Pakistan Air Force Transport

[Nomad40]

And that replacement will be other than c130 new variant

Right now PAF is desperate for C-130s.

 

[Imran Khan]

The US seriously needs to reconsider what it can or cannot sell to Pakistan. If India can purchase weapons from Russia, which is a Chinese ally, then I don't see any problems in selling Pakistan brand new (or even used) C-130s.

BTW c-130s were upgraded Mar 2014 .
Pakistan did not requested any major arms sales to USA since 2015 . last orders were GRC43M Cutters Oct 30, 2014 and AH1Z Apr 6, 2015 . after the delivery issues with both these orders pakistan have self imposed ban on US major arms sales .
in last 6 years pakistan have purchased tons of major weapons like
AWACS sweden
FRIGATES china - turkey
TANKS china
RADARS china
MARITIME PATROL CRAFTS china
SUBMARINES china
ARMED DRONES china
CORVETTES turkey
LIGHT ATTACK SHIPS Romania
NAVAL SUPPORT SHIP turkey -local
NAVAL REFILING SHIP turkey -local
COASTAL DEFENSE MISSILES china
AW-139 helicopters for AF italy
AW-139 helicopters for army italy
AIRCRAFT PODS turkey
air to air MISSILES china
ANTI RADIATION MISSILES brazil
LOW FREQUENCY RADARS china
ANTI SHIP MISSILES china
TRAINING HELICOPTERS garmany
MARITIME PATROL AIRCRAFT Brazil - germany-italy
MEDIUM RANGE AIR DEFENSE MISSILES china
MI-35 CHOPPERS Russia
PATROL BOATS poland
OFFSHORE PATROL CRAFTS china
ATGM spain
DRONES turkey

non of them was requested from USA . it seems pakistani forces learnt the lesson and now went out of us camp .

 

[Tshering22]

The US seriously needs to reconsider what it can or cannot sell to Pakistan. If India can purchase weapons from Russia, which is a Chinese ally, then I don't see any problems in selling Pakistan brand new (or even used) C-130s.

It isn't about comparison beyond a point. Unfortunately, the US only considers selling when they are not financing it with previously stalled allocation from the F-16 deals. Considering that quite a bit of Pakistani money is stuck from the previous F-16 deal, they will first have to iron out that cost (Pakistani members here can confirm whether they returned your money).

Pakistan at this point would be better off getting one of the following options, given that they are from neutral countries that do not come with strings attached and are within the operational requirements of the PAF conventional airlift capabilities:

Antonov An-178's 18 Tons VS C-130's 19 Tons

Embraer C-390's much more 26 tons

Anything else is much bigger and will require greater funding allocation, namely for Airbus A400M Atlas, Anotonov An-70, Ilyushin Il-476 (modernized), and the Kawasaki C-2.

 

[Super Falcon]

When we repkace our c 130 hercukes 40 yrs old

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

When we repkace our c 130 hercukes 40 yrs old

The C-130s are good until 2025-2030. If the PAF kicks off a project to replace the C-130s, it would probably start around 2030.

 

[Super Falcon]

The C-130s are good until 2025-2030. If the PAF kicks off a project to replace the C-130s, it would probably start around 2030.

What as u said they will retire by 2030 and start buying in 2030 do u understand 2 to three yrs needed to get then untill that soace of time with notransport aircrafts

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

What as u said they will retire by 2030 and start buying in 2030 do u understand 2 to three yrs needed to get then untill that soace of time with notransport aircrafts

The PAF could end up using the C-130s a few years more past 2030, even if the OEM says the C-130s won't go past 2025-2030. The PAF might try a service life extension project (SLEP) that could add a few hundred hours to some airframes.

Ultimately, the issue here is limited funding (the majority of which is going to fighter-related procurement). The PAF probably won't settle its main fighter needs until 2025-2027. So, any talk of a new transport would likely start around that time and start materializing in the 2030s. I expect the PAF will seek either new C-130J-30s or Embraer C-390s. The outlay for those is around $200-250 m per aircraft (including spare parts, logistics, training, etc).

I personally think the C-390 could be a good fit. It has a heavier payload capacity than the C-130J. Embraer designed the C-390 as a tanker from the onset, so there could be a chance at swapping the Cobham AAR pods with the UPAZ pods. The aircraft also uses the same engine type as the A320 (V2500). However, it's new and unproven. The PAF isn't going to touch it until it can thoroughly test it in Pakistan.

OTOH, the C-130J-30 is a proven beast. The saying, "only a Herc can replace a Herc" really means something as the majority of old C-130 users replaced their old aircraft with new versions. We already have a support base for the Rolls-Royce AE 2100 (via Saab 2000), giving us a starting point to take on the C-130J-30's requirements.

 

[SaadH]

Why not the obvious Y-9?

 

[MisterSyed]

Why not the obvious Y-9?

Way too Big, and not PAF type.

 

[JPMM]

The PAF could end up using the C-130s a few years more past 2030, even if the OEM says the C-130s won't go past 2025-2030. The PAF might try a service life extension project (SLEP) that could add a few hundred hours to some airframes.

Ultimately, the issue here is limited funding (the majority of which is going to fighter-related procurement). The PAF probably won't settle its main fighter needs until 2025-2027. So, any talk of a new transport would likely start around that time and start materializing in the 2030s. I expect the PAF will seek either new C-130J-30s or Embraer C-390s. The outlay for those is around $200-250 m per aircraft (including spare parts, logistics, training, etc).

I personally think the C-390 could be a good fit. It has a heavier payload capacity than the C-130J. Embraer designed the C-390 as a tanker from the onset, so there could be a chance at swapping the Cobham AAR pods with the UPAZ pods. The aircraft also uses the same engine type as the A320 (V2500). However, it's new and unproven. The PAF isn't going to touch it until it can thoroughly test it in Pakistan.

OTOH, the C-130J-30 is a proven beast. The saying, "only a Herc can replace a Herc" really means something as the majority of old C-130 users replaced their old aircraft with new versions. We already have a support base for the Rolls-Royce AE 2100 (via Saab 2000), giving us a starting point to take on the C-130J-30's requirements.

They will arrive here in mid-2023, then we will take it to the limits. They will land on the Madeira/Azores Islands with that Shity weather, they will land in the dusty CAR with no land support etc.

 

[SQ8]

They will arrive here in mid-2023, then we will take it to the limits. They will land on the Madeira/Azores Islands with that Shity weather, they will land in the dusty CAR with no land support etc.

The Js or the 390s?

 

[JPMM]

The Js or the 390s?

C390 Millenleum, the J is more than tested all around

 

[SQ8]

C390 Millenleum, the J is more than tested all around

Are the spaniards going for it?

 

[JPMM]

Are the spaniards going for it?

PORTUGUESE AIR FORCE will receive 5 aircraft starting in 2023, the aircraft are partialy built in PORTUGAL. The SPANISH AIR FORCE allready operate the A400M.

 

[SQ8]

PORTUGUESE AIR FORCE will receive 5 aircraft starting in 2023, the aircraft are partialy built in PORTUGAL. The SPANISH AIR FORCE allready operate the A400M.

The A-400 though is a slightly different weight class 37t payload and the 390 provides a pretty neat middle ground at 26-29t versus the J’s 20t.