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[ACE OF THE AIR]

How?

To solve the issue of training a duel seat aircraft is far better. As that gives the actual feel which is not possible on any other platform (SIM and other type of aircraft)

 

[IrbiS]

To solve the issue of training a duel seat aircraft is far better. As that gives the actual feel which is not possible on any other platform (SIM and other type of aircraft)

That's where dual seater TF-17 comes in

 

[araz]

To solve the issue of training a duel seat aircraft is far better. As that gives the actual feel which is not possible on any other platform (SIM and other type of aircraft)

Why the hell did they not build it right from the gitgo. It annoys me that one the one hand you are saying that we do not need a twin seater because of Sims and the the ACM comes out with a statement which is akin to an about turn. Leaves one with a feeling that there is no continuity of thought pattern.
Araz

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

Why the hell did they not build it right fr9m the gitgo. It annoys me that one the one hand you are saying that we do not need a twin seater because of Sims and the the ACM comes out with a statement which is akin to an about turn. Leaves one with a feeling that there is no continuity of thought pattern.
Araz

What was the factors involved in not doing this can not be known till PAF discloses them. On PDF the most common defence in this regard has been limitation of funds.

 

[fatman17]

Why the hell did they not build it right fr9m the gitgo. It annoys me that one the one hand you are saying that we do not need a twin seater because of Sims and the the ACM comes out with a statement which is akin to an about turn. Leaves one with a feeling that there is no continuity of thought pattern.
Araz

Twin seater is the requirement mainly of potential JFT customers who are mainly 3rd world airforces . It would be a good to have for the PAF.

 

[araz]

Twin seater is the requirement mainly of potential JFT customers who are mainly 3rd world airforces . It would be a good to have for the PAF.

Sir Fatman.
What Iam commenting on is the way the ACM has now made it look like a necessity now when previously they hav3 repeatedly said that it is not needed. If the need is for foreign vendors then that should have been the message brought forward rather than the feeling that PAF administration is making a 360 about turn on their earlier decision.
Araz

 

[IrbiS]

Sir Fatman.
What Iam commenting on is the way the ACM has now made it look like a necessity now when previously they hav3 repeatedly said that it is not needed. If the need is for foreign vendors then that should have been the message brought forward rather than the feeling that PAF administration is making a 360 about turn on their earlier decision.
Araz

Mirages and F-7s aren't gonna be around forever and the agressive step of ACM to lessen the hours required to shift to F-16 ( JFT comes later cause F-16 got a trainer ) have made LIFT utmost necessity. Yet PAF chose economical option of TF-17 ( my designation, until official ) over dedicated LIFT platform, thus accelerating it's development which will help with exports too. As it was one of the handicaps preventing exports because as fatman17 said most potential JFT operators would be smaller Air arms with less resources and training hence can't adapt PAF's approach.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

TF-17 ( my designation, until official )

The Official Designation is JF-17B.
Or are there looking for some other?

If we consider the requirement of LIFT then why not increase the numbers of JF-17B's or TF-17 then go after L-15 or T-50. The L-15 and T-50 cost almost similar to a fighter aircraft and are expensive to operate.

3rd world airforces

Has Pakistan gone to a higher category 2nd world or 1st word?

 

[IrbiS]

The Official Designation is JF-17B.
Or are there looking for some other?

If we consider the requirement of LIFT then why not increase the numbers of JF-17B's or TF-17 then go after L-15 or T-50. The L-15 and T-50 cost almost similar to a fighter aircraft and are expensive to operate.

If you read again we've been saying and ACM too exactly

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

If you read again we've been saying and ACM too exactly

What are you trying to show me?

 

[IrbiS]

What are you trying to show me?

I said that we've been saying the same thing as you suggested maybe you missed the post.


Don't know what are u assuming

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

I said that we've been saying the same thing as you suggested maybe you missed the post.


Don't know what are u assuming

May be i missed that post.

 

[fatman17]

The Official Designation is JF-17B.
Or are there looking for some other?

If we consider the requirement of LIFT then why not increase the numbers of JF-17B's or TF-17 then go after L-15 or T-50. The L-15 and T-50 cost almost similar to a fighter aircraft and are expensive to operate.



Has Pakistan gone to a higher category 2nd world or 1st word?

PAF is superior to other 3rd world air arms.

 

[fatman17]

Sir Fatman.
What Iam commenting on is the way the ACM has now made it look like a necessity now when previously they hav3 repeatedly said that it is not needed. If the need is for foreign vendors then that should have been the message brought forward rather than the feeling that PAF administration is making a 360 about turn on their earlier decision.
Araz

There is no denying the advantages of having a two seat trainer over SIMS and can accelerate the training of pilots on to the JFT but SIMS are more cost effective.

 

[MastanKhan]

Sir Fatman.
What Iam commenting on is the way the ACM has now made it look like a necessity now when previously they hav3 repeatedly said that it is not needed. If the need is for foreign vendors then that should have been the message brought forward rather than the feeling that PAF administration is making a 360 about turn on their earlier decision.
Araz

Hi,

A new CEO---a new game plan---a new vision---.

The mindset of the previous 3 was strange---. Every aircraft the JF 17 was replacing had a 2 seater aircraft. Again this setback was uncalled for on part of the air force hierarchy----.

What was the factors involved in not doing this can not be known till PAF discloses them. On PDF the most common defence in this regard has been limitation of funds.

Hi,

The true limitations have been fcuk up by the air force marshalls.