Pakistan Air Force needs to replace 190 planes by 2020

[Talwar e Pakistan]

No money, No plan.
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We have money and I've read multiple articles that Pakistan is interested in purchasing a heavy-weight fighter.

 

[araz]

We have money and I've read multiple articles that Pakistan is interested in purchasing a heavy-weight fighter.

IF you say so. Obviously you know the state of the Exchequer better than most of us EXpats oldies who have nothing better to do than scour the news. By the way if you listen to the latest interview of the CAS he mentions nothing other than JFT and next generation fighter and possibly F16s
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[GoldenRatio1618]

Pakistan should go for Russian cheap fighters with chinese stealth fighter plus jf17s blocks

 

[Shabi1]

China now seems to be toying in SU-35 tech. The new J-11D is certainly worth a look for 1-2 sqds, would do wonders for PN as it would be able to carry all the Chinese missiles in inventory.

No need to get into SU-35 and Russian complications if it turns out good. PAF can concentrate on further F-16s and improved JF-17 variants till J-31 arrives.

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/th...s-super-weapon-beware-the-j-11d-fighter-12777

 

[muhammadali233]

China now seems to be toying in SU-35 tech. The new J-11D is certainly worth a look for 1-2 sqds, would do wonders for PN as it would be able to carry all the Chinese missiles in inventory.

No need to get into SU-35 and Russian complications if it turns out good. PAF can concentrate on further F-16s and improved JF-17 variants till J-31 arrives.

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/th...s-super-weapon-beware-the-j-11d-fighter-12777

WE CAN'T GET J-11/16 simple as that,unfortunately china cannot sell high end clones this time.Only option is to get SU-35 or Euro Fighter both are good but very expensive around 130 million $ /aircraft.Just the aircraft the logistics,training,armaments and repair facilities are not included.
Some second hand options are also available Poland offered us SU-27 a while back we can get that upgraded,Mirage 2000,F-16's etc they are cheap but that PAF regime has changed now, it now focuses on newer and better as we have now seen with PAA aswell.

Pakistan should go for Russian cheap fighters with chinese stealth fighter plus jf17s blocks

Do you know any dealer?

 

[Arsalan]

For small Air force, or Air force will small budget, single Multi role Combat fighter plane have more advantage.
The Role based air force will have to have big budget, because then the training, logistic, maintenance, will increase manifold.

I ll tag you when we need to calm down fan boys on our side!
Thanks man!

Not saying that i will mind a heavy platform with more legs, even in smaller numbers. But cannot deny the advantages of a multi role platform.

Also in you post i came across a point you made with which i wont agree. You mentioned that it would have been better PAF was only operating J10. That is not right. Not because of J10 but for any plane, we need to maintain at least two three different platforms. A hi-lo mix, to fit in for different roles, even if they are all multi roles!!

 

[zebra7]

I ll tag you when we need to calm down fan boys on our side!
Thanks man!

I will look forward thanks

 

[Shabi1]

WE CAN'T GET J-11/16 simple as that,unfortunately china cannot sell high end clones this time.Only option is to get SU-35 or Euro Fighter both are good but very expensive around 130 million $ /aircraft.Just the aircraft the logistics,training,armaments and repair facilities are not included.
Some second hand options are also available Poland offered us SU-27 a while back we can get that upgraded,Mirage 2000,F-16's etc they are cheap but that PAF regime has changed now, it now focuses on newer and better as we have now seen with PAA aswell.


Do you know any dealer?

The reason why J-11 and J-16 were a no was because of Russian engines and components. The J-11D has a local engine and doesnt rely on Russia. Should be an interesting aircraft when China is ready to offer for export. Right now just an option to look out for.

 

[muhammadali233]

The reason why J-11 and J-16 were a no was because of Russian engines and components. The J-11D has a local engine and doesnt rely on Russia. Should be an interesting aircraft when China is ready to offer for export. Right now just an option to look out for.

J-11 and 16 cannot be exported period get over it.It is not just the engine and avionics it is the body as well.If we can get a Original thing why get the clone.

 

[Pathan khan]

Pakistan should replace through Su 35 joint production with russia

Pakistan should replace through Su 35 joint production with russia

 

[Imtiaz_Sarwar]

According to newspapers right now four squadrons of JF-17 are operational. They are not all the same. Pakistan started with block 1 and now block 2 is in production. After that block 3 and so on. Each block will add something new which is a good thing. Our survival depends on continuous improvement. There is no room for complacency. It is a very competitive world.

Pakistan should replace through Su 35 joint production with russia

Pakistan should replace through Su 35 joint production with russia

Off topic : Congratulations on your first post.
On topic : What makes you so sure Russia will share technology of Su 35 with Pakistan. We should consider ourselves lucky that they are selling us RD 93 engines for JF 17. We will have to win their trust 100% before they seriously consider such a proposal. So far it looks some years away.

 

[Pathan khan]

Sir no thing is impossible. 200 jets on card is big deal and nowadays Russia is intrusted in cpec .they have to keep good ties with Pakistan and the only path for mutual intrust is defence ties. All we need is strong foreign office

 

[Shabi1]

J-11 and 16 cannot be exported period get over it.It is not just the engine and avionics it is the body as well.If we can get a Original thing why get the clone.

Not that simple. An aircraft without munitions is worthless. With Chinese jets you have integration with all their missile systems which are already in the inventory. Hence why saying they should be looked at it IF available for export. If China can do it with J-5/Mig15, J-6/Mig-19 & J-7/Mig-21 they can do it with J-11/Su-27-35. Its not far fetched, since they've reached a point where J-11 does not need any parts from Russia.

Its a wait and see issue. Lets see what PAF decides, if they go for SU-35, they will have to buy a whole array of Russian missiles/munitions along with them. I would prefer to see the Su-35 in PAF colors as well, but the munitions thing is a sore point.

Another aspect is if PAF starts making J-11 inquiries Russia will maybe offer more concessions on the Su-35.

 

[Henry ME 95]

Biggest bang for the buck in 4.5 gen heavy weight fighters would be the SU-35. The issue is can the PAF afford it...
The PAF may want to consider waiting for 5th gens (the TFX would do well in the PAF, J-31 can also work)
Eurofighter typhoon is just too expensive for the PAF.. and doesn't give the bang for the buck proper percentage in my opinion.

 

[Signalian]

PAF uses more than 18 aircrafts or different aircrafts in one squadron(Mirage III/V) which is why aircraft numbers have swelled up. If the equation is seen from a squadron point of view then it comes out as follows:

No. 2 Sqn Minhas JF-17 MultiRole
No. 16 Sqn Panthers JF-17 OCU/Multi Role
No. 26 Sqn Black Spiders JF-17 MultiRole
Replacement NOT required

No. 5 Sqn Falcons F-16 Block 52+ MultiRole
No. 9 Sqn Griffins F-16 Block Block 15 MLU MultiRole
No. 11 Sqn Arrows F-16 Block Block 15 MLU OCU /MultiRole
No. 19 Sqn Sherdils F-16 Block Block 15 ADF Multi Role / Air Defence
Replacement NOT Required


No. 7 Sqn Bandits Mirage-III ROSE I EA, DP, EL Tactical Attack/ Air Defence
No. 25 Sqn Night Strike Eagles Mirage-V EF ROSE II Mirage-III DP Tactical Attack
No. 27 Sqn Zarrars Mirage-V EF ROSE III Tactical Attack
ROSE Upgraded will NOT be replaced soon

No. 8 Sqn Haiders Mirage-V PA2, PA3 Tactical Attack/ Air Defence
Naval support


This following makes around 7 Squadrons X 18 aircrafts = 126 aircrafts as Urgent requirement. in coming years.

No.15 Sqn Cobras Mirage-III RP, EP Mirage-V PA,DA,DR Tactical Attack
No. 22 Sqn Ghazis Mirage-III DF/DA/EL/DL OCU
Urgent Replacement Required

Total is 2 X Squadrons for Strike Role

If further F-16 are procured , this is the spot they could be filling in.
Infact FC-20 in quantity of 36-40 aircrafts could have filled in here but thats not foreseeable any more.

No.14 Sqn Tail choppers F-7 P Air Superiority
No. 17 Sqn Tigers F-7 PG
No. 18 Sqn War Hawks F-7 P OCU
No. 20 Sqn Eagles F-7 PG Air Superiority
No. 23 Sqn Talons F-7 PG Air Superiority
Urgent Replacement Required
Total is 5 X Squadrons for Air Superiority Role.

These 5 could be the first ones to be replaced by JF-17. If one JF-17 squadron is inducted every year, this could mean that whole F-7 fleet is replaced in next 5 years. and after that maybe replace the Naval Mirages with Naval JF-17.

Maybe if PAF procures J-31 after a decade or so, the ROSE Mirages may get replaced too.