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[The Eagle]

Kindly spare this place from unsubstantiated news & social media sensational rumors.

 

[Windjammer]

No exchange pilots from USAF on F-6. In this case that's a Navy Tomcat driver who flew an orientation sortie.

Dude all i said was that he may be an exchange pilot, never even mentioned the F-6.
An RAF visitor went up in an F-7 for a familiarization flight, doesn't mean that he was attached to an F-7 unit.

 

[Raider 21]

Dude all i said was that he may be an exchange pilot, never even mentioned the F-6.
An RAF visitor went up in an F-7 for a familiarization flight, doesn't mean that he was attached to an F-7 unit.

Dude look up what an exchange pilot is.

 

[Windjammer]

Dude look up what an exchange pilot is.

I know exactly what it means dear,however this is what you implied.....No exchange pilots from USAF on F-6.

 

[Raider 21]

I know exactly what it means dear,however this is what you implied.....No exchange pilots from USAF on F-6.

Then I'll add a little bit more. No exchange pilots from USA with PAF. Hope that clears the confusion.

Cheers!!!

 

[fatman17]

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PAC Kamra rolls out its first locally overhauled JF-17 Thunder aircraft
Alan Warnes, Prague - Jane's Defence Weekly
03 October 2019



The first JF-17 Thunder multirole combat aircraft overhauled in Pakistan was rolled out during a ceremony held on 26 September at the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) Kamra. The move comes nearly 10 years after the first JF-17, which was jointly developed by China and Pakistan, rolled off the production line there.

The Pakistan Air Force (PAF's) Chief of Air Staff, Air Chief Marshal Mujahid Anwar Khan, said during the ceremony: "We are living in a technology-intensive world, where self-reliance and indigenisation are key to effectively addressing modern challenges. [The] PAF has been relentlessly pursuing these goals and has now achieved this remarkable capability".

Work on the JF-17 maintenance repair and overhaul (MRO) project has been under way since 2017. The chief engineer of JF-17 MRO, a wing commander who did not want to be named, had told Jane's in April, "We have been overhauling Chinese aircraft for the past few decades, so we took the initiative and developed our own JF-17 overhaul facility here in the Aircraft Repair Factory [ARF]."

"We developed the overhaul package, but to have it validated by the Chinese we sent two, effectively pattern aircraft to Changsha, in China during 2017," he added. Changsha is the 5712 Aircraft Industry Co., which operates under state-owned Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC).

Around the same time, the ARF started working on two JF-17s, in tandem with the two aircraft in China, with the wing commander stressing that "we carried out all the work here ourselves using our own procedures".

The two jets overhauled in China were back at PAC Kamra by April, when the ARF was working on a third aircraft. There are plans for five more aircraft to be overhauled at the factory in 2019, and a new hangar currently under construction will open next year, allowing 20 aircraft to be overhauled in 2020.

The PAC in Kamra rolled out the first overhauled JF-17 aircraft in a ceremony held on 26 September. (Pakistan Air Force)

 

[litman]

did they just overhaul the older jet or upgraded it to block 2 standards as well?

 

[Windjammer]

This was the time when PAF F-16s repeatedly beat the Italian Typhoons during an exercise.

 

[GriffinsRule]

This was the time when PAF F-16s repeatedly beat the Italian Typhoons during an exercise.

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What were the ROEs involved?

 

[Windjammer]

What were the ROEs involved?

PAF seldom boasts or gives out such details, the news was actually reported by Alan Warnes.

 

[GriffinsRule]

PAF seldom boasts or gives out such details, the news was actually reported by Alan Warnes.

Yes I have read that issue and clearly a proud feeling =). The reason I was asking is so that new readers don't start thinking we are invincible somehow against IAF. Those non-MLU Block 15s of the time would have been taken out at BVR ranges in a realistic scenario by the Typhoons using AIM-120.
In the pre-BVR era PAF's focus had been WVR combat and that is what they extensively trained for and were thus very good at. I believe you get better by playing/training against a better opponent. Italian Air Force probably learned some good lessons and valuable takeaways from that exercise in regards to dogfights. I am sure PAF learned something as well outside of WVR engagements. Win-win for everyone involved.

 

[Raider 21]

Yes I have read that issue and clearly a proud feeling =). The reason I was asking is so that new readers don't start thinking we are invincible somehow against IAF. Those non-MLU Block 15s of the time would have been taken out at BVR ranges in a realistic scenario by the Typhoons using AIM-120.
In the pre-BVR era PAF's focus had been WVR combat and that is what they extensively trained for and were thus very good at. I believe you get better by playing/training against a better opponent. Italian Air Force probably learned some good lessons and valuable takeaways from that exercise in regards to dogfights. I am sure PAF learned something as well outside of WVR engagements. Win-win for everyone involved.

It was a win-win for both. PAF learned a lot especially with the BVR phase, hence the fruition of that was seen on Feb 27th, 2019. Exercises are always mutually beneficial.

 

[alee92nawaz]

Yes I have read that issue and clearly a proud feeling =). The reason I was asking is so that new readers don't start thinking we are invincible somehow against IAF. Those non-MLU Block 15s of the time would have been taken out at BVR ranges in a realistic scenario by the Typhoons using AIM-120.
In the pre-BVR era PAF's focus had been WVR combat and that is what they extensively trained for and were thus very good at. I believe you get better by playing/training against a better opponent. Italian Air Force probably learned some good lessons and valuable takeaways from that exercise in regards to dogfights. I am sure PAF learned something as well outside of WVR engagements. Win-win for everyone involved.

Feb 27th was a BVR shootout. What about wvr engagement of F-16s and JF-17s against indian migs mirages and sukhois. How will that pan out? Any thoughts?

 

[loanranger]

Feb 27th was a BVR shootout. What about wvr engagement of F-16s and JF-17s against indian migs mirages and sukhois. How will that pan out? Any thoughts?

It wont be pretty if a JF 17 gets in wvr with a skilled Su30 pilot.

 

[Viper27]

It wont be pretty if a JF 17 gets in wvr with a skilled Su30 pilot.

JF-17 is more than capable of taking out a Sukhoi in both WVR and BVR modes.