Pakistan Air Force needs to replace 190 planes by 2020

[ACE OF THE AIR]

It is mostly a political statement. Yes PAF could theoretically go for Su-35, but I dont see PAF getting in bed with the French any time soon (British/German/Italian i.e. Typhoon is more likely than Rafale...though neither are very likely). They are selling Rafale to IAF so trying to go for it would be stupid AND PAF was already thoroughly pissed off when France refused to deal with them regarding avionics for the JF-17 and then when IAF deal looked like it was falling through, again tried to offer RC400. The PAF basically showed the french the middle finger and said the updated Chinese system (KLJ-7V2) was better than the French radar.

1) SuU-35 would give PAF some advancement in 5th gen technology along with a new engine which could potentially be used on Chinese platforms in the longer run if the Chinese engine is not up to the standard. It would also give JF-17 option to increase in size and higher payload not to mention similarity with other Russian aircraft operators would also be interested if it uses a similar engine.
2) JF-17b is supposed to have a Snecma M88 engine which is powering the Rafale so one can be sure that it would be targeting those operators that are going to operate Rafales. PAF might also consider the Rafale as the French are interested to break even on the costs which still requires about 200-250 more aircraft sales to the !80 ordered by France.
3) EFT would be an ideal choice for PAF considering if PAF is interested in the TFX program. This is still to early to say what would happen in the long run. The BAe systems would love to sell the EFT to Pakistan so that the Indian's might have no issues as they have boasted the the SU-30MKI is far superior.

It is really very interesting what the decision would come out once it is finally made public.

IAF is neither smart nor they have closed any significant options for PAF. Not even Rafale. Only Tejas and T-50 (FGFA) are off limits due to IAF (thankfully). PAF is in much better position than it ever was in last two decades. It is the PAF which is the smart one here. PAF makes the best out of small budget and keeps balance with IAF. This is called being smart. Until IAF buys every single jet being produced in the world, options will remain available to Pakistan.

SU-T50 PAK- FA(Fighter Aircraft for Air Force) can be out of PAF's reach because it is being funded by Indian Collaboration but there was news that there is an other project which is going to be called the PAK-MA (Military Aircraft) the vital difference was that these two would be designed for two different roles.The role that suites PAF the PAK-MA would be the correct choice. How ever there is no news regarding this aircraft at present so one can not say much about its development.

IAF strength declined while PAF sustained its numbers and grew in capability. PAF is far ahead from what it was at the turn of century. From zero BVR aircraft in 2000 we have now some 140 of them. Please do not bring up imaginary stuff like Tejas, Rafale and FGFA. When they are with you we will talk. OK? We have enough fire power at the moment to devastate IAF plans. Hangar Queens aka Su-30 won't cut it.



F-16 is more than a match for any aircraft which IAF has at the moment. JF-17 is good to take on most of them. There is no Rafale, no FGFA, not even Tejas in IAF. There might never be except Tejas. When any of it arrives in India we will have the answer as well. There is no shortage of fund if national security is at stake. At the moment there is none. Why waste funds then?

Iran and Malaysia have no capability to build an advanced jet. Turkey is making efforts and is most advanced in this area. They lack experience and are in learning stage, however. China is improving fast. Europeans won't transfer technology but will sell. US same but with political strings. Russia no problem again.

There is a video on you tube which describe what is a match for IAF.

 

[dadeechi]

@Tank131 @Irfan Baloch @Khafee @Viper0011.

My thinking has always been that you major weapons system should be of the capability that your enemy must think of peace overtures of some kind at some stage.

That is what the basic function of a major weapons system is---to bring peace---amongst other things.

Pakistan had the opportunity of buying the Rafale after 9/11 and they had the funds as well---also the delay in placing the order of 72 F16's did not reduce the problems either---and when the earthquake came----.

And paf---out of sheer idiocy declared openly that we do not have the money anymore---we have donated it to the earthquake cause---.

That declaration was the stupidity of the highest caliber---why do you want your enemy to know you don't have the money.

Now coming to the growler part----again the JH7B is the best available aircraft for growler type capabilites.

It can carry a heavy jammers---extra fuel tanks for very long loiter time and can carry a few BVR & WVR missiles for protection---and if possible can be equipped with buddy refueller as well.

People talk about the price of the Rafale---with the right numbers---the peace overtures would be there---so you would not have problems in economy due to sabotage by the enemy.

That major weapon system is not a fighter but the nuclear weapon that both India and Pakistan now possess.

That is the reason why neither India nor Pakistan is in a hurry to replace their aging fighters.

The only war that is possible now is the proxy war.

But as India and Pakistan have now decided to bury the hatchet, proxy war itself would be a history.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

It is a shame that so many pakistanis are selling enemy's superior equipment short---and propping up their inferior equipment higher thanthe enemy's.

This type of mindset shows that the person does not want to prepare for the inevitable---just want to keep the blood warm by raising slogans---and when the time comes and their equipment does not hold up---will then blame the equipment and the enemy's larger numbers with just a shake of the head and say---' it was meant to happen' jos kismat mein tha---and then walk away..

Israelis never sell their ill equipped enemy's equipment short---but rather they prepare to fight as if the enemy is 10 times superior----.

Where have you kids failed---either at home by your parents---or at school by your teachers---amongst your friends---or by the large promises given by the pak air force??????

 

[ZedZeeshan]

Hi,

It is a shame that so many pakistanis are selling enemy's superior equipment short---and propping up their inferior equipment higher thanthe enemy's.

This type of mindset shows that the person does not want to prepare for the inevitable---just want to keep the blood warm by raising slogans---and when the time comes and their equipment does not hold up---will then blame the equipment and the enemy's larger numbers with just a shake of the head and say---' it was no happen' and then walk away..

Israelis never sell their ill equipped enemy's equipment short---but rather they prepare to fight as if the enemy is 10 times superior----.

Where have you kids failed---either at home by your parents---or at school by your teachers---amongst your friends---or by the large promises given by the pak air force??????

This kind of behavior is not just here but also in our media. you must have noticed that if any airforce guy is giving an interview the anchor is completely illiterate of the subject and no 1 confronts them technically..

 

[Zain Malik]

At present conditions Pakistan Airforce Should instantly go for Super Flanker-E...........Its out of my imagination why they are delaying this deal only some negotiations have taken place guys any one has some update on deal if Yes then kindly share in this thread.......!!!!!

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

Don't fart out of your mouth ..

PAK-FA stands for Perspektivny Aviatsionny Kompleks Frontovoy Aviatsii, meaning Prospective Airborne Complex of Frontline Aviation. Its an acronym for the T-50 5th gen project.

PAK - MA is some seriously smelly bullshit that came out of your guts. The Russians on this forum are going to split their sides open laughing at this pile of horse dung ..

Anyway carry on ..

If you do not know then do not comment.
Here is the article that state the reality...
Sukhoi T-50 (PAK FA) - 5th Generation Multi-Role Stealth Aircraft - History, Specs and Pictures - Military Aircraft

 

[Tank131]

Sc2

1) SuU-35 would give PAF some advancement in 5th gen technology along with a new engine which could potentially be used on Chinese platforms in the longer run if the Chinese engine is not up to the standard. It would also give JF-17 option to increase in size and higher payload not to mention similarity with other Russian aircraft operators would also be interested if it uses a similar engine.
2) JF-17b is supposed to have a Snecma M88 engine which is powering the Rafale so one can be sure that it would be targeting those operators that are going to operate Rafales. PAF might also consider the Rafale as the French are interested to break even on the costs which still requires about 200-250 more aircraft sales to the !80 ordered by France.
3) EFT would be an ideal choice for PAF considering if PAF is interested in the TFX program. This is still to early to say what would happen in the long run. The BAe systems would love to sell the EFT to Pakistan so that the Indian's might have no issues as they have boasted the the SU-30MKI is far superior.

Point 1) Agreed that if available, su-35 would be an excellent choice

Point 2)Any deal for M-88 is foolish. It would be massively underpowered in current setup for JF-17. EJ200 makes more sense. Also if you are considering Rafale that not a good strategy. IAF WILL OPERATE THIS and can exert pressure on french to affect spares. Additionally french have shown to be unreliable during the issue with JF-17s avionics. All this is not to mention that is is financially likely out of PAF reach.

3) Typhoon would be great but financially it would be unlikely, though the EJ200 powering the jf-17 would be more plausible.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

Sc2

Point 1) Agreed that if available, su-35 would be an excellent choice

Point 2)Any deal for M-88 is foolish. It would be massively underpowered in current setup for JF-17. EJ200 makes more sense. Also if you are considering Rafale that not a good strategy. IAF WILL OPERATE THIS and can exert pressure on french to affect spares. Additionally french have shown to be unreliable during the issue with JF-17s avionics. All this is not to mention that is is financially likely out of PAF reach.

3) Typhoon would be great but financially it would be unlikely, though the EJ200 powering the jf-17 would be more plausible.

The reason why JF-17b is powered by a French engine is because it is lighter then current engine. This weight reduction gives the WSO his place.

Here is a link that you would find intersting regarding the JF-17b with M-88-2 Engines.
Pakistan will launch a two-seater version of JF-17

If you remember an earlier post where I had mentioned PAF & PN requirements both aircraft i.e Rafale and Typhoon could be looked at and that too in serious numbers.

 

[帅的一匹]

The Su35 deal is broke, we go to J11D. Russian is not wothy trusted.

 

[Kompromat]

Russians won't be happy over a J-11 Delta sale to Pakistan.

The Su35 deal is broke, we go to J11D. Russian is not wothy trusted.

 

[banvanaxl]

If you do not know then do not comment.
Here is the article that state the reality...
Sukhoi T-50 (PAK FA) - 5th Generation Multi-Role Stealth Aircraft - History, Specs and Pictures - Military Aircraft

Where the duck does is say PAK -FA equals PAK - Fighter Aircraft or that there is a version called PAK-MA ?????


This is exactly why we need to limit the ability of people to post. Everyone can link shit .. Can you comprehend any of the shit that you are linking ?

 

[帅的一匹]

Russians won't be happy over a J-11 Delta sale to Pakistan.

India either, Pay some fees to cool Russians and get the deal done. This baby is no more Su27.

Where the duck does is say PAK -FA equals PAK - Fighter Aircraft or that there is a version called PAK-MA ?????


This is exactly why we need to limit the ability of people to post. Everyone can link shit .. Can you comprehend any of the shit that you are linking ?

PAKFA is a failed project, Russian had started to design 5th gen fighters. It's a project used to cheat Indian money.

70% of IAF fighter is coming from Russia, how come Pakistan can trust Russia fighters and trust them? As a Chinese i don't believe them, the government going for Su35 is wasting tax payer's money without blame. They now postpone the delivery time of Su35 breaching the contract, **** those Su35.

Russians are never qualified weapon suppliers, just looks how IAF suffers from MKI maintenance.

 

[Lucky Breeze]

 

[ZedZeeshan]

The Su35 deal is broke, we go to J11D. Russian is not wothy trusted.

It seems to be much better than SU35.

 

[帅的一匹]

It seems to be much better than SU35.

Almost