That's the problem that I see. I only see words. I don't see deeds. I never saw dr israr ahmed raising orphans, I never saw him standing up for weak, I never saw him funding anything for the poor. All I saw were seminars after seminars after seminars. zh is the same way.

so, israr ahmed should have publicized his every good deed like politicians do? your definition of a good person is very flawed, if they dont show off, they arent good.

Agree that zaid hamid is definitely an opportunist, not only that, he's also reckless and has a way of making enemies out of friends, reason why he was thrown in the slammer in Saudi Arabia. Disagree on the scholars, but that's just my perhaps overly cautious approach to faith. I tend to put religious scholars under a very powerful microscope watching them very carefully and view them all with a great degree of cynicism on account of all the sectarianism that has originated from them throughout history. Sorry but I just don't buy that centuries old argument that "they spent their entire lives studying Islam so who are you to question them". I can very well question them, for I have eyes and I can THINK!

naah, you only want them to do charity and stuff like IK or other people do: in front of world media, publicly. while these people follow the teachings of the Prophet; that when their right hand gives something, their left hand shouldnt know about it.

 

[GumNaam]

first the chinese were involved in hacking Pakistani banks and ATMs and now this. it is because the chinese are sending in criminals to work on cpec projects as workforce, and the pakistani govt, who landed us in this trap, are idiots who do not even realize this.


so, israr ahmed should have publicized his every good deed like politicians do? your definition of a good person is very flawed, if they dont show off, they arent good.


naah, you only want them to do charity and stuff like IK or other people do: in front of world media, publicly. while these people follow the teachings of the Prophet; that when their right hand gives something, their left hand shouldnt know about it.

IK's dharnas and other actions landed the richest, one of thet most corrupt politicians and longest serving prime minister in jail. Do you see such a struggle from Dr Israr Ahmed et al? No! Abdussatar eidhi runs the largest welfare organization in the world raised dozens of orphans as his own. How many orphans did Dr Israr Ahmed et al raise? None! See where this is going?

Actions speak louder than words...unfortunately, our ulemas are all words, no actions. And then they have the nerve to God knows how, equate themselves to likes of Imam Shafi, Imam maalik and others....

 

[S.Y.A]

IK's dharnas and other actions landed the richest, one of thet most corrupt politicians and longest serving prime minister in jail. Do you see such a struggle from Dr Israr Ahmed et al? No! Abdussatar eidhi runs the largest welfare organization in the world raised dozens of orphans as his own. How many orphans did Dr Israr Ahmed et al raise? None! See where this is going?

Actions speak louder than words...unfortunately, our ulemas are all words, no actions. And then they have the nerve to God knows how, equate themselves to likes of Imam Shafi, Imam maalik and others....

I am talking about shaukat khanum, IK couldnt even raise money without media and publicity. again, your logic is flawed. according to you a person must be good if he does good and shows off about it in the public and media.

because they dont publicize their actions, therefore they must be hypocrites.

 

[GumNaam]

I am talking about shaukat khanum, IK couldnt even raise money without media and publicity. again, your logic is flawed. according to you a person must be good if he does good and shows off about it in the public and media.

because they dont publicize their actions, therefore they must be hypocrites.

no you've misinterpreted what I'm trying to say. My point is that they are all words, no actions. I didn't say that they aren't "good" people or aren't "bad" people. The definition of good and bat...now that's a debate on its own.

 

[S.Y.A]

My point is that they are all words, no actions.

There are actions, they just dont publicize it. that is what you are not getting.

"If you disclose your charitable expenditures, they are good; but if you conceal them and give them to the poor, it is better for you..." Quran[2:271]