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[fatman17]

A recent image (March 2019) indicated that first customer of JF-17B(M) (S/N 1707) turned out to be the Myanmar Air Force, which has been delivered to MAF.
- Last Updated 10/26/19

 

[ziaulislam]

Single JF17 capabilities = at least 2 if not 3 mirages and F7s. As per ACM statement no 1:1 replacement.

however ACM did say they wanted ~400 operational aircraft in recent interview..
182+76=~260..
still short of 140 ACs

 

[devil302]

Has anyone seen news about pak-turk joint venture in 5th gen aircraft that they would work together..
It was on news channels today atound 3pm

 

[The Eagle]

Has anyone seen news about pak-turk joint venture in 5th gen aircraft that they would work together..
It was on news channels today atound 3pm

There is no news until & unless you share details and try to find source/link of the same website.

Regards,

 

[HRK]

PAF Inter Squadron Armament Competition

 

[SABRE]

PAF Inter Squadron Armament Competition

F-16's sound was like "yeah, what ever!"

 

[fatman17]

JF-17 retains PAF’s top fighter slot at armament competition

By news desk

Oct.30,2019

Fighter pilots exhibit highest level of professionalism through pinpoint weapon delivery

PAC JF-17 Thunder combat aircraft, developed jointly with China, reaffirmed its position as the front line fighter of the Pakistan Air Force after displaying exceptional performance at PAF’s Inter-Squadron Armament Competition on Wednesday.

The most anticipated contest of the force’s operational year was held at Sonmiani firing range, said a statement issued by the PAF in Karachi.

The competition, which commenced on October 10, saw PAF fighter pilots from all weapon systems exhibiting highest level of professionalism through pinpoint weapon delivery. After a close competition, No 11 Multirole Squadron achieved highest score and was declared the winner of Inter-Squadron Armament Trophy.

The Best Armament Trophy (BAT), introduced for the first time in this year’s competition, was shared by No 2 and No 8 squadrons, while No 14 Squadron won the Maintenance Trophy.


Wing Commander Noman Akram was awarded the coveted Sher Afgan Trophy for being the best marksman in the competition.


All PAF Fighter Squadrons were evaluated for operational readiness and weapon system performance under the competitive environment. “The main highlight of the competition was exceptional performance by the JF-17 Thunder aircraft and it reaffirmed its position as the front line fighter of the PAF.”


Wing Commander Noman Akram being awarded the trophy. PHOTO: PAF

The closing ceremony of the contest was held at an operational air base. Chief of the Air Staff Air Chief Marshal Mujahid Anwar Khan was the chief guest of the ceremony.

Speaking on the occasion, the air chief said that PAF places highest premium on self-reliance through indigenisation alongside modernisation and expansion of existing combat capabilities. He added that PAF stands ever-ready for the aerial defence of motherland and has always responded to the nation’s call with full valour and commitment.

Commenting on the Kashmir situation, he said that, “We stand by our Kashmiri brethren in their just struggle for self-determination”. ACM Mujahid reiterated that the human atrocities must end immediately, adding that, “we are fully alive to the situation and cannot lower our guards”.

 

[khanasifm]

JF-17 retains PAF’s top fighter slot at armament competition

By news desk

Oct.30,2019

Fighter pilots exhibit highest level of professionalism through pinpoint weapon delivery

PAC JF-17 Thunder combat aircraft, developed jointly with China, reaffirmed its position as the front line fighter of the Pakistan Air Force after displaying exceptional performance at PAF’s Inter-Squadron Armament Competition on Wednesday.

The most anticipated contest of the force’s operational year was held at Sonmiani firing range, said a statement issued by the PAF in Karachi.

The competition, which commenced on October 10, saw PAF fighter pilots from all weapon systems exhibiting highest level of professionalism through pinpoint weapon delivery. After a close competition, No 11 Multirole Squadron achieved highest score and was declared the winner of Inter-Squadron Armament Trophy.

The Best Armament Trophy (BAT), introduced for the first time in this year’s competition, was shared by No 2 and No 8 squadrons, while No 14 Squadron won the Maintenance Trophy.


Wing Commander Noman Akram was awarded the coveted Sher Afgan Trophy for being the best marksman in the competition.


All PAF Fighter Squadrons were evaluated for operational readiness and weapon system performance under the competitive environment. “The main highlight of the competition was exceptional performance by the JF-17 Thunder aircraft and it reaffirmed its position as the front line fighter of the PAF.”


Wing Commander Noman Akram being awarded the trophy. PHOTO: PAF

The closing ceremony of the contest was held at an operational air base. Chief of the Air Staff Air Chief Marshal Mujahid Anwar Khan was the chief guest of the ceremony.

Speaking on the occasion, the air chief said that PAF places highest premium on self-reliance through indigenisation alongside modernisation and expansion of existing combat capabilities. He added that PAF stands ever-ready for the aerial defence of motherland and has always responded to the nation’s call with full valour and commitment.

Commenting on the Kashmir situation, he said that, “We stand by our Kashmiri brethren in their just struggle for self-determination”. ACM Mujahid reiterated that the human atrocities must end immediately, adding that, “we are fully alive to the situation and cannot lower our guards”.






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So f-16, mirage and jf-17 sqn won something and nothing for f-7 sqn , also in the past even no 1 sqn with k-8 go for missile firing camps not sure if it was part of this competition as k-8 has a War time role

 

[RAMPAGE]

The PAF has managed some pretty significant accomplishments in recent years. Things one can do when one isn't occupied with moral policing, especially that of the political nature. Other institutions may want to follow PAF's example.

 

[messiach]

That's a strong engine.

The JF-17BBC0001 prototype conducted its maiden flight on April 27, 2017. The JF-17B 02 prototype flew for the first time on December 7, 2017. Currently the 01 prototype (17-601) is conducting test flights at PAC with the pitot tube removed from the nose. The 03 prototype conducted its maiden flight on August 3rd, 2018. 26 were reportedly ordered by PAF, with the initial delivery in 2019 (starting 19-604?). A recent rumor (November 2018) suggested that an EW variant (JF-17E?) has been proposed.
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[The Eagle]

That's a strong engine.

One can imagine by looking at output/heat but are you suggesting other than existing RD-93? Just curious by the gist of your post.

 

[fatman17]

The National Interest

The JF-17 Fighter Shows How China Will Help Pakistan Fight Off India


November 3, 2019 Topic: Security Blog

by Charlie Gao

Key point: The global arms market meets the world's most dangerous hot zone.


The 2019 India-Pakistan border skirmish resulted in major shake-ups within the Indian Air Force (IAF). The most accepted narrative, that of a loss of an IAF MiG-21 Bison to no losses of the Pakistan Air Force bodes poorly for the IAF. But interestingly, according to a July interview, the skirmish marked one of the first “hot” use of Pakistan’s new Chinese JF-17 “Thunder” fighters.



The JF-17 is a relatively new single-engine fighter, meant to compete against other light fighters like the F-16, Gripen, and MiG-29 for export contracts. As the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) is the only large user, most solid information about the aircraft is from Chinese marketing documents. But the July interview gives one pilot’s opinion on how the JF-17 stacks up against most common adversaries, from Sukhois to F-16s.

The extent of the JF-17’s “hot” usage following the border skirmish was in patrols near the border. In some incidents, the pilot said that during these patrols, he was getting radar lock-on Su-30MKIs at ranges in excess of 100 kilometers.

However, this doesn’t mean that a JF-17 could kill with a missile at that range. The JF-17’s primary beyond-visual-range (BVR) armament is the PL-12 missile, which is still undergoing integration (as of February 2019). During the actual border air skirmish, PAF F-16s lobbed AIM-120C-5 AMRAAM missiles at similar ranges, which forced IAF aircraft to go defensive to dodge the missiles, but no kills were scored. As the PL-12 is said to have a similar range to the AMRAAM, it’s likely that its kinematic performance at range is similar, and it too wouldn’t be able to score a kill.


But if the JF-17 allows the pilot to “lob” a missile at planes at such ranges, it still might be a step ahead of the IAF’s Su-30MKIs. According to an NDTV report, the Russian R-77 missiles cannot engage targets past 80 km.

Despite the Su-30’s missile limitations, the JF-17 pilot said that the Su-30 was one of the most formidable threats the PAF faces. This is likely due to the strong engines and maneuvering capability of the Su-30, which allows it to recover energy quickly after maneuvering and makes it hard to shoot down in a within visual range (WVR) engagement.

Interestingly, the pilot then goes onto state that he’s not that afraid of the Su-30 because he’s trained against F-16s with AMRAAMs, which he thinks is a far superior missile. The pilot also states that the MICA on the Mirage is also a significant threat.

This suggests that the pilot probably thinks that the fight will be largely decided, or largely influenced by the BVR stage of the engagement and that the JF-17’s capabilities in that arena are competitive to the F-16 and Mirage. However, the pilot does say that the JF-17’s limited BVR loadout is its main weakness, as most models of the JF-17 can only carry four BVR missiles, compared to the Su-30MKI which can carry eight or more.

The pilot also gives good marks to the JF-17 for reliability, flight characteristics, and maintenance. As the JF-17 is one of China’s “clean slate” designs, this bodes well for the reliability characteristics of the current generation of Chinese aircraft. However, the JF-17 still uses a Russian engine, and the PAF rejected offers to use Chinese engines in their JF-17s in 2015. Engines remain a critical weakness in the Chinese aerospace industry.

Charlie Gao studied political and computer science at Grinnell College and is a frequent commentator on defense and national-security issues. This article originally appeared earlier this year and is being republished due to reader interest.

Image: Wikipedia.

 

[Roller321321]

According to that article it would seem that if a Block 3 JF-17 fires a PL-15 around 100kms(or upto 200kms)of range, not only would the JF be quite safe considering the Russian R-77 isn't effective after 80kms, the Sukhoi would have a harder time out maneuvering the PL-15 as the missile will have plenty of juice left.

It seems that the Sukhois will not be nearly as intimidating after the integration of PL-15s and AESA, is the writer missing out on some things or am I?

The article also talks about missile limitations on the SU, surely an air superiority platform would be able to fire better BVR missiles, why didn't they mention it in the article, does India not have any longer range Russian missiles?

 

[khanasifm]

Did you know that missile range depends heavily on the altitude of the launching aircraft (and its target)? A missile launched at sea level may only have one-third the range of a missile launched at 40,000ft, where the thinner air causes less drag and improves rocket thrust.

 

[khanasifm]

https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/g2323/greatest-flying-aces/