Pak may never try another Kargil, but it could get worse

[Areesh]

A newspaper report about India losing more than 20 soldiers in an operation in Turtuk on August 29 and the Army's subsequent denial, has exposed yet another dimension to the ongoing skirmishes across the Line of Control.

Senior army officers now admit that the Pakistani men in khaki could have been occupying at least a few posts on the Indian side of the LoC for "some time now".

"Now, when we begin to take up positions very close to the LoC and look in detail at the demarcation on the ground, we find some posts under Pakistani occupation. These positions were originally on our side, but have been part of no man's land for a long time," said a senior army headquarters officer.

He admitted that there have been a few operations after Operation Vijay was formally called off, to evict Pakistanis from certain heights "which technically fall under Indian territory but have been lying vacant for a long period".

Senior officers also admitted that Pakistanis could have been occupying some of these heights for a "long period". When asked if that meant a few years, he said, "It cannot be ruled out".

The Indian army on Wednesday denied a report that Pakistan has been occupying an Indian post in Turtuk sub-sector and that an operation launched on August 29 to evict them failed, resulting in 19 being killed and six missing. The report had said the army and the government were now desperate to cover up the failure.

The army on Wednesday claimed that the "news item about an attack to recapture Durga Post is incorrect. This post has always been under our occupation."

The army also reiterated that "no Indian territory in the Turtuk sector has been lost to Pakistan. However, since positions in this area have been occupied for the first time by both sides post-Operation Vijay, aggressive patrolling is going on by both sides. This area also experiences far more shelling than other areas in the Kargil sector".

The army headquarters further said on "29/30 August, casualties suffered by the Indian Army in Sub Sector Haneefuddin were six soldiers killed and six missing. Out of the missing soldiers belonging to 3 Rajput, two have been returned by Pakistan. The remaining four personnel are believed to have been killed. Their bodies have not been recovered so far."

Army sources said the operation was repulsed and it was "a fiasco on our part", with almost the entire company being wiped out by the Pakistanis who were well entrenched. A senior official admitted that it is highly possible that the Pakistani regulars have been occupying some of the "no man's land for a long time now". He said now when the Indian army is taking up posts close to the LoC and demarcation is closely looked at, there are positions which are under the occupation of Pakistan which are on the Indian side of the LoC.

Rediff On The NeT: Army admits Pak maybe occupying Indian posts

Whole company wiped out. Good work AK regiment.

 

[Bhairava]

Thank you Tunguska for post # 156.

Good to know that not all Pakistanis are blinded by delusion and they are in touch with reality.

Politically the Kargil operation which surely a more direct military option,was used to bolster the morale of its forces, achieve political and tactical gains but instead of this one shouldn’t forget that Pakistan not only faced humiliated defeat and huge losses there under command of General Musharraf and it was first time Pakistan army had shown lesser interest even in claiming the dead bodies of poor Pakistanis soldiers who were killed due to poor attacking strategy of their officers.

What Pakistan and Poor Pakistanis earned after misadventure of Kargil War?

 

[Rafi]

Rediff On The NeT: Army admits Pak maybe occupying Indian posts

Whole company wiped out. Good work AK regiment.

Salute to our brave troops, in wiping out the indians.

 

[Areesh]

General Ziauddin **** Ex Pakistan ISI Chief on Kargil war how Pakistan betrayed the india on peace process.

Same General exposing the general pervez musharraf’s Lie

Makes sense he was pissed with Musharraf. Again personal bigotry seems to be a good reason for this interview.

 

[John Doe]

This is the respect indians have for their soldiers, we felt bad about the dogs and rats eating rotting corpses also. Looking at the pictures and letters these soldiers had, was one of the saddest things, especially letters to wives and girlfriends.

why do you write in the tone of someone who was actually there? Whats wrong with you?

There are dogs at 4000-5000 metres? Really?

About the letters, again you are reversing the facts. Here is the reality:

" Captain Imtiaz Malik of the Pakistan Army?s 165th Mortar Regiment.
Captain Imtiaz perished in the fierce battle over Point 4875 on the night of July 7. But if he knew how to fight, he perhaps also knew how to love. In his breast pocket was found a letter from his wife Samina. It was a crumpled sheet of blue and spattered with the dead captain?s blood. The post mark on the envelope showed that Samina had mailed it in Islamabad on June 14, probably the last letter she sent to him.

There were also other missives from his wife Captain Imtiaz had kept on his person through to the end ? two cards, for instance, of the kind young lovers are wont to write to each other. It would seem too indecent an invasion of a dead man?s privacy ? or a young widow?s grief ? to reveal their contents. Suffice to say that Captain Imtiaz was a man well loved by his dear ones. And perhaps he loved his dear ones as much; else, he wouldn?t have bothered strapping his wife?s letters to his heart in battle"

Of course there is nothing wrong in a soldier carrying letters, but do have even one name of an Indian soldier who was killed with letters? Did the Pak army hand over any Indian bodies? How could they, since all the death happened on the Indian side, while PA went back with no bodies, not even their own! In fact, even the death of Capt. Malik was denied by the brave generals of PA!!
Are we to believe that someone else was possessing Malik's love letters, cheque books, and recommendation letters?

Please read this story in full:

http://www.telegraphindia.com/990710/front_pa.htm#head3

If anyone from the Pakistani Denial team want to learn more from Colonel Ashfaq Hussain of the Inter Services Public Relations Directorate (ISPR), please read his book, excerpts below:
Pakistan Military Consortium :: www.PakDef.info

"the generals did not find it fit to involve the PAF and Navy chiefs, let alone the civil leadership, including the Defense Secretary Lt Gen (Retd) Iftikhar Ali Khan. It is claimed even Nawaz Sharif was kept completely in the dark and learned of the situation first through a phone call from Vajpayee. It was allegedly only this unplanned revelation which forced the generals to formally brief the government.

Meanwhile reproduction of a letter from an Indian Lt Col handed over to Pakistan along with the body of Captain Imtiaz Malik Shaheed raises goose-bumps and is a tribute to the profession of arms and the bond men in uniform share regardless of the side. "

 

[Rafi]

The commander of india operations in the conflict admits india lost the war.

 

[karan.1970]

Rediff On The NeT: Army admits Pak maybe occupying Indian posts

Whole company wiped out. Good work AK regiment.

So was it militants or AK regiment.. ?? Or is it that within Pakistani army, state and non state actors are so intermingled that its impossible to tell who is a soldier and who is a militant ??

 

[INDIC]

Rediff On The NeT: Army admits Pak maybe occupying Indian posts

Whole company wiped out. Good work AK regiment.

Was it reported in Pakistani media.

 

[Contrarian]

Rediff On The NeT: Army admits Pak maybe occupying Indian posts

Whole company wiped out. Good work AK regiment.

Sure, in war Indian soldiers died.
In the end, over 4000 Pakistani Army soldiers died and lost the war!

 

[Areesh]

Salute to our brave troops, in wiping out the indians.

No movie is going to made on this incident in bollywood.

So was it militants or AK regiment.. ?? Or is it that within Pakistani army, state and non state actors are so intermingled that its impossible to tell who is a soldier and who is a militant ??

This wiped out was done by AK regiment. Good work nah.

 

[ares]

The wounded indian soldiers cry's and moans are the most stark things of that conflict - the indians would not allow their medivac.
Because some of them were crying out for water, our Jawans wanted to take a risk and take water out, the absolute worst was when they would cry out for their mothers, it was absolutely heart breaking.

Ya rite!!
Perhaps you might want create a fiction section and post your **** nd bull stories there..or you just might back up your literary art with some unbiased sources.
Any one with half a brain and some imagination can make such outwardly claims..providing a source for them is whole another ball game!!

 

[Areesh]

Sure, in war Indian soldiers died.
In the end, over 4000 Pakistani Army soldiers died and lost the war!

No buddy. 400000 died.

Tum khush ho jao.

 

[karan.1970]

No movie is going to made on this incident in bollywood.



This wiped out was done by AK regiment. Good work nah.

You you have rejiments of militants in Pakistani army?? No wonder USA accuses your army of using terrorists as an arm of your security agencies

 

[Rafi]

We read the sad letters written to wife's and lovers - by the indian officers, suffice to say it was all rather tragic = but that is war for you. The most despicable thing was the indian soldiers bodies were allowed to decomp, that was unforgivable in my opinion.

 

[Contrarian]

The commander of india operations in the conflict admits india lost the war.

Your Prime Minister says that around 4000-5000 soldiers died and numerous ex generals and PM's have said Kargil to be the biggest mistake ever for Pakistan to the extent to even comparing it to the 'loss' of East Pakistan and yet some Pakistani's trying to think that they could never lose a war with India!

At the end of the day, Im happy if you think Pakistan won Kargil, because that means that they are liable to repeat such a fantastic performance again!

What Pakistani Army wanted:
To have the entire Kargil Dras sector with Pakistani flag flying
To show a raging domestic insurgency in Kashmir
To internationalize the Kashmir dispute

Their actual performance :
Loss of 4000+ soldiers,
International Humiliation,
International Isolation even from 'allied' country - like China!
A Military Coup in their own country,
Showing the world that 'mujahideen' are nothing but Pakistani infiltrators!
And still more importantly making the LoC a border which has international sanctity and now considered inviolable by the rest of the world as well !

In exchange for:

Hold it - 1 Peak! Which also lies on the LoC itself!

While the rest of Kargil still hoists the Tricolour!
Sure, im sure many would quite like Pakistan to repeat such a stellar performance

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/strate...gil-but-could-get-worse-11.html#ixzz21qgQuh7W