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[CriticalThought]

it would be impossible to shoot a battle blastic missle or all of aircatfts..there aretoo many delivery systems and which side its gpinf to shoot..

Sir, it doesn't mean they will not try damage control to the extent possible, and it doesn't mean they won't have the technology to do so. As we increase our capabilities, so does the enemy. I would plan with the expectation of going against the following combatants at least:

India
America
Australia

 

[Armchair]

India will deploy at least a carrier battle group's strength in the Arabian Sea. And to protect it, they will leave no stone unturned. From space based assets to ship based Sam, it will be a veritable killing field. More than aerial assets, sub surface combatants will have a higher chance on survival.

And what people completely fail to realize is that the next war will be fought with complete American backing to India. I expect America to try to enforce a non nuclear mandate by stationing Arleigh-Burke class ships and shooting down nukes. Then there is the Indian base in Oman to take into account.

All in all, you get a 0 out of 10 in your analysis.

You're giving MK, a legend on PDF 0 out of 10. Handing out these meaningless posts with ad hominems. I notice you've done the same to @gambit and I haven't seen him since. A sad day for PDF because he was a real asset. You should learn to contribute constructively or to keep silent. Learn from your elders.

 

[ghazi52]

Glass Squash court in PAF museum , Karachi.

 

[Tank131]

The imbalanced nature of the quantity amd quality between IAD and IN is exactly why I have advocated for the existance of a small strategic bomber force for PAF made of H-6K and an expanded ASW aircraft for PN by introducing Y-8Gx6(Q).

They would be used missile trucks and in the H-6Ks case, wouls likely be able to launch strikes using air launched CMs (specifically air launched variants of Babur) on india while sitting deep within Pakistan comfortably behind PAF SAMs and fighters and vectored away from threats by AWACs. Each is capable of carrying 6-8 CMs and could overwhelm IAF Fobs or SAM positions. In conjunction with UCAVs they could be the spear point for PAFs strike endeavors.
The Y-8 Is capable of carrying 4-6 CM-400AKG. At MACH 4-5 they could likely penetrate IN CBG defenses with these missiles.

 

[CriticalThought]

You're giving MK, a legend on PDF 0 out of 10. Handing out these meaningless posts with ad hominems. I notice you've done the same to @gambit and I haven't seen him since. A sad day for PDF because he was a real asset. You should learn to contribute constructively or to keep silent. Learn from your elders.

I am giving him -10 and it will be good riddance as far as MastanKhan is concerned. Now stay on topic.

 

[MastanKhan]

it would be impossible to shoot a battle blastic missle or all of aircatfts..there aretoo many delivery systems and which side its gpinf to shoot..

Hi,

if you have a little time---share a scenario---or maybe just a little more detail in what you want to say---.

 

[Armchair]

The imbalanced nature of the quantity amd quality between IAD and IN is exactly why I have advocated for the existance of a small strategic bomber force for PAF made of H-6K and an expanded ASW aircraft for PN by introducing Y-8Gx6(Q).

They would be used missile trucks and in the H-6Ks case, wouls likely be able to launch strikes using air launched CMs (specifically air launched variants of Babur) on india while sitting deep within Pakistan comfortably behind PAF SAMs and fighters and vectored away from threats by AWACs. Each is capable of carrying 6-8 CMs and could overwhelm IAF Fobs or SAM positions. In conjunction with UCAVs they could be the spear point for PAFs strike endeavors.
The Y-8 Is capable of carrying 4-6 CM-400AKG. At MACH 4-5 they could likely penetrate IN CBG defenses with these missiles.

Interesting idea, but PAF would already have its hands full against a larger, more technologically advanced enemy. To surrender scarce resources for "line backers" AND invest in protecting them, that's going to be quite a problem, IMHO.

You could just launch those same cruise missiles from the ground. But keep thinking, we can only get better the more we think about issues constructively.

 

[Mir Shahzain]

On May 28 2010, Pakistan successfully launched production of avionics and other important gadgets for JF-17 Thunder fighter jets at Pakistan Aeronautical Complex #PAC #Kamra, #Pakistan.
#JF17 Thunder is developed by #Chengdu Aircraft Industry Corporation under a JV btw Pakistan and#China

 

[Tank131]

Interesting idea, but PAF would already have its hands full against a larger, more technologically advanced enemy. To surrender scarce resources for "line backers" AND invest in protecting them, that's going to be quite a problem, IMHO.

You could just launch those same cruise missiles from the ground. But keep thinking, we can only get better the more we think about issues constructively.

The problem of launching Babur from the ground is mostly range. A ground launched Babur has a range of 700km. Now the issue is u cant exactly keep that on the boarderas it will be taken out by IAF air strike or IA artillery. So most likely, the reach of the missilenwill be more in the league of 500km into India (likely sitting around 200km inside Pakistan for protection). The advantage of developing a air launched Babur is the huge leap in range whem launching such a weapon from altitude (likely in the ramge of 1000-1400km) While Ra'ad is mean mostly for launch from fighters, Babur is too large for such delivery. The reason it is worth spending money on say 6-10 bombers that could be equipped with Babur is that they become force multipliers on a massive scale.

They can sit deep inside Pakistan, behind layers of fighters, SAMs and umder the protective eyes of AWACS and protect fighters from being taken out over Pakistan by S400s and its 400km range (allowing it to hit aircraft deep inside Pakistan). It will also preserve the fighters by limiting the number of IAF Fighters they will have to face. By launching CM strikes on FOBs of India, they will push the IAF fighters back to bases deeper inside India. They will likely take out a number of fighters on the ground as well. IAF will have to fly further to get to the frontline and will have to fly further to get home. This decreases time spent in the theater and increases reliance on aerial tankers which themselves would become targets of PAF SAMs and fighters (looking at a future JF-17 Blk 3 with PL-15). All this hampers IAFs ability to turn over fighters amd decreases the number of sorties they can launch limiting the number of fighter and strike aircraft the IAF can send against the PAF. 2 Bombers with 6-8 missiles could likely overrun an IAF FOB or SAM battery.

 

[Armchair]

Well, instead of spending all that money on bombers, and pilots, pilot training, maintenance,.... why not develop a longer range CM? I've heard they have managed to extend the Babur's range already.

 

[fatman17]

Sir Asim Suleman who did Simulated Attack on USN Carrier and Buzzed on it's deck during "Inspired Alert 1995".
When USS CVN-72 commander said it's defences can't be breached, this guy proved him wrong by mocking Exocet attack via his Mirage. https://t.co/xM9awZqwga

 

[Tank131]

Well, instead of spending all that money on bombers, and pilots, pilot training, maintenance,.... why not develop a longer range CM? I've heard they have managed to extend the Babur's range already.

Sure... Only why haven't they? When Pakistan can make 2700km ballistic missilez, why can they increase the ramge of babur to 1000+km. My only guess is they have no capacity to do so (no access to capable rocket motors), or a lack of motivation to do so.

 

[ziaulislam]

The imbalanced nature of the quantity amd quality between IAD and IN is exactly why I have advocated for the existance of a small strategic bomber force for PAF made of H-6K and an expanded ASW aircraft for PN by introducing Y-8Gx6(Q).

They would be used missile trucks and in the H-6Ks case, wouls likely be able to launch strikes using air launched CMs (specifically air launched variants of Babur) on india while sitting deep within Pakistan comfortably behind PAF SAMs and fighters and vectored away from threats by AWACs. Each is capable of carrying 6-8 CMs and could overwhelm IAF Fobs or SAM positions. In conjunction with UCAVs they could be the spear point for PAFs strike endeavors.
The Y-8 Is capable of carrying 4-6 CM-400AKG. At MACH 4-5 they could likely penetrate IN CBG defenses with these missiles.

will be flying ducks with lack of escort which PAF doesnt has(just 176 4th gen fighters vs 500+ of IAF/IN)

aand hence investment in land based systems

 

[MastanKhan]

Well, instead of spending all that money on bombers, and pilots, pilot training, maintenance,.... why not develop a longer range CM? I've heard they have managed to extend the Babur's range already.

Hi,

CM sites are fixed---their direction is predictable---.

Air launched is the best option---

 

[Armchair]

Hi,

CM sites are fixed---their direction is predictable---.

Air launched is the best option---

Interesting point.

Sure... Only why haven't they? When Pakistan can make 2700km ballistic missilez, why can they increase the ramge of babur to 1000+km. My only guess is they have no capacity to do so (no access to capable rocket motors), or a lack of motivation to do so.

We don't know the classified ranges or projects. We can't say "they haven't" with any level of certainty.

Nor do we know about what their requirements are, war doctrine is... i.e. do they think they need it?