Pak Navy shows interest in Umkhonto (Surface-to-air Missile System)

[Quwa]

@313baberali if you don't mind me asking, where did you find the Pak Navy interest in Umkhonto-IR-ER bit? Is it a South African newspaper?

 

[Danish saleem]

Pakistan Navy have very limited capability of SAM's.

 

[Jinn Baba]

Our Navy chief looks too old to be the head of PN command.

Not really. He only looks older because of the white hair.

Pakistan Navy have very limited capability of SAM's.

I think even that's an understatement! PN has zero surface to air capability when it comes to defending itself from an air attack.

 

[313baberali]

@313baberali if you don't mind me asking, where did you find the Pak Navy interest in Umkhonto-IR-ER bit? Is it a South African newspaper?

Dear its in South African navy web site.
http://www.navy.mil.za/
.i like to clear , article not speak about umkhonotoIRER or any other model number it only talk about Umkhonoto and surface to air missile system.

 

[Super Falcon]

Chief should speed up buying some heavy duty stuff for PN these visits won't help much if end result is back to square zero

 

[Darth Vader]

Why Armed Forces of Pakistan specially Navy and Air force Always try to ignore the fact there pase is to slow I know Pakistan faces Economy Problem but searching for those platforms which have no use in modern word is beyond words it's like just asking Pakistani sailors to go on a suicide mission where they know will just die , India has one of the biggest Navy in south Asia and a decent modern ships with a good air born assets they will just simply slaughter These old birds In use or they are just putting all the eggs in the Paf basket
Well according to current situation paf is can't protect land and sea against a tech and numeric superior force in land Sams will help but in sea who will provide that cover
I know about economy problem but and will totally say save instead of wasting money
Life of a human is more precious than anything in world be it Pakistani , Indian or any other human
But risking soldiers for no reason don't have any words to describe

 

[SvenSvensonov]

Well according to current situation paf is can't protect land and sea against a tech and numeric superior force in land Sams will help but in sea who will provide that cover

The setup of the PAF and PN at the moment parallels that of Norway. Using land-based air-defense aircraft like the F-16:

To provide air cover to assets operating close to shore, in Norway's case the Nansen class frigates:

Given these ships are designed with coastal defense in mind, and they'll be supported by land-based air cover while operating, they can get away with not using long-range SAMs like SM-2. The Nansens are outfitted with ESSM as their air-defense missile:

This is a direct parallel to Pakistan who uses its frigates for close-to-shore defense and attack against enemy shipping:

Has air cover provided by the PAF:

And who, according to the OP is looking for a class of missile similar to the ESSM for medium-range air-defense to augment land-based air dominance and interceptor aircraft:

As far as I see it, this is a valid configuration that's within Pakistan's capabilities and doctrine. It's not an expeditionary force, so a long-range fleet-defense missile like navalized S-300 is impractical, expensive and not in line with Pakistan's operational tactics and doctrine:

It makes for a good wish list piece, but isn't realistic without a doctrine to support it. Just having the system makes no difference if you can't use and support it effectively.

I'm not convinced the PAF can't support the PN at sea, because, like Norway, they are setup to do so. At this point the PN needs its own medium-range air-defense weapons like HHQ-16 (a Buk derivative) or Umkhonto.

That'll help ensure they can provide each other with cover as at the moment the PAF can cover the PN, but the PN would be hard-pressed to return the favor.

PN these visits won't help much if end result is back to square zero

I've been a member of this forum far less then the year my account's been active, but there's always been a constant that I've noticed: people equate defense officials visiting with procurement of that nation's equipment. Sometimes people just stop by to say hello.

But I do echo your sentiment. A bit more urgency would help Pakistan become a more credible force and keep a respectable pace with India.

 

[Blue Marlin]

I'm not convinced the PAF can't support the PN at sea, because, like Norway, they are setup to do so. At this point the PN needs its own medium-range air-defense weapons like HHQ-16 (a Buk derivative) or Umkhonto. That'll help ensure they can provide each other with cover as at the moment the PAF can cover the PN, but the PN would be hard-pressed to return the favor.

what you say makes sense but then i doubt that because the carrier killer missile operated by the air force of pakistan is meant for indian ships

 

[war&peace]

Our Navy chief looks too old to be the head of PN command.

Chief of any service does not to fight with arms in his hands, he has to lead through experience and intelligence so the older and more experienced chief is better than an younger and inexperienced one. As long as he is healthy physically and mentally, he can perform his duties. By the way, as per law there are age restrictions and age for retirement and I'm pretty sure he is below that age.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Quite a pleasant news unexpected

 

[BRAVO_]

Our Navy chief looks too old to be the head of PN command.

then Military chief is one year elder to him coz Raheel Sharif is 59 of age while Naval chief is 58 . age has nothing to do with competency, American military chief is also in the same age group.. so does the British military chief all of them have same age group.

but wisdom comes with time. the role which Raheel Sharif has played during past few months is excellent. sirilankan army took more than 30 years to finally defeat tamil tigers on the other hand he did it in few years against taliban...

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

If it happens it would be great

When Musharaf Sahib retired

• He left Pakistan with 8 AWACs
  
• SPADA Medium range SAM.
• Whole fleet upgraded for F16 C/D
  
• 4 F22P frigates
• 36 J10B (Cancelled deal)

For Raheel Sharif it would be great , that under his term we will

• Solve our chronic shortage SAM (Long Range)
• Helicopters
• Subs = 8 Subs
  
• APC local production
• Coastal Defence

Plus not forgetting successfully defeating Terrorism with Large operation

Certainly would be a mark left that can be measured as great contribution

 

[aliaselin]

China is slow in developing smaller VLS surface to air missile for ship. There's a reason why PN is looking for other sources.

But reality speaking, this missile system spec is not very impressive, the most can matched Barak II system. As a ship air protection system is adequate but not good enough for fleet defence.

No, we have FM-3000. It is stupid to use IR guided missile for a frigate as it is useless to intercept glided bomb.

 

[Maj.Osmani]

The most promising version of Umkhonto (missile) is block II VLS launch but question is did F22P capable to fire in VLS configurations?

 

[313baberali]

Fact is Pakistan seriously facing trouble regarding Missile defence systems ,such searches, repeatedly buying and showing interest in foreign systems ,clearly endorsed that Pak domestic Missile systems is not supporting the defence need of Forces.Our Air defence program is stall .Scientists & engineers totally busy in surface to surface systems or making nukes tiny miny .Air defence Missile program is the next serious challenge.Navy need serious help from Pakistan ordinance and missile labs.