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Leonardo offers radar and avionics package to Pakistan

Sir can u pls compare specs of Vixen 1000E and KLJ 7A?
Both may compete in future integration on block 3

 

[fatman17]

Industry

Turkey signs deal for 52 Pakistani Super Mushshak training aircraft

Farhan Bokhari, Karachi and Gabriel Dominguez, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly

24 November 2016

Pakistan has secured a deal for the sale of 52 MFI-17 Super Mushshak military training aircraft to the Turkish Air Force, according to officials.

Turkey has signed a deal with Pakistan for the procurement of 52 Super Mushshak training aircraft. (PAC)

Representatives of the state-owned Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC), which announced the deal, and the Turkish government signed the contract on 23 November on the sidelines of the International Defence Exhibition and Seminar (IDEAS) that is held every two years in the southern Pakistani city of Karachi.

Although the value of the contract was not revealed, a foreign military delegate attending this year's exhibition said that each unit could probably cost over USD2 million.

The Super Mushshak is a PAC licence-built version of the Saab MFI-17 Supporter aircraft, which is usually the first platform used for training air force cadets.

Around 46 of these trainers are currently in service with the Pakistan Air Force (PAF), with the first one being commissioned around the year 2000, according to IHS Jane's World Air Forces.

In addition to the PAF, the aircraft has been acquired by the air forces of Iran, Iraq, Oman, and Saudi Arabia. The trainer is also on order with Nigeria.

In 2015 officials of Pakistan's Ministry of Defence (MoD) announced that Turkey had donated 34 of its Cessna T-37 trainers to the PAF in a move that appears to have strengthened defence relations between the two countries.

An MoD official said that the latest deal with Turkey "will further solidify our existing brotherly ties". As IHS Jane'sreported in July these strong defence industrial ties between the two countries are framed by a long-standing High Level Military Dialogue Group, under which is a working group dedicated to facilitating technology transfers and defence industry co-operation.

For instance, Pakistan has turned to Turkey in the past to modernise naval platforms and upgrade some of its US-made Lockheed Martin F-16 fighters.

 

[fatman17]

USD104 MILL deal is a great deal. Such deals will open avenues for JF17 also.

 

[khanasifm]

No news or details on Nigeria and jf ?????

 

[fatman17]

No news or details on Nigeria and jf ?????

initially 10 Super Mushshak and 3 JF17 are confirmed earlier.

Is it time for PAF to evaluate the J16.

Sir can u pls compare specs of Vixen 1000E and KLJ 7A?
Both may compete in future integration on block 3

I'm not an expert but the VIXEN e-scan series are supposedly superior than the APG series from the US. Selex-Gallelio / Leonardo are quite advanced in this area so I'm assuming that it would probably be superior to the Chinese KLJ7 series. the main point is what does the PAF think. historically PAF have preferred western radar and avionic suites but the Chinese are clearly closing this gap.

 

[AsifIjaz]

Hi,

What difference does it make about the term---So you are saying " mitti Pauo "---.

You are free to deduce what you think is right or what you think should be the way forward. I merely wanted the forum to remain civil. I will not get into a discussion to prove my point or even to try to hammer in my message. enough said.
back to topic....

 

[fatman17]

Pakistan has apparently developed it's own indigenous radar. also supplied to Jordan.
Any further information or news?

 

[khanasifm]

IDEAS 2016 and PAF

 

[fatman17]

Middle East & North Africa

The governments of Pakistan and Turkey have signed an agreement to supply 52 Super Mushshak basic trainers for the Turkish military. Signatories on the deal were Air Marshal Arshad Malik, Chairman Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC), and Mustafa Seker, Deputy Undersecretary Turkish Ministry of Defense Industry. Delivery is expected by 2019 and comes with a $50 million price tag.

 

[fatman17]

Middle East & North Africa

The governments of Pakistan and Turkey have signed an agreement to supply 52 Super Mushshak basic trainers for the Turkish military. Signatories on the deal were Air Marshal Arshad Malik, Chairman Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC), and Mustafa Seker, Deputy Undersecretary Turkish Ministry of Defense Industry. Delivery is expected by 2019 and comes with a $50 million price tag.

The actual cost of mushshak is roughly 2m $, however price reduced to pay for T37 gift from Turkey.

 

[fatman17]

PL-12G

It was first rumored in 2011 that 607 Institute wasdeveloping the nextgeneration of active radar homing LRAAM dubbed PL-15 which is comparable to American AIM-120D. The missile was later identified as a PL-12variant (PL-12G?) which might have evolved from the earlier PL-12C design. PL-12G features redesigned stabilizing fins and tail control fins with smaller wingspans in order to fit into the internal weapon bay of J-20.The missile also has a new a dual pulse rocket motor which extends its range to 200km. Its two-way datalink and a new active/passive dual mode AESA seeker onboard will give it an excellent ECCM capability against severe jamming. A PL-12Gprototype was first seen underneath the wing of a J-11B in 2012. In 2013 PL-12G was first seen inside J-20's main internal weapon bay during its weapon integration tests. It was reported by US intelligence that PL-12G was successfully test-fired in 2015. The latest image (November 2016) suggested that PL-12G can also be carried by the J-10B/C series.

- Last Updated 11/27/16

 

[Naif al Hilali]

PL-12G

It was first rumored in 2011 that 607 Institute wasdeveloping the nextgeneration of active radar homing LRAAM dubbed PL-15 which is comparable to American AIM-120D. The missile was later identified as a PL-12variant (PL-12G?) which might have evolved from the earlier PL-12C design. PL-12G features redesigned stabilizing fins and tail control fins with smaller wingspans in order to fit into the internal weapon bay of J-20.The missile also has a new a dual pulse rocket motor which extends its range to 200km. Its two-way datalink and a new active/passive dual mode AESA seeker onboard will give it an excellent ECCM capability against severe jamming. A PL-12Gprototype was first seen underneath the wing of a J-11B in 2012. In 2013 PL-12G was first seen inside J-20's main internal weapon bay during its weapon integration tests. It was reported by US intelligence that PL-12G was successfully test-fired in 2015. The latest image (November 2016) suggested that PL-12G can also be carried by the J-10B/C series.

- Last Updated 11/27/16

Bismillah ir Rahman ar Raheem

Thanks for the great share brother.

Any pictures of the PL-12G available on the web? Can't seem to find any.

It seems the Pl-12D et. al. will be no-shows - US seems to be moving to dual-pulse and away from ramjets also.

On an aside, gambit must be having a heart-attack on the passive AESA bit, right about now.

Thanks again.

 

[khanasifm]

50 million discount to pay for 34 t37 does not add up, pak paid 25/30 million for 45-50 mirage in 90s

 

[syed zia Hassan]

we made a sound fighter jet JF-17...but why not a Transport air craft ..Like C-130 ?

 

[fatman17]

Africa

The Nigerian Air Force has announced that they have refurbished 13 aircraft, some of which have returned to active duty putting down an insurgency led by the jihadist group, Boko Haram. In addition, ten more aircraft will be added to their fleet , including four new Mi-35N attack helicopters, at least three ex-Brazilian Air Force Super Tucanos, and three JF-17 Thunders from Pakistan. This will add to a recent order of Super Mushshak trainers and a soon to be completed refurbishment program of older helicopters and light aircraft to carry out surveillance and counter-insurgency missions.