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quite possible.. A new but very plausible scenario.. Indians would feel the sucker punch then and there, for relying on Russians, who have been dilly dallying with the Aircraft carrier
 
There you have the crux of the so-called 'joint development'. :rofl:
The Russians were cash strapped and needed someone to pump in the money to continue development. That is the sum total (pun intended) of the Indian 'contribution' to this 'joint development'. The composite material knowledge of Indians is not an asset since the Russians already have this expertise.
The cash-strapped Russians will surely sell PAK-FA to PLAAF and the Chinese will transfer the tech into their J-XX.
Actually it is confirmed earlier, China had refused to partner Russia's PAK-fa programme, because it was pursuing its own J-XX programme.I dont think Chinese are capable of copying a stealth aircraft.They are mostly copying untechnological parts of the aircrafts.(they still depend of others for radar and engines )

 
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There you have the crux of the so-called 'joint development'. :rofl:

The Russians were cash strapped and needed someone to pump in the money to continue development. That is the sum total (pun intended) of the Indian 'contribution' to this 'joint development'. The composite material knowledge of Indians is not an asset since the Russians already have this expertise.

The cash-strapped Russians will surely sell PAK-FA to PLAAF and the Chinese will transfer the tech into their J-XX.

if that is what you Think please name one FLYING PROTOTYPE ...LET ALONE AN OPERATIONAL AIRCRAFT OF RUSSIAN ORIGIN USING A COMPOSITE SKIN ON THE AIRCRAFT.....IF YOU CAN PROVIDE THE DETAILS ....:blah:
 
There you have the crux of the so-called 'joint development'. :rofl:

The Russians were cash strapped and needed someone to pump in the money to continue development. That is the sum total (pun intended) of the Indian 'contribution' to this 'joint development'. The composite material knowledge of Indians is not an asset since the Russians already have this expertise.

The cash-strapped Russians will surely sell PAK-FA to PLAAF and the Chinese will transfer the tech into their J-XX.

please read abt the project it is a 50-50 partnership in both finance and r&d.

"We have government contracts for both programmes but the details must be sorted out. However, we have agreed that the financing, design and developement, and sales support will be undertaken on a 50-50 basis," he says.
AERO INDIA: Fifth-generation fighter talks inch forward
 
it should be out in public by this month around 18 august. but will be under trial for 3-4 years and hopefully in 2013-14 years india's first squadron of single seater and then 2015-2016 twin seater indian MKIsed
The first flight could be this year but there won't be an operational Pak Fa before 2015! Also India won't get a single Pak Fa (single seat version), only FGFAs the double seat version which will be designed after Pak Fa. First FGFA could arrive in 2017/18!
There you have the crux of the so-called 'joint development'. :rofl:

The Russians were cash strapped and needed someone to pump in the money to continue development. That is the sum total (pun intended) of the Indian 'contribution' to this 'joint development'. The composite material knowledge of Indians is not an asset since the Russians already have this expertise.
Of course! It was not a co-development from the start, Russia began it years before and we joint later, so the first developments in stealth, engine and radar will be Russian for sure. But should think about the difference of this development and MKI development and you will understand why it's a co-development now!
MKI was in design and all main parts developed from Russia alone. India only took the main Su 30 design and include different Russian (Bars radar, TVC, Canards, OSL 30) and western parts (avionics, EWS), to get a customized version.
This time India will not take only fully developed Russian parts, but is involved in the developments and design too!
Imo our experience in avionics and radar with some western countries will be the main share. Also HAL has experience with production of Russian engines (RD 33 and AL 31), so they should be involved in further developments. Not to forget that we already build weapons like Astra, Nag/Helenia and main electronics parts of Brahmos, so new weapons will surely have Indian techs too.
On the design India will clearly fund the whole redesign of FGFA, because Russia is not interested in double seat versions, but for exports to Brazil for example these will be important again.
At the end it should be two fighters that shares the main parts, which were jointly developed. Some more from Russia (because they started these, or are based on older Russian techs), some more from India (because of access to western techs and better electronic and IT field). The fact that both countries will be involved in funding, development and production of parts makes it a 50/50 co-development.
EF is a similar example! Four nations are involved in funding, development and production of parts and even if the main design and the engine are from UK, the other nations are involved in their developments too and include other parts of the fighter. That makes it a co-development on same shares, just like Pak Fa /FGFA development!
 
if that is what you Think please name one FLYING PROTOTYPE ...LET ALONE AN OPERATIONAL AIRCRAFT OF RUSSIAN ORIGIN USING A COMPOSITE SKIN ON THE AIRCRAFT.....IF YOU CAN PROVIDE THE DETAILS ....:blah:

Iskander SS-21 / Scarab/Tochka

According to Russian sources, the missile uses special composite materials to reduce the radar signature of the missile (or TEL?) to evade targeting radars employed by enemy surveillance sensors, UAVs and smart weapons
 
Imo our experience in avionics and radar with some western countries will be the main share.

Thanks!

This sounds similar to the China-Pakistan FC-1/JF-17 development.

Both countries chipped in 50-50 moneywise. The Chinese/Russians provided the muscle part of the aircraft, while the Pakistanis/Indians bring in experience with advanced Western brains part of the plane.

In return the Pakistanis/Indians gain more knowledge of aircraft design and development.
 
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This sounds similar to the China-Pakistan FC-1/JF-17 development.

Both countries chipped in 50-50 moneywise. The Chinese/Russians provided the muscle part of the aircraft, while the Pakistanis/Indians bring in experience with advanced Western brains part of the plane.

In return the Pakistanis/Indians gain more knowledge of aircraft design and development.

please stop comparing jf-17 and fgfa .......your above analysis is totally baseless

:cheers:
 
Relax, boss.

I am not comparing the aircraft, just the collaboration model.
The comparison you are trying to make is itself a generation behind(if you know what I mean)..what we get from this partnership regardless of how much we contribute is a "Great" learning experience for our AF'ce...lets come back to your reasoning when IAF inducts this AC and what " imbalances /balances" it creates when its inducted!!!! till then let have some :cheers:
 
Relax, boss.

I am not comparing the aircraft, just the collaboration model.

HULLO

im speaking of the collaboration model itself -do i have to specify that if ive quoted your posts ....hter is nothing even remotely common in the collaboration model EXEPT they are named as a JV

:cheers:
 
HULLO

im speaking of the collaboration model itself -do i have to specify that if ive quoted your posts ....hter is nothing even remotely common in the collaboration model EXEPT they are named as a JV

:cheers:

OK, I was being charitable but, considering that the Indian story changes every few days, I agree the collaboration model is very different.

First the Indians were contributing composite materials knowledge.
Then it was avionics experience.
Tomorrow it will be something different.

It is starting to sound more and more like the Russians have already designed the plane and the Indians are just customers with ToT. The Russians will design a customized pimped version FGFA for IAF.

Now the truth is coming out that the nuclear sub was not fully indigenous but was designed with French help.

:cheers:
 
The picture of the PAK FA looks simply stunning.

For Me PAK FA is the single most important objective of the IAF.

The concept of 5TH Generation fighters flying in IAF and owning 50% of the project is too good and coupled with the Arihant will really Help India become a true regional Super power
 
OK, I was being charitable but, considering that the Indian story changes every few days, I agree the collaboration model is very different.

First the Indians were contributing composite materials knowledge.
Then it was avionics experience.
Tomorrow it will be something different.

It is starting to sound more and more like the Russians have already designed the plane and the Indians are just customers with ToT. The Russians will design a customized pimped version FGFA for IAF.

Now the truth is coming out that the nuclear sub was not fully indigenous but was designed with French help.

:cheers:
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

nuke sub with france !!!!! no buddy we got consultation from russia .....:agree:

and we contribute both avionics as well as composite tech to fgfa.......

what did pak contribute in jf17? ........just curious :coffee:
 
The picture of the PAK FA looks simply stunning.

For Me PAK FA is the single most important objective of the IAF.

The concept of 5TH Generation fighters flying in IAF and owning 50% of the project is too good and coupled with the Arihant will really Help India become a true regional Super power

Right now the West and Russia fear China more than India.

India is just a pawn for them and they are building it up as a counterweight to China.

The question is how long will this support last? Will the West and Russia start to consider India a real competitor at some point, the same way they do China?

In any case, India is doing the right thing by taking advantage of the situation and copying as much Western/Russian tech as possible.
 
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