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[fatman17]

JF-17 Thunder: Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) has said it will open up to allow the private defense sector to participate in programs such as the JF-17 Thunder fighter and Super Mushshak trainer. As well as looking for new design and development programs for upgrades to the aircraft, PAC is also entertaining the possibility of allowing collaboration on the manufacture of propulsion and industrial gas turbines. Benefits of opening up the domestic industry include using public funds that otherwise would have gone abroad as domestic stimulus and making it easier for foreign vendors to pick private firms in matters involving sensitive technology intellectual property, which could make transfer-of-technology and expertise easier to negotiate.

 

[fatman17]

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[fatman17]

PAF holds seminar titled ‘Air Power Application in Modern Era’

• Islamabad

November 10, 2016 BY INP

A two-day International Seminar on Air Power (ISAP) with a theme ‘Air Power Application in Modern Era’ commenced under the auspices of Pakistan Air Force (PAF) at Nur Khan Auditorium Air Headquarters Islamabad on Thursday.

Chief of the Air Staff PAF Air Chief Marshal Sohail Aman attended the opening session of the seminar. PAF’s former air chiefs, senior serving and retired PAF officers, Pakistan-based, foreign defence/air attaches and notables from various educational institutions attended the seminar.

Speakers and observers from different allied countries and PAF shared their views in the seminar on contemporary issues related to air power.

While delivering the inaugural address on the occasion, the air chief said, “The air power today enjoys credibility and importance more than any other time in its history. This glorious position owes much to the breathtaking pace of technology advance. The air power, irrespective of the type of the conflict and place of conflict, tends to accomplish the given set of objectives with the efficiency, economy and more importantly, without exposure of large number of ground forces to the enemy fire.

The main challenge for the air power is to continue to adjust to its ever expanding role in the security of a nation. The spectrum of conflict is constantly expanding, and being exploited most optimally by enemies who belong to both traditional and non-traditional categories.

The air power with its basic characteristics emerges as the best option in the most areas of the spectrum. Its unique attributes and capabilities provide a wide range of opportunities for application in all forms of warfare.

Speakers from allied Air Forces of Turkey, Italy, Australia, Nigeria, UK, USA, China, France, South Africa and Jordan delivered lectures and presentations during the ISAP.

The fundamental purpose of the interactive forum of ISAP is to provide opportunities to the participants about mutual learning, awareness and understanding of defence issues and especially the use of air power in irregular warfare.

The seminar would offer an excellent opportunity to augment diplomatic relations, military ties and cooperation between allied countries.

 

[fatman17]

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[niaz]

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Even if we assume Turkey to be in Europe; China, Japan, South Korea and India are ahead of Pakistan in the aviation field. We are No. 5 in Asia.

 

[syed_yusuf]

Even we assume Turkey to be in Europe; China, Japan, South Korea and India are ahead of Pakistan in the aviation field. We are No. 5 in Asia.

What about Israel and Indonesia ? did y u forget them.

 

[niaz]

What about Israel and Indonesia ? did y u forget them.

I consider Israel an Occidental country. IMO Indonesia is at par with Pakistan. Whereas the post in Urdu in the opening line declares that we are No 2 in Asia.

 

[Tank131]

In what world is Indonesia at the level of PAF? They have 16 Su-30mkk-1and 36 F-16s (A/B/C/D block15OCU and Block 52) and 15 T-50. Numbers alone done allow it to be equivalent to PAF

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

In what world is Indonesia at the level of PAF? They have 16 Su-30mkk-1and 36 F-16s (A/B/C/D block15OCU and Block 52) and 15 T-50. Numbers alone done allow it to be equivalent to PAF

I think they were referring to the aviation industry. Indonesia did get in on the local manufacturing scene earlier via the CN-235, but they're real fixed-wing fighter push is the KFX. Still many years out before it comes to fruition, but with a near $1.5b investment up front, could be feeding into their expertise pool quite well.

 

[mrrehan]

News Asia-Pacific:

1. Thailand to buy 12 JAS-39C/D Gripens and 2 Saab Eri-eye AEW systems for US 1.08 Billion. Gripens will replace the ageing F-5E/Fs of the RTAF. the Lockheed-Martin F-16 and the Sukhoi SU-30 were also short-listed before settling on the Gripen.

2. More details emerge on secretive chinese WZ-10 attack helicopter:
powered by two 1,531 shp P&WC PT6C-67C turbo shaft engines with Full Authority Digital Engine Control(FADEC). although some sources suggest that up to eight trials WZ-10s may now have been built, only three flying prototypes have been confirmed. (Z10-01, 02 and 03). maiden flights on April 23, 2003. in 2001 China asked Denal to purchase one helicopter (Rooivalk) suggesting it was to be used for reverse engineering and therefore the sales was blocked.weapons planned for the WZ-10 appear to be largely indigeneous like the new HJ-10 ATGM and older TY-90 SRAAMs.

3.India finalises plans for 40 more SU-30MKIs:
clearence has been given for the US $ 1.6 Billion deal to purchase 40 SU-30MKIs from Russia for the IAF. the additional 40 SU-30MKIs will give the IAF a fleet of 230 SU-30MKIs. the indian govt has asked HAL to complete the delivery of these aircraft by 2013-14 instead of the originally planned 2016-17

4. HAL to upgrade IN Sea-Kings:
clearence has been given to upgrade 18 of the IN Seaking 42/42B ASW helicopters under a $ 200 mill programme. IN originally purchased 43 Seakings but were grounded due to sanctions imposed after the 1998 nuclear tests.

5. Pakistan takes over Bell 412EPs:

already reported in land forces section.

Thanks for info sir

 

[khanasifm]

PIA has a fleet of 38 narrow-body and wide-body Airbus and Boeing jets, Ahmed said, with three A310s to be retired on Dec. 31.

May be 12 sqn pi k them up if there is some.life left ???

 

[mrrehan]

Even if we assume Turkey to be in Europe; China, Japan, South Korea and India are ahead of Pakistan in the aviation field. We are No. 5 in Asia.

We have experience of designing, modifying and making 3 aircraft now where drones are a separate chapter as well as the rebuilding various aircraft . Can you please point out the development of Indian aviation in the same times pane and if you could tell us what they have achieve in aviation that still we are unable to.

 

[niaz]

We have experience of designing, modifying and making 3 aircraft now where drones are a separate chapter as well as the rebuilding various aircraft . Can you please point out the development of Indian aviation in the same times pane and if you could tell us what they have achieve in aviation that still we are unable to.

Hon sir,

I am not Indian nor am I mouth piece of Indian aviation industry. However, having retired for the last 7 years, I do surf and read a lot. I am also a realist and do not believe in underestimating my enemies. I believe India is far ahead of Pakistan in aviation, space & rocket technology because::

First Indian made trainer Marut flew in 1961. India had started assembling Mig -21’s during the 1960’s. India launched her first satellite “Aryabhata” in April 1975. Indian made helicopter Dhruv was flying in 1992 and Indian aero engine Kaveri has been in production since 1996.

For a cursory read suggest the following links:

https://honeywell.com/country/in/About/Pages/Aero_India.aspx

http://www.aviation-defence-univers...-launches-indias-weather-satellite-insat-3dr/

http://www.indiastrategic.in/India_...ch_Vehicle-Technology_Demonstrator_RLV-TD.htm

http://www.sciencealert.com/india-just-broke-a-record-by-launching-20-satellites-in-one-mission

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-11-01/why-america-needs-india-s-rockets

http://www.army-technology.com/feat...an-cooperation-in-defence-technology-4872830/

https://sputniknews.com/military/201607011042280477-india-aircraft-video/


However, should you still insist on believing that Pakistan in No.2 in Asia in the aviation field; I for one am not going to stop you.

 

[mrrehan]

Hon sir,

I am not Indian nor am I mouth piece of Indian aviation industry. However, having retired for the last 7 years, I do surf and read a lot. I am also a realist and do not believe in underestimating my enemies. I believe India is far ahead of Pakistan in aviation, space & rocket technology because::

First Indian made trainer Marut flew in 1961. India had started assembling Mig -21’s during the 1960’s. India launched her first satellite “Aryabhata” in April 1975. Indian made helicopter Dhruv was flying in 1992 and Indian aero engine Kaveri has been in production since 1996.

For a cursory read suggest the following links:

https://honeywell.com/country/in/About/Pages/Aero_India.aspx

http://www.aviation-defence-univers...-launches-indias-weather-satellite-insat-3dr/

http://www.indiastrategic.in/India_...ch_Vehicle-Technology_Demonstrator_RLV-TD.htm

http://www.sciencealert.com/india-just-broke-a-record-by-launching-20-satellites-in-one-mission

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-11-01/why-america-needs-india-s-rockets

http://www.army-technology.com/feat...an-cooperation-in-defence-technology-4872830/

https://sputniknews.com/military/201607011042280477-india-aircraft-video/


However, should you still insist on believing that Pakistan in No.2 in Asia in the aviation field; I for one am not going to stop you.

Hon sir,

I am not Indian nor am I mouth piece of Indian aviation industry. However, having retired for the last 7 years, I do surf and read a lot. I am also a realist and do not believe in underestimating my enemies. I believe India is far ahead of Pakistan in aviation, space & rocket technology because::

First Indian made trainer Marut flew in 1961. India had started assembling Mig -21’s during the 1960’s. India launched her first satellite “Aryabhata” in April 1975. Indian made helicopter Dhruv was flying in 1992 and Indian aero engine Kaveri has been in production since 1996.

For a cursory read suggest the following links:

https://honeywell.com/country/in/About/Pages/Aero_India.aspx

http://www.aviation-defence-univers...-launches-indias-weather-satellite-insat-3dr/

http://www.indiastrategic.in/India_...ch_Vehicle-Technology_Demonstrator_RLV-TD.htm

http://www.sciencealert.com/india-just-broke-a-record-by-launching-20-satellites-in-one-mission

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-11-01/why-america-needs-india-s-rockets

http://www.army-technology.com/feat...an-cooperation-in-defence-technology-4872830/

https://sputniknews.com/military/201607011042280477-india-aircraft-video/


However, should you still insist on believing that Pakistan in No.2 in Asia in the aviation field; I for one am not going to stop you.

Sorry if I hurt you in any way. First thing first sir I didn't write you Indian.

Marut took first flight on 17 June 1961 was designed by the German aircraft designer "Kurt Tank" Indian's were with him. total production 147. The air craft retire in 1985. But what after that no sale made to international buyers and even Indians dump everything, money is wasted on infrastructure. Even their HAL Tejas except few things of their own all the main components are off the shelf solutions like e.g avionics and engine. No need to mention how much time the experience Indians took to actually build the aircraft.

India started assembling Mig-21’s during the 1960’s. Pakistan started Mirage Rebuild Factory established in 1974. We did it and still using it not the case of Mig-21 and india.

Aryabhata was launched by India on 19 April 1975 use Russians help for launching. Pakistan Launch Badr-1 by SUPARCO in 16 July 1990 use Chinese help for launching. Again we did it when we feel we should do it.

The development of the Dhruv, and it was subsequently designed with assistance from Germany. Messerschmitt-Bölkow-Blohm (MBB) were contracted in July 1984 as a design consultant and collaborative partner on the programme. so Germany (again).

Kaveri started in 1986, programme failed to satisfy the necessary technical requirements or keep up with its envisaged timelines and was officially delinked from the Tejas programme in September 2008. Still it's not airworthy.

Sir all of this called "Indi-genius" not indigenous.

Resources wise you can't compare Indian and Pakistan we in Pakistan are quite capable of doing what we need to or have to. Pakistan had to follow Indian for countering purposes. In Any way it doesn't make us less capable. we have proved our self in times and time again. Pakistan didn't use it money in infrastructure building good for nothing, instead goes for off the shelf solution that was better for using reliable machines' despite investing a lot and then using unmature machines'.

We thought of JF-17 but mind you we had the experience of Manufacturing the Supper Mashaq and K-8 on hand plus Mirage rebuilding. We designed project with what we needed and developed yes with the help of Chinese, Chinese design help was there as well however, these are not dead projects they are still sale able aircrafts flying in different countries. Can you say about Tejas or Marut.

Pakistani are performing in Amy up to the mark and the same Pakistanis are in politics but extremely negative and poor performance one is performing another is not, and this is where we are lacking.

Always remember Pakistan in your every Dua like your family member.