Pak, China threat: IAF to deploy Sukhois

[IndianArmy]

what can we say its just india ..... always has an excusse that china might attack or pakistan might attack ... but if you look your going to be the first one to attack

The Point is, India is In no position or vulnerable to have another back stab

 

[aks]

Yes its bakwaas ad we really stepped back but not bcoz we were afraid but india cares and loves it's ppl,Unlike th pak establishment and army which always considers itself looser b4 a single bullet has been fired and paniks to press the nuclear button.

India knows that if this attitude of pak persists then there will be huge huge losses on both sides,and pakistan will get only a single chance to kill india,after which i highly doubt there will be pakistan and india is on its path,tday we donot have that much arsenal,after this nuke deal who knows ,till then i will keep my fingers crossed.

india was afraid that if war happens it will not going to be a limited war it will bring mighty chinese in it too then from both sides india was going to be crush

 

[Emperor Palpatine]

Why IAF need these? They already have the capibility to finish both china and pakistan in 96hs said by indian millitory chief.

Do not troll...If you don't know what your talking about, then don't bother talking about it and make yourself look stupid..
The "96 hours" has been explained enough number of times on this forum...

 

[aimarraul]

Wrong...

Except the antennae for the radar , everything in the fighter from the Al 31F engine to the last nut and bolt everything is manufactured locally in India.

i would appreciate it if you could provide any credible link.i wouldn't mind to read russian report

 

[kashith]

Indians are pussies so to speak.They have hundreds of jets and when we get 18 news jets they are scared..If we had that kind of weapons Pakistani Flag would be up in Delhi.

For past 60 years your army generals are dreaming of capturing delhi....but the difference between India and Pakistan is only gonna grow..India protested because it feels that you guys would be emboldened to another mishap like Kargil or 65.If Indians are pussy how is East Pakistan coming along for you my friend?

 

[chinapakistan]

i would appreciate it if you could provide any credible link.i wouldn't mind to read russian report

No need to let them provide reasonable links, to talk without any base is their traditional cultrue.

 

[hal-fgfa]

india was afraid that if war happens it will not going to be a limited war it will bring mighty chinese in it too then from both sides india was going to be crush

ohh now i understand ... without china u dont wanna come to war with india ...................well its ok because u learnt from past that u alone cant do any think

 

[aimarraul]

No need to let them provide reasonable links, to talk without any base is their traditional cultrue.

i am just surprise russia transfered their national secret to india
how can india manufactured a AL-31 themselves without knowing the materials information?

 

[KS]

i am just surprise russia transfered their national secret to india
how can india manufactured a AL-31 themselves without knowing the materials information?

As always im here to oblige u...


1) http://www.hal-india.com/EngineKoraput/products.asp

2)

The Al-31FP is built in India by HAL at the Koraput facility under a deep technology transfer agreement.

Saturn AL-31 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

3)

t is clear that China is unlikely to import such quantities of engines, especially after the license for their production has been sold to India.

AL-31F /FN aircraft turbofan engine | Russian Arms, Military Technology, Analysis of Russia's Military Forces

Enuff or want more..?

No need to let them provide reasonable links, to talk without any base is their traditional cultrue.

In ur face.

 

[ice_man]

How many times India has attacked its neighbors in last 60 yrs?

71,84 are the ones that come to mind right away besides all the provocations of 2002 operation pokram or 2008 "surgical strike" drama!

but in a way india buying such WEAPONS is GOOD for us! because now we can lobby in the US that US MUST sell us weapons or the "strategic balance in south asia" will not remain like it currently is!!


as for CHINA being the real enemy of india! that is utter BS because if that is the actual indian stand then MOST of its air as well as ground assets should be along the north from ASSAM TO HIMACHAL PARDESH! but that is not the case most of india's military assets are positioned against pakistan so india & its media should stop lying.

 

[aimarraul]

As always im here to oblige u...


1) Welcome to Engine Division, Koraput of HAL

2)


Saturn AL-31 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

3)

AL-31F /FN aircraft turbofan engine | Russian Arms, Military Technology, Analysis of Russia's Military Forces

Enuff or want more..?






In ur face.

you should've made it clear that it's an assembly line......china has the assembly line of A320,but it dosen't mean we are able to manufacture A320

 

[KS]

71,84 are the ones that come to mind right away besides all the provocations of 2002 operation pokram or 2008 "surgical strike" drama!

71..?? Pre-emptive by India..?

Please go thru this...Operation Chengiz Khan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


84...It was Pakistan tht unnecesarily sent civilians for trekking to Siachen for scoring brownie points with the world to which India responded suitably.

but in a way india buying such WEAPONS is GOOD for us! because now we can lobby in the US that US MUST sell us weapons or the "strategic balance in south asia" will not remain like it currently is!!

Yeah for that the WoT must go on and the Quetta Shura must not be caught..So be careful with them.

 

[holysaturn]

i would appreciate it if you could provide any credible link.i wouldn't mind to read russian report

‘Outsourcing is a Reasonably New Area for Us’
General Manager, Aircraft Manufacturing Division, Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, Nasik, V. Balakrishnan

Can you give us an overview of the Su-30MKI manufacturing process in Nasik?

The contract for Su-30 was first signed in 1996 with Russia. Subsequently, there were talks about license production, which is when HAL came into the picture. HAL has been in dialogue with Russia since 1998. In 2000, the Inter-Government Agreement and general contract was signed. In December 2001, the bifurcation of responsibilities between the Indian and the Russian side took place, implying that both sides decided on the documents that would be given to us, which side would do how much tooling and testing and so on. HAL also decided on the minimum number of aircraft needed to be made by it to have a cost-effective production line. Various figures were discussed and till we finally agreed on an appropriate number. Consequently, in March 2002, HAL submitted its project report to the government.

What is meant by establishing the Su-30MKI production line?


Five HAL factories were nominated for the Su-30MKI production. In Nasik, we make the airframe structure and all electrical items and various assemblies made elsewhere are brought here for final integration of the aircraft.After this, flight-testing is done here before the aircraft is given to the customer. At the Koraput HAL plant, we make the AL-31FP engines for the aircraft. In Hyderabad, HAL makes the radar and radio equipment. In Lucknow, all systems are made, which includes mechanical and electrical instruments (looms), as well as pumps and oxygen systems. The Navigational and Attack Complex, Korwa, HAL makes all navigational systems, which includes optical laser systems. Hence, the Nasik factory with the strength of about 5,500 people does the design and manufacturing. In addition, there are about 30 Russian consultants. The Nasik HAL comprises three divisions: the Aircraft Manufacturing Division (AMD), the Aircraft Overhauling Division (AOD) and Aircraft Upgrades Research and Development Centre (AURDC).

What is meant by designing Su-30MKI here?

As the aircraft is the licensed-production, we have to maintain the documentation including designs, drawing and specifications. Liaison work is also important as both sides have to agree on the exact specification of parts which are being made here.

Does the raw material for Su-30MKI come from Russia?

Yes, the kits come from Russia which includes 100 per cent raw material, casing and forgings, standard parts and bought-out ready material like bearings, connectors, switches, circuit-breakers and so on. These parts, though small are not economical enough to be made here. While in the earlier Russian aircraft, we were making nuts and bolts here, in the case of Su-30MKI, the Russians insisted that everything come from there, including readymade articles for which license has not been transferred. These include undercarriage and the ejection seats. This decision is based on cost-effective analysis and time frames. But there are still nearly 40,000 parts like brackets, panels and major structural frames, spars, longerons, wings, control surfaces and fins that are made here.

Where exactly are the Russians assisting in the project?

They come in at various stages of the project. For example, they help during the testing of the fuel pumps, radars and the final flight testing. Su-30MKI has seven profiles for system testing where the Russians are involved intimately. Painting of the aircraft done at the flight hangar is another critical area. They are also there during the final assembly of the aircraft as well in the earlier stages when sub-assemblies are manufactured. In short, the Russians are there in a supervisory capacity at each stage, for transfer of technology. This is part of the license agreement and is called ‘defence of their technology processes’. This means that it is their responsibility to ensure that all the licensed items that they have transferred to us can be produced here to the required specifications.

Does the radar come directly from Russia?

No, initially N011 radar of Su-30MKI used to come from Russia, but once the license was transferred to HAL, it is now being manufactured in Hyderabad. Like the aircraft, the manufacture of the radar is also a phased process.

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Total indigenisation of Sukhoi next year: HAL

Vladimir Radyuhin

MOSCOW: The first fully indigenous Su-30MKI fighter plane will roll off Indian assembly lines in 2010, a top executive at Hindustan Aeronautics Limited said on Wednesday.

“Next year, HAL will achieve 100 per cent indigenisation of the Sukhoi aircraft — from the production of raw materials to the final plane assembly,” V. Balakrishnan, general manager, Aircraft Manufacturing Division, told The Hindu here.

A five-member HAL delegation is taking part in MAKS-2009, Russia’s international air show now under way here.

Out of the 230 Su-30MKI air superiority multirole fighters the Indian Air Force plans to induct by 2015, 140 aircraft are to be built in India. License production began in 2004, with the first planes assembled from knockdown kits supplied by Russia. The programme provided for a gradual increase in the number of parts and components produced locally.

Last year, HAL mastered the manufacture of the wing and the tail. This year, it started producing the fuselage and raw materials, Mr. Balakrishnan said. The final and most challenging phase involved the indigenous manufacture of the engine.

“We’re currently testing the locally produced engine for the Su-30MKI and are planning to launch its production in 2010.” HAL would manufacture 60 Su-30MKI fighters in the full production cycle till 2015, he said.

India also plans to sign an inter-governmental agreement (IGA) with Russia for supply of HAL-manufactured Sukhoi airframes for third countries. It is already supplying some avionics equipment for Sukhoi aircraft Russia is building for third countries.

Later this year, India and Russia would sign a design accord for a fifth generation fighter aircraft they agreed to build jointly in 2007. India would be responsible for the manufacture of composite-material parts of the airframe, avionics and software packages, Mr. Balakrishnan said.

The Russian single-seat version of the fifth generation fighter plane is expected to make its maiden flight in the coming winter. India will induct a twin-seat version.
The Hindu : National : Total indigenisation of Sukhoi next year: HAL

 

[ice_man]

71..?? Pre-emptive by India..?

Please go thru this...Operation Chengiz Khan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


84...It was Pakistan tht unnecesarily sent civilians for trekking to Siachen for scoring brownie points with the world to which India responded suitably.




Yeah for that the WoT must go on and the Quetta Shura must not be caught..So be careful with them.

oh the puss in boots india!! how mean WE pakistanis are! please spare me the BS! 71 was a civil war that india exploited because of the embarrassing stalemate of 65!! i say embarrassing because being a much larger country an only achieving a stalemate is embarrassing!

and 1984 please that is just pure BS you entered siachen unprovoked!!

 

[chinapakistan]

“We’re currently testing the locally produced engine for the Su-30MKI and are planning to launch its production in 2010.” HAL would manufacture 60 Su-30MKI fighters in the full production cycle till 2015, he said.

Still under test right? still not launched right? and now, it is 2010.